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Old 02-19-2006, 08:58 AM
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I believe that on the one hand the King Jefe of State is, and for other one the King presents.
Nobody doubts that the King has exercised a political very important role in Spain.
But really his life has been very complicated, and it has to affect him emotionally, and one asks himself how they are his feelings. We speak about a person that being a child he was isolated from his family and they sent him to study to a country where he was not anybody, in the shade of a dictator who handled his life how a game of chess. Since he was a child until he was A King his life it was a game of politics and power; that led even that his father was stopping speaking. How has it been his life? What does pass for his head? What is his family for him? Personally. I think that he must be a very unstable person from the emotional point of view...

In case of the Queen, for her the arrival of her grandsons has been a happiness, and seems that a new stage in her life, is something that really makes her happy how to any grandmother.
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:33 AM
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I believe that on the one hand the King Jefe of State is, and for other one the King presents.
Nobody doubts that the King has exercised a political very important role in Spain.
But really his life has been very complicated, and it has to affect him emotionally, and one asks himself how they are his feelings. We speak about a person that being a child he was isolated from his family and they sent him to study to a country where he was not anybody, in the shade of a dictator who handled his life how a game of chess. Since he was a child until he was A King his life it was a game of politics and power; that led even that his father was stopping speaking. How has it been his life? What does pass for his head? What is his family for him? Personally. I think that he must be a very unstable person from the emotional point of view...

In case of the Queen, for her the arrival of her grandsons has been a happiness, and seems that a new stage in her life, is something that really makes her happy how to any grandmother.

It is possible that Juan Carlos is searching emotional stabilisation with his girlfriend.Family is maybe not so important to him like a woman who sees him like a normal man and not like a King, a woman who sees his other side and his other qualities, whatever this is.
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Old 02-19-2006, 09:47 AM
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It is possible that Juan Carlos is searching emotional stabilisation with his girlfriend.Family is maybe not so important to him like a woman who sees him like a normal man and not like a King, a woman who sees his other side and his other qualities, whatever this is.
He will be neither the first nor last one, whatever has to that age take refuge in a young woman. They are people of a certain generation with a certain education. Perhaps the women in that sense keep better the step of the years, and the changes in the life, are more independent, they are dedicated to make more things or they turn upside down in their family. I believe that in that sense the image of the Queen to gone to better and the one of the King to worse. The Queen has become a happy woman that enjoys his grandsons... perhaps the King also would have to learn to live that, but he belongs to a generation in which of the children the women are in charge. Pain would be one that having the possibility of seeing grow to his granddaughter day to day surely did not live that, because that him would make happy.
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Old 02-19-2006, 10:32 AM
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He will be neither the first nor last one, whatever has to that age take refuge in a young woman. They are people of a certain generation with a certain education. Perhaps the women in that sense keep better the step of the years, and the changes in the life, are more independent, they are dedicated to make more things or they turn upside down in their family. I believe that in that sense the image of the Queen to gone to better and the one of the King to worse. The Queen has become a happy woman that enjoys his grandsons... perhaps the King also would have to learn to live that, but he belongs to a generation in which of the children the women are in charge. Pain would be one that having the possibility of seeing grow to his granddaughter day to day surely did not live that, because that him would make happy.
I have seen pictures from some events where the King was and also Julia. On this pictures the King always looks happy.Far away from family and all the things he has to do he is a happy man. And Julia also looks very happy. So Juan Carlos has to lives: his job with Sofia and his private life with Julia. And we see: this young woman makes him happy.In what way ever... .
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Old 02-19-2006, 11:20 AM
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With our King Juan Carlos, his side affairs have never really come out in the open to affect his life or the monarchy, at least not in a noticeable way.
Both Juan Carlos and Sofia are monarchs above it all, they are not in the style of Charles and Diana. No matter how many alleged temptations his wandering eye followed, he will always find his way back home to his Queen. Like a stray dog you might say. I compare them to a movie I've been seen this week on DVD, the Lion in Winter. No matter how entangled their lives become, they will always be Sofia and Juan Carlos and there will never be the shadow of divorce or separation ever.
I see Sofia as the stronger person between the two of them, she knows how to control her temper and she seems to know how to control her vivacious husband.
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Old 02-19-2006, 12:19 PM
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A reminder that as per our Posting Rules & Guidelines, speculations and gossip is not permitted.

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Unless there can be credible and solid evidence, not just "a friend told me" or "someone who works at Casa Real that I know" or a notorious anti-Spanish monarchy forum, then there can't be much further discussion along these lines.

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Old 02-19-2006, 01:04 PM
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Unless there can be credible and solid evidence, not just "a friend told me" or "someone who works at Casa Real that I know" or a notorious anti-Spanish monarchy forum, then there can't be much further discussion along these lines.

And if there are going to be comments about the King being unhappy about family engagements or neglecting his country or his royal duties, then please provide evidence of that as well.

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Alexandria, it is a pity that you do not live in Madrid. In Salamanca you can see the King and his girlfriend very often together. Or go to Palma to watch the next Copa del Rey. I think it is evidence enough if the King travelles to Germany for a private trip and his friend, a famous architect, is not allowed to say why the King really comes to Germany. I mean, if he followed a private invitation of his friend and visits also some car "shops", they can say so but the whole visit was a mistery.
I agree with you: Cotilleando is a bad Forum and it was not my intention to break rules or something.There are a lot of bad Forums and they all copy gossip from other Forums and so the gossip goes around. I know this and I know that must of the Stories of Juan Carlos are lies. Only two are true: Marta Gaya and Julia Steinbusch. He was in love with Marta in the early 90s and they have seen a lot of times and I know, and you really can believe this, the story with Julia is really true. She had to leave the University because of her relation with JC. I do not want to add more but I hope that one day somebody will present a photo of JC and Julia togethe.
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Old 02-19-2006, 01:19 PM
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Alexandria, it is a pity that you do not live in Madrid. In Salamanca you can see the King and his girlfriend very often together.
I fail to see why I need to actually live in Madrid to see that King is having an affair. With the internet and communications being what it is in 2006, I can access Spanish newspapers from my home here in Canada. In this forum alone I can see articles and pictures from media sources from Spain, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Great Britain, Australia, the Phillippines, etc.

If in credible sources there are published pictures of the King with his girlfriend gallavanting about Madrid then the members here are free to post them.

But so long as its hearsay and word of mouth from "firends" or "I know someone who knows someone who saw the King ..." then its gossip and has no place here.
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Old 02-19-2006, 02:36 PM
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I know 'it has been said' that the queen considered divorce quite a few times, but is it true?
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:56 PM
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I know 'it has been said' that the queen considered divorce quite a few times, but is it true?
yes, that's true, but it was when she was still a princess. Anyway I feel sorry for Sophia.
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Old 02-19-2006, 05:11 PM
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I can't imagine he wouldn't cheat--I mean is Sofia going to leave him? Doubt it.
Some people don't cheat, even if they can. Usually it's because they know it's not the right thing to do and because they have souls. Just because he can doesn't he has to.
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Old 02-19-2006, 05:25 PM
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yes, that's true, but it was when she was still a princess. Anyway I feel sorry for Sophia.
How do you know that???
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Old 02-20-2006, 05:33 AM
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We need to be careful when we talk about issues like this, specially when there is no proof. It can just hurt people and that is a really sad thing.
We can't take as proof the fact that people say "I saw" " I know" because that it is too easy to say, specially on internet. It is not a matter of believing what other people says, but when you write things and discuss things in public boards, you need valid proofs, because if you dont have them, you create just rumors and rumors can be very hurtful to the family of those affected and also destroy reputations and lifes of those affected.
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Old 02-20-2006, 06:13 AM
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Ariel, you are totaly right, in my opinion this discussion is too long any more. We can go more ahead without said gossips. If this love affair beyond belief, it's to bad for the Queen but keep to tabloids make the dirty work and be discret without adding blablabla. The private things will be remain private things.
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Old 02-20-2006, 06:25 AM
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Just adding rumors to a situation that can be devastating in their own, it is not a nice thing to do. An affair is a really bad thing to do against your partner, at their age is even worst. Hopefully we dont contribute by repeating what other people says (or invents) to make the damage even worst.
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Old 02-20-2006, 11:39 AM
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Just adding rumors to a situation that can be devastating in their own, it is not a nice thing to do. An affair is a really bad thing to do against your partner, at their age is even worst. Hopefully we dont contribute by repeating what other people says (or invents) to make the damage even worst.

Ariel,you are right. I would not have said something if I not really know the girl. But it is really sad that they always say in Forums like "Cotilleando" that Anne Igartiburu is the girlfriend of the King and that her husband is gay and that they only have married to stop rumors about Anne and Juan Carlos. I mean, such things are really bad. Why should somebody marry a gay only to have an affair with the King? Anne and Igor are a couple since 4 years and they adopted a child. Such things are very bad.
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Old 02-20-2006, 12:00 PM
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How do you know that???
well I read a book Françoise Laot wrote about JC and Sophia... and she told the story about cheating and princess Sophia considering divorce.
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well I read a book Françoise Laot wrote about JC and Sophia... and she told the story about cheating and princess Sophia considering divorce.
I also heard that Sofia wants to get divorced many times. Pilar Urbano said it in German Television.
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well I read a book Françoise Laot wrote about JC and Sophia... and she told the story about cheating and princess Sophia considering divorce.
Thank you! :)
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'Cheating" is a cultural concept. For many married couples the marriage vowes does not preclude the husband having other women as long as the womens social status and standard of living is not tampered with. It is simply a way of life (and a matter of money) although it may not suit everyones idea of a happy marriage.
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