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Old 08-14-2018, 06:54 AM
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For a long time, as Prince of Orange, he never scored that high in popularity polls (but neither did his mother Queen Beatrix anyway).
People called him 'Prince Pils' in the earlier years, WA had the image of being lazy and not interested in duty.
He is a prime example of how the right choice of wife can make all the difference.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:21 AM
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People called him 'Prince Pils' in the earlier years, WA had the image of being lazy and not interested in duty.
He is a prime example of how the right choice of wife can make all the difference.

The same can be said about Prince Philippe, the Duke of Brabant. His choice for Mathilde certainly enhanced him. Also there a success formula. Also there the imago of the Heir was quite poor but his kingship has turned out to be pretty stable, even more than under his father King Albert II we may say.


I am not sure Doña Letizia has enhanced Don Felipe's profile. In my eye the Prince of Asturias already made a strong and promising impression. So there was nothing in need for improvement, let me say. Despite the separatism in Catalonia, the outlook of Spain and the monarchy is pretty healthy,
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:57 AM
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I see the monarchy to be abolished in the Netherlands or Sweden, earlier than in Belgium or Spain.

Reason: the stable democracies and societies of the Netherlands and Sweden can easily "handle" a shift from a monarchy to a republic.

In Belgium and Spain however, the monarchy and the Constutution are very linked to the very core existence of the state. Any proposed change will open Pandora's Box, will open a can of worms and is likely to have a seismic effect on the state and in society.

So weirdly enough a calm, prosperous and stable society will easier swap, simply because liberal and progressive people will possibly have a majority and find a monarchy an anomaly in a 21st C state. In Spain and in Belgium this will not be different, but there other centrifugal powers play a role: the separatistic and secessionist movements.

Doña Leonor's future looks more safe than those of Princess Catharina-Amalia or Princess Estelle.



My humble impression is that, although there is a strong republican sentiment especially on the left, the political and social elite in Spain is still mostly monarchist, which makes it difficult to initiate a serious move towards a republic.



Besides, the fact that politicians in Spain are seen by the Spaniards themselves as being mostly corrupt might make it less likely that there would be support for replacing the King with an elected president, who would be another politician after all.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:02 PM
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Is the Queen popular among the Grandee of Spain.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:12 PM
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My humble impression is that, although there is a strong republican sentiment especially on the left, the political and social elite in Spain is still mostly monarchist, which makes it difficult to initiate a serious move towards a republic. Besides, the fact that politicians in Spain are seen by the Spaniards themselves as being mostly corrupt might make it less likely that there would be support for replacing the King with an elected president, who would be another politician after all.
It’s not so much about corruption per se (althouth its an important factor) as it is about regionalism and ethinicty. Republican sentiment, when regional separatism (Catalonia, Galicia, the Basque Country, etc...) is factored out isn’t actually that high. I remember an interview I read somwhere with Paul Preston, who pointed out that there is no realistic possibility of a Catalan, or a Basque* for that matter, becoming prime minister of Spain at present. The likelihood of somebody from one of those groups becoming president of a third spanish republic is less likely as the abolition of the monarchy would in effect lead to the breakup of the spanish state. The monarchy, despite the royal family’s issues, will probably remain in place as the alternative is deemed by the powers that be as worse.

* I am aware of the fact that Mariano Rajoy and Franco were from Galicia.
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That is totally incorrect. Moreover, at present, the politician best valued by the Spaniards, is Albert Rivera, of Ciudadanos, Albert is Catalan, and has achieved excellent results in the Spanish elections. It is even very curious, the best results of Albert Rivera have been in Madrid. Spanish would never vote for a member of a pro-independence political party as Prime Minister( In no country do I believe that people would vote for a political party that only represents a small portion of its territory, it is mathematical logic).

Spaniards never vote in attention to the region from which the person comes, it is irrelevant to us that he was born in Barcelona or Bilbao, this is irrelevant for us, we , the Spaniards always vote according to political and ideological formation.

Franco was not elected democratically, He was a dictator, Rajoy was elected democratically, by his ideology and political formation.
The Spanish monarchy can perfectly endure, with popular support or not. I have read the reason in this same forum. Spaniards are like Italians, a time has come when the country's political crisis leads people to think:
Politician = corruption. In Spain people would not vote for a constitutional reform, as has happened in Italy, why? because who proposes to reform the constitution are the politicians.
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Former King of Spain's ex-mistress will be quizzed over her claims the royal 'asked for a share of £72million payment made to secure rail deal for Spanish firms in Saudi Arabia'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-payment.html
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