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Old 07-03-2016, 08:11 AM
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Would like to add that Affiars aren't always sexual - emotional ones can do just as much harm as they are still a betrayal of trust. Also that the old bugbear of the midlife crisis on JCs partwas also a likely culprit, at least at the beginning - later it was just simply immature playboyism encouraged by his cronies, and enabled by a complacent press (he would have not survived 5 min in the UK).
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Old 07-03-2016, 01:27 PM
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If it was a love match, I always had the impression that if so, it was from Sofia's end. Franco wanted an A class royal bride for JC and Queen Frederica was keen to make her daughter a Queen of whatever country. So from that perspective, it was a perfect match. But IMO this is the perspective especially JC stuck to and he expected from Sofia to function and deal with the difficult situation in Spain.
They continued to have children until they got the required boy, Felipe, and IMO it went downhill from there. It always takes 2 to tango, I guess having Irene of Greece and Frederica around until her death, and not to mention the greek family, Constantin etc, probably wasn't easy for JC. Sofia is no victim for me, she is from a generation where a marriage like hers was normal and maybe only people on forums think that she is unhappy. Sofia has a life where she can do what she wants, that is the price that JC had to pay to keep her walking the line.
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Franco wasn't happy with Juan Carlos's choice. He hated that she wasn't catholic didn't care that she was a royal. The Count of Barcelona and Ena would have allowed nothing else than a royal, someone from a reigning family was the cherry on top. He couldn't have married a non-royal and he knew it. Franco didn't know he was even courting Sofia until the announcement and he was very unhappy at being sidelined and ignored.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:05 PM
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Sofia is no victim for me, she is from a generation where a marriage like hers was normal and maybe only people on forums think that she is unhappy. Sofia has a life where she can do what she wants, that is the price that JC had to pay to keep her walking the line.
I think this is the very essence of it. A bystander could probably see it as one thing, but for the ones in the actual marriage, this is what they chose and they're from a time and background where this choice was the norm, and not something to complain about, as long as they treated each other well and had discreet understandings one way or another. I think instead of pitying someone who is probably settled and content in their own way, we can be glad that royal families today allow for proper love marriages, whether the person a royal marries is a commoner, noble or royal. It surely is better in the long run, for the health of the relationship, but also for the happiness of those on top of a societal construct, that love is allowed to be the major factor when choosing a life partner.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:04 AM
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They did try to make the marriage work for a good ten to fifteen years (from 1962 when they wed to the late 1970s) which is the length of an average marriage these days. It was just changed circumstances (the temptations and pressures of being King and queen) and the fact that they both changed as people over that period of time. I'd be very doubtful of stories about arranged marriages and Grand Guignol despair as the breakdown of the marriage strikes me as being pretty mundane at its heart, but no less painful because of it.

Franco was livid when he found out and knew nothing so he can't be blamed for this. Such expectations of what was a suitable partner within Royal circles was common at the time and had no sinister overtones back then. If the stories about Sofia and Harald are correct (and I suspect that there is at least a grain of truth in them) and JCs earlier relationship with MG (and how it ended) are taken into account, than its fair to at least suggest that both rushed into marriage while on the rebound from other people? A case of Marry in haste, repent at leisure?
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Old 07-05-2016, 06:28 PM
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Franco wasn't happy with Juan Carlos's choice. He hated that she wasn't catholic didn't care that she was a royal. The Count of Barcelona and Ena would have allowed nothing else than a royal, someone from a reigning family was the cherry on top. He couldn't have married a non-royal and he knew it. Franco didn't know he was even courting Sofia until the announcement and he was very unhappy at being sidelined and ignored.

Agreed Franco would have preferred somone like queen fabiola of Belgium as a wife for JC.

On a more interesting note - would MG have wanted to marry JC if that had been an option? Probably not - she seemed to like her freedom and was/is cynical on the whole topic of royalty
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:32 AM
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If it was a love match, I always had the impression that if so, it was from Sofia's end. Franco wanted an A class royal bride for JC and Queen Frederica was keen to make her daughter a Queen of whatever country. So from that perspective, it was a perfect match. But IMO this is the perspective especially JC stuck to and he expected from Sofia to function and deal with the difficult situation in Spain.
They continued to have children until they got the required boy, Felipe, and IMO it went downhill from there. It always takes 2 to tango, I guess having Irene of Greece and Frederica around until her death, and not to mention the greek family, Constantin etc, probably wasn't easy for JC. Sofia is no victim for me, she is from a generation where a marriage like hers was normal and maybe only people on forums think that she is unhappy. Sofia has a life where she can do what she wants, that is the price that JC had to pay to keep her walking the line.
Frederica only moved to Spain permanently after the marriage began to falter to support Sofia. Constantine and Anne Marie only came to Spain for a few weeks per year as they were busy and travelled a lot and probably spent more time in Denmark During the 1970 with Queen Ingrid. JC's parents has permanently returned to Spain at that time and his sisters had been living there as well so it was not like the man was outnumbered on the relative front. Irene was also busy with her own occupations as well.
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How is it going for these two? Have they seen each other in the past 6 months?
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How is it going for these two? Have they seen each other in the past 6 months?
They attended an event last month together,see current events thread King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia.
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Sofia and Juan Carlos seem to have reached an understanding that works for both of them. To me it resembles a reasonably amicable divorce.

Neither of them do many public engagements anymore either separately or together. When they are together in public they seem both seem quite comfortable.

I imagine they also come together for completely private family events which we'll never know about.
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Well, Juan Carlos might as well start doing engagements with his mistress...it's not like nobody knows about it.

Have Felipe, Elena and Cristina met their stepmother?
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It was never a love match, though they tried. Sofia thought she was going to marry then Crown Prince Harald of Norway. He was never marrying anyone but his beloved Sonja. He held out 9 years for that to happen. He refused the offer of Sofia for his bride. She seemed to know her place was to marry someone who would be king. Frederica was adamant about that. I think they were happy for a time.
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