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Old 01-12-2013, 04:23 AM
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Sigismund II Augustus was the last king of the Jagiellon dynasty, which was actually a branch of the Gediminid dynasty that ruled neighboring Lithuania for centuries.



The last ruler of the Jagiellon dynasty was Anna Jagiellon who was elected and co ruled with her husband who was elected king, Stephen Bathory.

Side note: I came to the United States on a ship named after him.
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Old 01-12-2013, 04:25 AM
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Just a little off topic comment. I enjoy tidbits about language, and there are very few words in English the pronunciation of which changes depending on whether the first letter is upper or lower case. This thread reminded me of one: Polish vs. polish. Can you hear the difference? But, as always, there is an exception in the imperative: Polish your shoes at once young man!

Polish polishers polish Polish poles perfectly.
Polish that pole Polish pole polisher!
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:36 PM
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Hi Noble Consort Ming,

You are right... and yes, I do remember Anna Jagiellon.

She and her husband had a period of rule right after the Polish King Henry III. Yes, I know Henry doesn't sound like a Polish King's name, however he really existed! Henry was a French royal who was elected the throne of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth... at the end of Sigismund II Augustus' rule.

You are correct that Anna was born as a Jagiellon, since she was Sigismund II Agustus' sister.


If my memory serves me correct, however, she was considered as elected to the monarchy like her husband (and so was not what we would commonly call a "dynastic" ruler). She was, however, from the same family as the last dynasty, so maybe we can both be correct in a way... since perhaps it just depends how we look at it.

Anna Jagiellon ruled as queen along with her husband... King Stefan Bathory.

I think the Union of Lublin -- which transitioned Poland to elected monarchs -- had already taken place when she became queen (because of her brother Sigismund passing away without any legal heirs).

So perhaps we are both right. Even though Sigismund II Agustus was the last Jagiellon who technically inherited the throne... one more Jagiellon did sit on the Polish throne as a monarch. It seems she was the country's logical choice to be one of the first elected monarchs, because of the link she provided to the previous dynasty... while at the same time being elected.

She ended up having an interesting role in Polish history, as a sort of "transitional" monarch.


Anyway... I'm probably getting us off topic. Any ideas anyone as to which past dynasties Poland might theoretically look to... if ever re-establishing a type of monarchy? The Jagiellons (who ruled at some of Poland's greatest centuries), or later elected monarchs?

With all the different elected monarchs that came later... it seems like there might be a greater number of heirs to consider if Poland took that approach. Then again, as they were non-elected monarchs... the Jagiellons would not be in perfect step with the spirit of Poland's Republic government of today.
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Does anyone know the titles of some good books on Poland. I havr been researching my husbands family and I have a lot to learn.
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Despite the fact that my grandfather's family comes from the Polish gentry I have no desire to see Poland a monarchy again. I do think that our best and favorite kings comes from the period of the elected monarchy(I'm thinking Bathory and Sobieski) so electing the person people think could do the best job seems like it could get us a better ruler then just throwing a person up on the throne because of their family tree. Then again we had some crappy elected kings too so I really have no idea. If some people had their way I think they would love to see a Walewski(descendant of Napoleon) on the throne since Poland adores Napoleon. We sing about him in our national anthem(it was a march/song Polish soldiers in his army sang while on the Italian campaign). Even I have a giant portrait of him in my house. We might be the only country that doesn't see him as a tyrant and dictator.


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Does anyone know the titles of some good books on Poland. I havr been researching my husbands family and I have a lot to learn.
What type of information are you looking for exactly? It might give me a better idea of what to recommend.
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Actually, ironically the dejure Kings of Poland and Bohemia would be the Hohenzollerns who united Germany if we base that on the descendants of Luxembourgs and Casimir III so that means Poland would be still in union with Bohemia if the Casimir III succession was followed so both the Habsburgs and Jagiellonians could be considered usurpers.
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Jakub Greloff married to Princess Anna Jadwiga Radziwill on 6 April 2013 in Warsaw, Poland.

The bride, 27, is the second daughter and third of the eight children of Prince Konstanty Radziwill (himself the eldest son of the late Prince Albert Radziwill and of his wife née Princess Anna Czartoryska) and of his wife, née Joanna Dabrowska.

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Hi all.

A recent feature on an Australian 'news' program (I call it that lightly) claimed that there was a family living here pretending to be descendants of Polish royalty. A quick google search identified a few pages, and a link to this forum. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any definitive proof. From what I can gather, the guy claims some kind of relationship, albeit distant to some family of note in Poland.

Unfortunately I don't read Polish, so that limits my ability to research the matter.

This is one of the pages with a history of the families
The Princely House of Kasperski-Labedz

Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 06-14-2013, 04:45 AM
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Actually, ironically the dejure Kings of Poland and Bohemia would be the Hohenzollerns who united Germany if we base that on the descendants of Luxembourgs and Casimir III so that means Poland would be still in union with Bohemia if the Casimir III succession was followed so both the Habsburgs and Jagiellonians could be considered usurpers.

In Poland we had 2 kings from Saxe dynasty so theoretically we could "take" some Saxe prince....
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Hi all.

A recent feature on an Australian 'news' program (I call it that lightly) claimed that there was a family living here pretending to be descendants of Polish royalty. A quick google search identified a few pages, and a link to this forum. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any definitive proof. From what I can gather, the guy claims some kind of relationship, albeit distant to some family of note in Poland.

Unfortunately I don't read Polish, so that limits my ability to research the matter.

This is one of the pages with a history of the families
The Princely House of Kasperski-Labedz

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bobby
The particular family in the link claims to be part of the noble Kasperski family. Poland had/has non-royal princes. Their connection seems dubious. And they should only be using the surname Kasperski-Łabędź as Łabędź is the clan and coat of arms to which the family belongs and shares with many other noble families and not part of the surname written in this manner.

On the home page they discuss their history and refer to the old Polish noble families of princely status as royal which they were not. I'm from Poland and my grandfather's family is from the gentry(lower nobility) so I know a little about what I'm talking about.
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The Australian television show to which you refer is "Today Tonight" and the segment was called "Phoney Royals". No princely title was ever conferred on the Kasperski family and, as shown in the programme, the two brothers Andrew / Andrzej and Marek / Mark have no right to the title. The show also revealed that one of the brothers had also worn Australian state medals and decorations (including the Order of Australia and a bravery medal) to which he was not entitled. The "Phoney Royals" segment may be viewed on YouTube:
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Didn't Infanta Isabel Alfonsa of Spain marry the Polish Count Jan Kanty Zamoyski,does anyone know much on his family background?
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His family is an old aristocratic family from Poland, which dates back to the 15th century.
Count Jan Kanty Zamoyski was the seventh and youngest child of Count Andrzej Zamoyski (1852-1927) and of his wife, née Princess Maria Carolina of Bourbon-Two Sicilies (1856-1941). Maria Carolina was a daughter of Prince Francesco di Paola, Count of Trapani, and of his wife, née Archduchess Isabella of Austria, Princess of Tuscany.
Two of Andrzej and Maria Carolina children married to Bourbon relatives; more precisely, Countess Carolina Zamoyska married to her maternal first cousin Prince Ranieri of Bourbon-Two Sicilies in 1923, and they were the grandparents of the current Duke of Castro. Count Jan Kanty married to his first cousin once removed Infanta Isabel of Spain, Princess of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, who also was a niece of the above mentioned Prince Ranieri.
Of their other five siblings, one died unmarried in his twenties, another brother married to a (German) Countess, by whom he had five children, and the other three sisters married to Polish noblemen.
Count Andrzey was the owner of the Castle of Podzamcze, where in 1926 his grandson Prince Ferdinando of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, Duke of Castro, was born.
Another branch of the Zamoyski family, more precisely the descendants of Andrzey's younger brother Count Adam, owns the magnificien Palace of Kozlowka, which is opened to the public as a museum.

Here is a genealogy of the Zamoyski family:
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Dominik Rainer Radziwiłł (1911-1976) and Son

Dominik Rainer Radziwiłł (1911-1976) married Princess Eugenie of Greece and Denmark (1910 - 1989) whose mother was a Bonaparte. They had two children together. One was Princess Tatiana Maria Renata Eugenia Elisabeth Margarete Radziwiłł (b. 28 August 1939) who married Jean Henri Fruchaud. The other was Prince Jerzy (George) Andreas Dominicus Heironymus Peter Leon Radziwill (4 November 1942 – 27 August 2001). There are pics and info about Tatiana on line, but nothing about Jerzy (George.) I'm curious about him. If anyone has pics and info, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
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Dominik Rainer Radziwiłł (1911-1976) married Princess Eugenie of Greece and Denmark (1910 - 1989) whose mother was a Bonaparte. They had two children together. One was Princess Tatiana Maria Renata Eugenia Elisabeth Margarete Radziwiłł (b. 28 August 1939) who married Jean Henri Fruchaud. The other was Prince Jerzy (George) Andreas Dominicus Heironymus Peter Leon Radziwill (4 November 1942 – 27 August 2001). There are pics and info about Tatiana on line, but nothing about Jerzy (George.) I'm curious about him. If anyone has pics and info, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
If you search around the Alexander Palace forum there are quite a few pictures of the children. Some pictures become confusing because she also had 3 children with her second husband and prince Dominik had 3 with his second wife so whenever I see a picture of one of them with any children I can't be sure which set of children I'm looking at.

This is definitely Jerzy and Tatiana(scroll down to about the middle of the page).

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I don't know anything about Jerzy's life though.
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Thanks, Ming. That's a great shot of Dom and Eugenie, too. Strange how there's so little info about Jerzy available, no?
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Hello, My name is Gerard Grefkowicz and I see on wikipedia that under Gryf Coat of Arms , my last name is in the list of noble families. That is as far as I know. If anone has more information about Grefkowicz please let me know.

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What do you know about the new visit of Prince Inigo to Lithuania accompagnied this time by Prince Eberhard?
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Hello Cory, all I know of the visit is what I have read online.
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