Monarchies of the Americas

[Royalist0007]

Here's a section that will interest those who have an interest in British Commonwealth native monarchies & their royal families.Does anyone know how many Native Canadian monarchies there are? Is the line of succession hereditary,like the Maoris,or are the Native Canadians' monarchs elected,like the Pope of Rome?

Aidan.

[Oppie]

There are none.

Each reserve (or band) elects a chief. They in turn elect a leader of the Assembly of First Nations which is more a political/social activist group then any type of monarchy system. When the Queen makes an official visit to Canada or there is a large event (such as the recent AIDS conference) the Head of the Assembly of First Nations will also be there along with the chief of traditional land holders of the area. There are varouis other elected offices such as provinicial orgainziations, local orgainziations assembly of traditional tribes (Six Nations and the Oji-Cree for example)


No offense but because of the lack of aborginal monarchy system in Canada I think this thread should get closed. There is nothing to talk about and I have a feeling it could disintergate really quickly. Maybe starting a thread on Native Canadians in the Members Only forum if you want more information about the Social/Poltical organizations of the First Nations of Canada or try en.wikipedia.com and search around for more information if anyone is interested.

[Royalist0007]

Oppie,New Zealand is not the only British Commonwealth country that has native monarchies within its borders.I didn't know that New Zealand was the only Dominion to have native monarchies.I always thought Canada has them as well,because of the different Native Canadian nations such as the Inuit,the Micmac,the Haida,& the Metis (who are mixed-race people like the Griquas of South Africa),among others.

Aidan.

[Oppie]

Yes I went back and edited my post when I realized I wasn't 100% sure about that fact. My understanding that New Zealand native monarchy was a unique idea that they used to deal with the colonization. In Canada tribes were dealt with on a case by case basis so there was no formal organization until much later.

If you want to look at native monarchies I suggest you reserach into the former Hawaii monarchy. There may even be a thread on it in one of the other forums.

[Royalist0007]

Oppie,Hawaii was never part of the British Empire,but it does have a very interesting royal history,nonetheless.

Aidan.

[Prince of Chota]

I've decided that a thread for the indigenous (Native American) monarchies of North and South America is necessary. Desired posts would include information and thoughts on:

Aztec and Mayan Royalty,

Inca Royalty,

Mosquito Royalty,

Caribbean Monarchies,

North American Indian Monarchies.

I realise that many people are ignorant as to the existence of such systems, and the fact that there are in many (and most) cases living descendents to this day (the Aztec Imperial house, for example, became the Dukes of Moctezuma de Tultengo in Spain).

Please attempt to keep popular myth / fiction out of this thread.

[Prince of Chota]

I'll start with this:

In 1730, Moytoy of Tellico (Moytoy II) was created "Emperor of the Cherokees" by the British envoy Sir Alexander Cumming. This united the Overhill Cherokee with the Middle Towns and Lower Towns. Moytoy was the son of Amatoya Moytoy of Chota (Moytoy I, born ca. 1660) and his wife, Quatsy of Tellico (children lived with their mother's family). Moytoy II was succeeded in 1760 by his brother, Old Hop, who ruled for one year. In 1761, the title of "Emperor" was claimed by Moytoy II's nephew (Old Hop's son), but the European title alone held no authority. Control of the nation passed to Attacullaculla, who was a grandson of Moytoy I (of Chota), and thus styled "Prince of Chota-Tenase" by the British. The descendents of Amatoya Moytoy ruled Chota ca. 1700-1780 and the Cherokee Nation 1730-ca. 1782. Their power declined when the capital at Chota-Tanasi was destroyed by the Continental (American) Army in 1780. Descendents include Major Ridge, Stand Watie, Elias Boudinot, and Nimrod Jarrett Smith (all prominent leaders of the 19th century.

Another example of North American Native monarchy (whether or not it is recognised as such) is Uncas, who founded the Mohegan (Mohican is an incorrect Dutch spelling) tribe in the first half of the seventeenth century due to a dynastic dispute with his father-in-law. There are many descendents living today, the twelfth generation from Uncas.

(I should mention that I have borrowed my "name" from Attacullaculla)

It should also be noted that the Cherokee Nation officially became a democratic republic in 1827 (although it had been such unofficially since the turn of the nineteenth century). An American-style system of government replaced the traditional one which was a mixture of monarchy and democracy (and actually rather similar to the HRE in format).

[Prince of Chota]

Hawai'i was once VERY strongly aligned with the British (esp. Queen Emma of Hawai'i and Queen Victoria), but it was never a part of the actual empire. However, I seem to remember that the country was taken over by some European country in the 1830s...I'll have to go digging around...anyway, it wasn't for long enough to have an effect on the people or the government. The Hawaiian-British alliance ended with the election of King David Kalakaua, who was pro-American.

[Warren]

I've merged these two threads - Canadian and Amerindian - as there's probably not enough subject matter to sustain separate threads in the long term.

A reminder that The Royal Family of Hawaii has a dedicated thread.

[Prince of Chota]

The Moundbuilder (or Mississippian) culture migrated from Mexico, where they were heavily under the influence of Teotihuacan, and flourished in the Southeast ca. 950-1450. They were ruled by the hereditary priesthood (called Ani Kutani in Cherokee), which was violently overthrown and massacred sometime between 1250 and 1450. Since then a more egalitarian form of government has been favoured among the native people of this area.

By the way, Warren, thank you for merging the two threads.

[marian]

Many monarches have lived in exile in méxico. The deceased sha of Iran and his family they lived in Cuernavaca, his sisters belonged clientas to my uncles, who have a shop where they sell electronic devices and my aunt was recording the novels. Carol of Romania and Elena lived also here. In cuernavaca there died murdered the ex-son-in-law of Maria Jose of Italy, who he was the husband of the princess Beatriz. There were the dukes of Windsor of visit in the 40, the king Harald of Norway partic'pó in the Olympian Mexican games in 1968 as Ana of England. Here there lives Azalea, granddaughter of the útimo king of Italy. It seems to me that there married a Mexican businessman owner of the Mundet (refreshments) and they have children.
Besides, Mexico possesses" royal inheritors " family Iturbide lives in Australia, the inheritor is Maximiliano de Habsurgo, whose ascendancies were adopted by the emperor Maximiliano, since he did not have children with Carlota. Besides, the family Moctezuma Barragán is descendants of the last Aztec emperor, who also has descendants in Spain: the counts of Miravalle. It is a long history. Carlos of England, whom I greeted personalment
He has come often as his father. Naruhito of Japan, the kings of Sweden, the king of Morocco have done visits of State as Guillermo of Holland and the princes of Asturias with the kings. There are members of other royalties who come from vacations to Acapulco or Cancún.

[HRH Kimetha]

Why do you suppose many of the exiled and non-serving monarchies come to Mexico? Does the Mexican government grant special rights and protection to them?

[marian]

theydonot protect them, even the government does not want to pay 90000 Euros to them a year for their subsistence for descendants of the last Aztec emperor, and they are Spanish descendants, the counts of Miravalle and Mexicans the family Moctezuma Barragan, which now are political.

It is said that the real objects and properties of Carlota and Maximiliano is in power of politicians, and they are not those of the castle. If there are brought of Vienna the Aztec sunflower called Moctezuma's plume and other jewels, the same thing would happen the same I think.
I am studing this because I am Journalist and I have 23 years of studies. I read much books about this. And I know for example, that Felix and his older brother were work in Monterrey. Here is the photo of the royal crown.
http://www.tenochtitlan.com/img_5r3j...-1024-0768.jpg

[principessa]

Does anyone have the webadress of the Imperial Family of Mexico?

[Warren]

Iturbide Imperial Family of Mexico website: casa imperial de Mexico

[Jorge Isaac]

"Interest in the Mexican Monarchy has enjoyed something of a renaissance and resurgence in the last few years and there are now several sites dedicated to the history of the monarchy in Mexico and the house of Iturbide."

By clicking HERE you may find some useful information.

Kindest regards.

[Prince of Chota]

I know there is a separate forum, but let us not forget to mention the fairly successful monarchy in Brazil from 182(3)-1889. And that Rio de Janeiro served as the capital of the Portuguese Empire for many years.

Also, there is the less successful and even dubious monarchy of Araucania and Patagonia, which is a pretty interesting subject. I won't give my opinions, but for those interested in South America, it is a very fun subject to read about.

I am trying to devise a way to handle the subject of monarchy in North America in an overview. (i.e. the First Nations and Native American people). I'll see what I can sum up and explain easily, because it's a pretty complicated subject (there are 500 mediatised nations in the USA, alone).

[marian]

I KNOW THAT MY COUNTRY, MEXICO, HAS TWO ROYALS HOUSES. ITURBIDE's AGUSTIN HAS DESCENT, ONE OF HIS GRANDSON WAS ADOPTED BY MAXIMILIANO AND CARLOTA. And, THE CURRENT INHERITOR, SEEMS TO ME LIVES IN THE EXILE.
I PUT THE PAGEOF THE IMPERIAL PAGE. And ALSO THERE ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE EMPEROR MOCTEZUMA, THE FAMILY MOCTEZUMA BARRAGAN, WHICH ARE POLITICIANS.

casa imperial de Mexico

ALSO I CAN SAY TO YOU THAT, MOCTEZUMA, HAS SPANISH DESCENDANTS THAT, IT SEEMS TO ME, THEY ARE THE COUNTS DE MIRAVALLE, I HAVE UNDERSTOOD.

ESTEBAN MOCTEZUMA IS A PRESIDENT OF THE FOUNDATION OF TV AZTECA, BLANCA IS A HISTORIAN AND PABLO MOCTEZUMA WAS AMBASSADOR OF MEXICO IN THE VATICAN

THE PAGE OF THE MAXIMILIANO IN ENGLISH: casa imperial de Mexico

[mary1103]

Here a picture of Maximilian and his wife

[Ellezabetta]

hey, i like the idea of american tribes with monarchies. i couldn't think of any, so if they come with some - im a cheerleader too :)