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Old 06-06-2011, 09:55 PM
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The King should abdicate. In a monarchy, since the monarch isn't elected, the King needs to be very very responsive to the public will, and since the monarch's job is to unite the country, a monarch with a tainted image can't do that.

As a Swedish-American, I don't want my homeland to be the next Greece or Italy--countries that became republics because their monarchs were awful.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:48 AM
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All of these allegations are just that -- allegations. There is NO proof, not one shred of evidence to support the media claims. And, being media, they should be able to provide it before they call for the king's abdication. Where are the witnesses to the strip club visits? Where are the pictures? The audio tapes? The affidavits? Anything!! No proof.

The king is not a very likeable man, awkward, arrogant, aloof. And I am sure he has made mistakes in life ... who hasn't, royal or commoner? But he has been a good and conscientious king, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt -- until there is PROOF. If and when this happens, then the people of Sweden, not the republican media should decide if they want to keep him or not.
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Old 06-07-2011, 12:56 AM
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According to Expressen, the writers of the book "The reluctant monarch" have audio files from interviews of the club owner and a VIP-hostess from Atlanta Gold Cup (strip club). Roy Ciccola says that the secret service men came 30 seconds before the king. Heather Rellinger says that she doesnt understand why the king denies being there - she served for the king at the club.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:22 AM
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"According to Expressen",hmm? Still not good enough for proof.

Well -- then it's simple. Let's see them and hear them. Publish the audio tapes. Interview the hostess on television.
As Cuba Gooding Jr. said "Show me the money!"
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:56 AM
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The media obviously want to drag this out with the publication of the gangster's book and so forth. They claim that the photos will be released then. We will find out how much substance the accusations have when that book is published. I don't quite know what to believe at the moment.
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Old 06-07-2011, 01:28 PM
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The King should abdicate. In a monarchy, since the monarch isn't elected, the King needs to be very very responsive to the public will, and since the monarch's job is to unite the country, a monarch with a tainted image can't do that.

As a Swedish-American, I don't want my homeland to be the next Greece or Italy--countries that became republics because their monarchs were awful.
The King will not abdicate on the basis of baseless allegations. What has happened is that the Swedish newspapers started with a medial style you previously could only be found in other countries. The King is not accused of anything criminal. No one has yet been able to prove any of it had been alleged and as long as both government and opposition expresses confidence in His Majesty, this is a "non issue".
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:30 PM
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Expressen saying its a big story around the world, from what i asked people it isnt.
It just made our newspapers today, considering Bratislava is one of those places where he allegedly visited strip club it took way to long. Hardly a big story around the world.

What I find sad in this whole thing is that media are claiming that the King did have contacts with mafia. But the same media do not hasitate to contact someone close to mafia to make these allegations. I don't think the TV4 reporter has seen the pictures for free.
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Old 06-07-2011, 02:40 PM
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The mess around the king is a big, big news here in Finland. It has been at TVs main news and also in "serious" newspapers, not just in evening papers.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:24 PM
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The story actually showed up on my Yahoo home page. Not necessarily "big news," and I haven't seen it in multiple places, but it's a pretty big deal if you consider that non-British royals hardly ever appear in any kind of American news at all.
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Old 06-07-2011, 07:49 PM
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The mess around the king is a big, big news here in Finland. It has been at TVs main news and also in "serious" newspapers, not just in evening papers.

It is not strange if it is reported in Finland because we are neighbors and the Swedish royal family is highly appreciated in Finland. Its not the same as it is written all over the world.
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Old 06-07-2011, 08:38 PM
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:36 PM
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The King will not abdicate on the basis of baseless allegations. What has happened is that the Swedish newspapers started with a medial style you previously could only be found in other countries. The King is not accused of anything criminal. No one has yet been able to prove any of it had been alleged and as long as both government and opposition expresses confidence in His Majesty, this is a "non issue".
It does not matter whether he has done anything criminal.

If a King could not win an election or does not have the support of the people, he should not be in office.

Queen Elizabeth II and plenty of other monarchs have very high approval ratings. I saw in this thread that the King has the support of only 44% of Swedes.

The King could not win an election with that, and that shows that he is not popular. In a monarchy, kings and queens absolutely have to follow the wishes of the people, even if they are not elected. Otherwise the monarchy is not democratic.

One of the main attractions for me of a monarchy is that the monarch unites people (rather than dividing them, as Presidents in the US do)-- and a monarch who cannot unite people should not be a monarch.

For the good of the monarchy, he should go. I don't want my homeland to be like Greece or Italy, who became republics just because of 1 bad monarch.
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Old 06-08-2011, 02:28 PM
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It does not matter whether he has done anything criminal.

If a King could not win an election or does not have the support of the people, he should not be in office.

Queen Elizabeth II and plenty of other monarchs have very high approval ratings. I saw in this thread that the King has the support of only 44% of Swedes.

The King could not win an election with that, and that shows that he is not popular. In a monarchy, kings and queens absolutely have to follow the wishes of the people, even if they are not elected. Otherwise the monarchy is not democratic.

One of the main attractions for me of a monarchy is that the monarch unites people (rather than dividing them, as Presidents in the US do)-- and a monarch who cannot unite people should not be a monarch.

For the good of the monarchy, he should go. I don't want my homeland to be like Greece or Italy, who became republics just because of 1 bad monarch.
In the latest survey carried out regarding support for the monarchy represented 72 percent said they wanted to keep the royal family, 20 percent wanted to abolish it and 8 percent did not know. Despite this, we have seen a media drive against the royal family as never before seen. The question is not interesting to discuss when no political party runs it. The King has the support of both government and opposition. Could it happen one day deciding investigate a different constitution, so consider political scientists that it takes 15 years, after the decision, before we can amend the Constitution.

The bit with better memory of history remember that Queen Elizabeth was below 50 percent in relation to Diana's tragic death.

Who are you that can judge someone without that party being unheard? Let us do away with double standards in other countries where it is enough with a canard that someone will get hurt. It is so incredibly narrow-minded and ignorant of how a democratic monarchy works. Surely Royal interested having other issues to worry about right now.

For "Al Bina": The gossip in the in the Republic of Kazakhstan, would have very little impact for the King in Sweden ...
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Old 06-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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Karisma you upbraid others for having a "sharp tongue" but you do not apply the same standards to yourself in your replies...either that or something is being lost in translation.

"Who are you to judge" is not exactly the polite way to refute someone else's posts.

Stating an opinion that contrasts markedly with your own is NOT being judgemental.
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:23 PM
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In the latest survey carried out regarding support for the monarchy represented 72 percent said they wanted to keep the royal family, 20 percent wanted to abolish it and 8 percent did not know.
I agree with you. Support for the monarchy as a whole is not bad, but support for the King as an individual is much lower. He should go, before he damages the monarchy as an institution. There have been too many countries where citizens have basically said, "since we can't elect our King, since the current King is terrible, we need just to get rid of the monarchy and have an elected President."

I wouldn't want that to happen. Sorry, I don't follow your next-to-last paragraph ("who are you to judge..."). The King has been heard, in that interview and elsewhere.

(Please, let's not resort to name-calling. I've lived in monarchies, am devoted to history and was even named for a prior Swedish king.)
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:38 AM
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For "Al Bina": The gossip in the in the Republic of Kazakhstan, would have very little impact for the King in Sweden ...
what a narrow-minded comment...

by the way, the link Al_bina provided is from american origin ... or maybe that isnt of any impact as well?

How about sticking to a swedish posters/swedish sources forum only then.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:43 AM
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So as I understand it, according to some here and in the Swedish media, CG should abdicate because he may/may not have been in a strip club where two female performers may/may not have been interacting sexually and which may/may not have been owned by a mobster/mafioso...also because there are rumored photographs of his patronage and (this is the only proven incident) his friend attempted to contact this mobster to purchase said pics if they do exist. The other thing fueling the discussion seems to be the ill-advised interview (I agree it was foolish for CG to do so) and the king's awkward responses. So far, every time I have seen footage of CG speaking, even when scripted, it seems halted, awkward and includes uh's, um's, and oh's...a trait that I have seen many times with him and with other Swedish speakers. Both Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg and Goran Alm exhibit this type of speech pattern.

So I assume with these as a criteria, anyone calling for the abdication of CG would also support the following:

Removal of Fred and Mary from succession because Fred cheated on his girlfriend to be with Mary, Fred has flirted and possibly more with several women since his marriage (at least two instances have provided photographic proof - most recently the blonde he was with before the christening), Mary is friends with/had dinner with known criminals (photographic proof exists).

Removal of POW from succession because he cheated on his wife during his marriage, divorced, has an awkward manner of speaking, and there are his statements regarding his desire to be Camilla's tampon (actual audio tape proof exists).

Removal of William from succession because he technically stole a government helicopter to go visit his girlfriend at the time at her family's home (no proof needed - William admitted it).

Removal of Harry from succession because he used drugs and dressed like a Nazi (admission from Harry and photographic evidence).

Removal of Andrew from succession because he is best buds with a known and convicted pedophile (photo of Andrew with his friend's underage "masseuse" has been published).

Removal of Beatrice from succession for many reasons but most prominently that hat.

Removal of Eugenie from succession for the scandalous vacation romp with her friends which had lesbian overtones (photographic evidence exists).

Leaving Edward as the next King of England.

Of course all of these things are stretching the limits and absurd, but they have more "proof" that what has been shown thus far. I'm sure any of these examples may have been embarassing for the British public (the Danes seem oblivious to such things in regards to their RF) but none of these scenarios has even been suggested.
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Rascal, that was great!!!! Still lying down and laughing!

My only comment: you forgot many other Royal Families, so the list could be extended to about 100 additional removal "arguments"
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Oh Rascal that was so much fun...and I love to have a good belly laugh first thing in the morning!

Please come up with more reasons and include the other Royal Families...just like Bine221...I can assure you the material is THERE!
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Old 06-09-2011, 11:22 AM
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I think its a little early to call for the abdication of the King, unless concrete proof has come about (and released) that he has in fact committed a crime or down irreparable damage to the Swedish monarchy. Even that is a big IF. Its not uncommon for governments whether they are democratic or consitutional monarchies to have to deal with scandals. History has shown that they can (and have) bounced back. Its how you handle it.

That being said, this is a topic that can and will be discussed as long as its done in a civil, courteous and respectful manner. That includes listening (and not belitting) those who disagree with you.
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