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Old 02-19-2008, 07:07 PM
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What I mean is that they don't have as many palaces and such. They have the Napali coast (which we're gonna hike then have some sneaky tiki's afterwards cuz it's a freaking goat trail and rated difficult hike!! But aaah! The beautiful views!!!) and the minihunae history <sic>, the Waimea canyon, we took the helicopter flight over that last time. We didn't hit the gardens, not enough time. We can do that this time. But we're gonna take a luau in, of course, and a Captain Andy's. And swim and play tennis.
I hoped they would have a palace or two as well. We were on Kona a year ago December and they were closing up Kamehameha's palace over at Hilo due to the earthquake that had hit. A lot of rooms had been blocked off and they were putting a lot of the furniture into storage. The furniture was GORGEOUS!
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Sounds lovely, Russophile, enjoy your stay.

To get back on topic:

Do you have any thoughts regarding the monarchy, the overthrow, the rise of the sovereignty movement, the Akaka Bill, Native Hawaiian 'aina rights, KSBE, and/or anything that specifically ties into the Royal Family of Hawai'i... their legacy and memory to and for the Kanakas of Hawai'i? Have you had a chance to read any of the books Lady Garielle and I have listed within these past two and a half pages before? If so, what are your thoughts?
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:09 PM
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I've got a book, but I haven't read it. (Sorry! Don't throw the pineapple at me!! ) Read Michner's Hawaii, and been there a few times. Have a lot of Jaycee friends over there in Jaycee chapters. The Hawai'ian Jaycees, the Chinese Jaycee's Rising Phoenix, etc.
From what I remember from the Daughters of the Missionaries, there wasn't anyone left of Kahmehameha's blood, is there any royal blood left?
I am surprised they are fighting for their rights, I thought they got precedence.
I haven't heard a lot from my friends over there. I can ask. I'll see them soon anyway. . .
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:02 PM
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I've got a book, but I haven't read it. (Sorry! Don't throw the pineapple at me!! ) Read Michner's Hawaii, and been there a few times. Have a lot of Jaycee friends over there in Jaycee chapters. The Hawai'ian Jaycees, the Chinese Jaycee's Rising Phoenix, etc.
From what I remember from the Daughters of the Missionaries, there wasn't anyone left of Kahmehameha's blood, is there any royal blood left?
I am surprised they are fighting for their rights, I thought they got precedence.
I haven't heard a lot from my friends over there. I can ask. I'll see them soon anyway. . .
May I just say that it depends on who you ask when it comes to royal blood. The Daughters of Hawaii responded with the statement that there is no one left from Kamehamehas line but if you do your research you will find that Kamehamehas "father" was not really his father. His father was his Uncle and since that is the case then there are numerous people that can claim Kamehameha as their cousin from way back when, my husband being one of them. If you are sincere in wanting to know more about the history of Hawaii may I suggest "Hawaiis Story by Hawaiis Queen" and the book "Ruling Chiefs" which offers an insight into ancient Hawaii. There is so much more to Hawaii than swaying palm trees, hula girls and beaches. Hawaii has a rich history filled with ancient stories, sacred dances and places. Take the time to study or better yet ask questions as often as possible.
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Old 02-20-2008, 07:08 PM
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Indeed. Posts #49, #51, and #67 details the list of starter books, Russophile.

LG, I may be headed your way in the next few months... so lookout. How did you fair with the wet weather a couple of weeks ago? My friends who live off Powerhouse Rd were cut off for a day and had no water for a short period of time.
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Oh I'm totally into the history thing, I just got side tracked with the Russian thing. Like I need another obsession! HA!
Molokai is where I want to go as well to see the leper colony.
Now why were the Hawaiians not so resistant to disease?
And, did Queen Emma die of a broken heart? So to speak? I can't remember. She was young, 49. I know the aborigines do that: will themselves to die.
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Oh I'm totally into the history thing, I just got side tracked with the Russian thing. Like I need another obsession! HA!
Molokai is where I want to go as well to see the leper colony.
Now why were the Hawaiians not so resistant to disease?
And, did Queen Emma die of a broken heart? So to speak? I can't remember. She was young, 49. I know the aborigines do that: will themselves to die.
You have to remember that before any westerners came around there were few ailments that they could not handle using the medicinal plants that were available in the islands but diseases like measles and diseases that were contracted by infected sailors including even a common cold were too much for them. Leprosy was brought to the islands from the Chinese that came to Hawaii to work in the sugarcane fields. Molokai still has people with Hansens disease that live in Kalaupapa. The story is quite tragic. A good book to read would be one about Father Damien who gave his life towards helping these poor people. Queen Emma was heart broken because the little prince, her son died when he was only 4 years of age supposedly by the hand of the king, his father. Princess Ka'iulani it is rumored, died of a broken heart because of the annexation of the islands to the U.S. She was the Crown Princess next in line to the throne. She was only 24 years of age. It is also said she caught a terrible cold that caused her to become very weak and therefore died. I suppose it is possible to will yourself to die, it is still done today I believe.
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Indeed. Posts #49, #51, and #67 details the list of starter books, Russophile.

LG, I may be headed your way in the next few months... so lookout. How did you fair with the wet weather a couple of weeks ago? My friends who live off Powerhouse Rd were cut off for a day and had no water for a short period of time.
G.T. I cant wait!!!! The weather was definitely wet and there were a few power outages but all in all it was o.k. Its been absolutely beautiful the last week and Im enjoying the beach as much as possible. We have to hook up when you get here girlie! Cant wait.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:11 PM
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Oh I knew that disease ravaged them as well as STD's. The women were very welcoming, indeed to the sailors! I just wondered why they were so prone to it. Why they didn't have a good immune defense. I heard that disease and STD's had taken the population down from originally when before Captain Cook arrived from something like 500, 000 in all the islands to just 100,000 in a couple decades. I had heard about Father Damien (in Michner's Hawaii).
I'll wave at you on Thursday. We're flying in, getting the rental and heading up to Pahio Resorts.
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Old 02-29-2008, 02:05 AM
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Well let me just say that Hawaiians were probably the most healthiest people around. Why? Im not sure. They ate good, they used the plants that were available to them which must have had great medicinal properties, they were never subjected to any diseases from foreigners until later, they were just all around healthy. There was no thing as alcohol or foods that werent good for them, there was no such thing as a cold even. They were in the middle of the ocean with no contact from anyone which made their immune system very strong. The foods they ate were very nutritious and full of vitamins. I think it was some of these factors that made them so healthy and when westerners came along their bodies were not able to handle the different diseases that were brought to the islands. These diseases were basically unknown and they were not able to cure them. As for Kaumualii, the King of Kauai, he was the son of King Kaeokulani who was the son of King Kekaulike who was the king of Maui. King Kaumualii ruled Kauai and his father, King Kaeokulani ruled Niihau which is the island that is off limits to anyone unless you are related or have permission to go there. There is alot of history about Kauai that you should ask about or read about if you get a chance. Have a good trip and ask questions when you can.
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Aloha LG! Waved at you last night on our way up to Princeville. (We stopped in at the Safeway to get groceries.)
Okay, so those royal lines are still alive somewhere? I thought when Kamehameha unified the islands everybody else didn't qualify as royalty anymore, or they married into the Kamehameha royal line?
We might take a Captian Andy's up the Na pali and over to Niihue. I have always wanted to visit because all the full-blooded Hawaiians are on that island, but, of course, we haven't. Are there any full-blooded royal Hawaiians on Niihue?
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I have always wanted to visit because all the full-blooded Hawaiians are on that island, but, of course, we haven't. Are there any full-blooded royal Hawaiians on Niihue?
You can wish, but it won't happen unless you take a hunting trip (which is basically restricted to a certain area of the island) or a helicopter trip over to, again a restricted part of the island. Even then you still won't see them. Essentially, you are out of luck.

Second, yes, the people of Niihau are full-blooded Hawaiians. Outsiders are not allowed on the island's main village unless you have permission from the Robinson family. Which they never ever do unless it's a dire emergency.

Most of the Niihauans who left the island live on the westside of Kaua'i and some on the eastside. Rarely, you'll see, one or two, living in Wainiha off Powerhouse Rd, or working the small taro patches near Ke'e. But mainly the north shore is filled with smelly, druggie, trustfund hippies from the Mainland, and former mental patients living in the Kalalau Valley... in other words, don't hike into the Valley alone. But you're in a tourist restricted zone, Princeville, so you're safe from the freaky deaky hippies... well not really. You're still surrounded by millionaire yoga fantatics driving up and down Ka Haku road in their Range Rovers whilst drinking carrot juice from Java Kai.
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But mainly the north shore is filled with smelly, druggie, trustfund hippies from the Mainland, and former mental patients living in the Kalalau Valley... in other words, don't hike into the Valley alone. But you're in a tourist restricted zone, Princeville, so you're safe from the freaky deaky hippies... well not really. You're still surrounded by millionaire yoga fantatics driving up and down Ka Haku road in their Range Rovers whilst drinking carrot juice from Java Kai.
OMG! Mr. Russo and I went hiking that goat trail 3 years ago when we were first here and we saw this guy sitting on the rocks just hatcheting the sand with the thing he had dreadlocks and looked stoned out of his mind! Asked us for a cigarette. (Neither of us smokes so we couldn't comply) Wow! Now I understand about that! Good thing 3 of us are going hiking tomorrow!!!
But getting back to Niihue, are there any royals on that island by chance?
What happened to Humehume's wife?
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Well as G.T. said, you cannot go to Niihau and see the people. It has been a promise that was made a long time ago when the island was sold to the Sinclair family. There was to be no westernization of the Island and no outside influence from westerners. As for decendents of HumeHume , Im sure there are plenty of family members since he married Elizabeth Davis. I believe her family comes from the same Davis that was the military adviser of King Kamehameha I. As for what ever happened to HumeHume no one really knows.
There is alot of speculation but no definite answers. He was the son of King Kaumualii and Niihau, who was a commoner so he was not considered royal in the sense that he would ever rule. As for royalty on Niihau, I believe that there are people there who do come from royal lineage whether through King Kaeokulani or one of the other chiefs from that Island. What you must understand is that no matter what, there are many people that are decendents of many chiefly lines on every Island. You could be in Safeway and walk by someone who is of royal blood and not even know it unless you were to talk to them and ask them of their lineage which most the time they wont tell you. Most "Hawaiians" or Kanaka Maoli do not speak of their family history unless it is absolutely necessary. It is still very secretive and something that is not given out lightly. By the way, I live 8 minutes away from Safeway. I hope you are enjoying your stay. If you have any questions, let me know.
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Oh you and GT are a wealth of information!!
Now, is that because of the take over by the Dole company? That they went into hiding?
We stayed up too late with Stan, who had to leave for a Jaycee event this morning so we're late in getting started on doing things. I think we're going to the lighthouse and hanalei bay today.
I also want to go back to the museum and check that out again.
We are very much enjoying our stay! Waimea canyon and Captain Andy's tomorrow and Monday Smith's luau. We'll hike the Na Pali on Tuesday.
Last time we were here, the guys on Captain Andy's pointed out Niihue and said they had a terrible problem with the rabbits, that they went rabid of sorts and they had to exterminate a lot of them. Are they still doing that?
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Is what because of the Dole take over? As for rabid rabbits infesting the Island, Im not familiar with that story. Maybe G.T. can help with that. You passed right by my house if you went to Hanalei today. Im just before you leave town.
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Is what because of the Dole take over?
Sorry, that's my ADD going again! I was wondering if the ones that have the royal blood in them went "under cover" with their bloodlines because of the Dole take over (that's what I call the take over of the Hawaiian Islands, annexation and statehood) and now they don't want to discuss it because of that.
We watched the sun set at the State Park where the Na Pali trail starts. Had a lovely glass of wine there as well, Pineapple/Passion white wine. Fun stuff! Very much enjoying my time here!
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No, I cant say that Dole had anything to do with it. I think its because after the annexation there was no need to say anything about who you were. Among the Hawaiian community its a different story. The only family that has come forward in claiming who they are is the Kawananakoa family stating they are the rightful heirs to the throne. Alot of people back them up but others know that they are not the only ones or for that matter that they are the rightful heirs since there are discrepancies in their geneology. Anyone can say anything but the proof must be there. That would be like my great great grandma saying that the king of Spain on his deathbed said that she was to be the next in line to rule but only friends in the room heard him say that. No heads of state or royal court members heard it. If you go up towards Opaeka'a Falls you can see the birthplace of King Kaumualii and further up before you reach the falls there is a huge Heiau or sacred rock wall area that you can look at. They are both on the left hand side.
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We went there last time we were here (before the heavy rains almost 3 years ago November) when the roads had washed out and caused a lot of problems in that area. But I never knew about King Kaumualii's birth place or the sacred rock.
Just finished Captain Andy's boat ride. Lovely lovely! Almost didn't get on, the concierge from our time share booked us wrong but! The Gods were favorable, got on good times for my birthday!!
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Well Happy Birthday to you! Im looking out my backyard and the water looks calm and beautiful and Im going snorkeling for a while. I dont know if you have ever seen the statue of Queen Kamakahelei who was the wife of King Kaeokulani. There is the school named after her behind Costco I think and the statue is the artists rendition of what she looked like since there are really no pictures of her that anyone knows of. She was a Kauai girl and King Kaeo was a Maui boy.
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