17th Ibero-American Summit in Chile: November 8-10, 2007


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I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.
 
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

I understand you may have your complains and you have all the right to say you don't like Juan Carlos, but I don't agree he thinks he is the King of South America.
Chavez behaved like a bully child who doesn't stop to say rude and mean things with one only purpose: cause moral damage. Imo, he also behaved like a Coward, because he offended a person who was not present. But well, we are used to it: Chavez always insult people when they are far away...
The King behaved very well. Probably if it was now, he would reacted differently, I don't believe he is the kind of man who tells "why don't you shut up?" to the person he doesn't agree with. But even a King can loose his head sometimes, and this time was for a very good cause! King Juan Carlos is the first man who dared to confront the rude Chavez, face to face. And to me, it seemed fantastic. If I was a Spaniard I would be very proud of him.
 
I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.


What does Salinas has to do with this?, he was president of Mexico decades ago and if you are gonna say something like that about the house you'd better have prove other wise is difamation! COME ON GET OVER HIM!

If you dislike the monarchy so much why are you in a thread like this?.

I'm really glad the king has said that to Chavez, because I feel a lot of people would like to say that to that... man
 
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I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.

Eh???????:ermm::ermm::ermm::ohmy::ohmy::ohmy:

Why are you participating in a royalty forum then? And what about this supposed house in Mexico??? I have never heard of this before! Please don't start spreading rumors unless you don't have the facts to back then up:bang:

Btw....VIVA EL REY!!!!!!!!!!
 
i remember when letizia said to prince felipe to shut up and let her talk. she didnt say "shut up" but almost. I believe the "shut up" thing is a common thing in this family :ohmy:

Didn't the prince interrupt her while she was speaking? That smacks of rudeness. And I believe what she said was "Dejame terminar, mi amor" which translates to my very rudimentary knowledge of spanish as "Let me finish, my love". Not quite as close to saying shut up, IMO;)
 
Yes, people have always criticized her to death about that. When she actually never said "shut up" to him.

And hey, for a reason on those summits when a president is talking the other microphones are off, so that no one interrupts when someone's speaking but apparently Mr. Chavez isn't smart enough to know that.
 
I'm not a linguist but I was just wondering, is "shut up" the best translation we have of the Kings Words? It just seems to be that to tell somebody to shut up sounds much more harsh, that the spanish"porque no te callas'. Doesn't it?

To me, it felt more like a "why don't you be quiet" kind of comment. "Shut up" does seem to be kinda harsh.
 
I read all the news around this incident with amusement. JC got a lot of cudos from American press by the way. Here are several news paper editorials:

Charleston, SC Latest Editorial News: Deserved royal putdown for Chavez

Today in Investor's Business Daily stock analysis and business news

There's an editorial in Dallas Morning News a few days ago and I can't find it now. An editorial in South Africa called JC "Juan Carlos the Brave". I can't find that article either. There are several articles in Miami Herald and this is the latest:

King's 'Shut Up' a Ringtone Hit - HispanicBusiness.com
 
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I dont want to Juan Carlos willbe go to America more. He is a stupid, he is a rich man that he has interested in America for money. He isnt our friend, he has maybe houses and other business that is only his interest. In Oaxaca, Mexico, he has a beautiful house with beach gift of ex president Carlos Salinas. He see to America with his. He thinks as our king and America is free.
oh Thank you God.

JUAN CARLOS VETE A CASA.


He's not nor I doubt he will ever think of himself as the King of South America. Just because he has a house in Mexico means nothing. I find His Majesty King Juan Carlos to be a very good king for his country.

Besides that, there is a very good in today's LA Times about His Majesty:
BOGOTA, COLOMBIA -- Someone finally told Hugo Chavez to shut up, and the Spanish-speaking world can hardly stop talking about it.

Finally. Someone had to do it, why not King Juan Carlos.:D
Click here to read the rest of the story as well as commentary.
 
I think Chaves was completely over the line! and the King have every right to told him to shut up.

Hail King Juan Carlos!
 
ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.
 
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"
 
Chavez doesn't listen to polite request from Spanish PM. He didn't even respond to the hint that his microphone was shut off by the summit organizers. He's a bully who tries to outshout and outtalk everyone. So what do you do with such a buffon except giving him a taste of his own medicine?

I agree that the Chile president could have done a better job maintaining orders. She should have be the one who told Chavez to shut up. But she didn't do it. JC did.
 
I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.
 
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

I would have to disagree with you. They would dance around instead of bing blunt about it. The latter is more highly effective.


I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.


I doubt the CC would care. Second, do you have evidence to back-up your hearsay? Please provide a link where these aristocrats note this. I would like to read it myself.
 
I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

Ask your chum what the Spanish aristocracy think of President Chavez.

To think we're talking of the niceties of protocol towards a clown who knows nothing of any such thing.

Or perhaps people are unaware of the horrific way President Chavez refers to those he dislikes -- like calling a fellow President un pajarito (which I cannot translate into English, as it is homophobic in the extreme). This on NATIONAL television, something he does on average of 40 hours per week.

Come on, what are we saying here?

When someone steps over the boundaries of social norms like tact and restraint, don't be surprised if they are put into their place.

HOW they are put into their place is something best left to nannies to worry about.
 
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

Aquarela, with all the respect, let me ask you if you think people should bear everything just to keep the manners (?).
I agree Hugo Chavez is a bully. The King wouldn't tell him anything if Chavez hadn't break the rules like he did.
Oh yes, The Catholics in Spain are very angry with the King but very happy with Hugo Chavez. :D I am sure Chavez is a great model for any Catholic.
Besides, don't forget that Jesus Christ was always "rude" to the pharisees and hypocrites ;)
 
I didn't understand why anyone would think Catholic Church would care. Now I understand. Here is an editorial from INDIA (!):

LOL. That's hilarious, thanks Highpriestess for the link.

So President Chavez is Jesus on the Cross.

Not only is this laughable (apart from the small matter of blasphemous), but does this mean the King of Spain is Pontius Pilate? Oh wait, I know.

A more royal connection -- he's King Herod.

The good thing about this situation is, as the Times of India pointed out (lamented...), it makes whatever ideological agenda he have look ridiculous because of his outrageous behaviour.

This "Por qué no te callas?" just gave every moderate in South America a much-needed boost in the arm.

Again, thank you King Juan Carlos! [SIZE=-1] Imagínate tu, por tu madre!
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ABC.es: nacional - nacional - «El Rey es un garante de la democracia española y de parte

Carlos Sources, writer: " King is a guarantee of the Spanish democracy and of the Latin American community "he thinks that the King guessed right when stopping to Chávez? - Yes, I have seen it. Somebody had to say that but nobody dared, only King,i think who all think the same but he said it. How good! To me I like that he has said it


who is really chávez?

ABC.es: domingos - domingos - Chávez El golpista

...And tormented by a persecutory odd habit: when he was a young official, their comrades-in-arms were surprised with their shouts outside place: "they want to Me to kill, are there", he said before imaginary ghosts.


Everybody knows the tendency of ABC but the articles are very good. It's interesting to know what an intelectual of left center is thinking about the Rey Juan Carlos for the incident with Chavez and generally speaking.
As I can read Carlos Sources is a mexican writer and knows very well the economic, social and cultural live od America Latina in general. It's very good to understand better a situation to read opinion of people interested at the primer plan by the events. It's because of that the ABC article is good.

Many thanks for the link.
 
Chavez is the rudest President in the world, yesterday he told some journalists "OMG, I need to go to the bathroom, I'm gonna pee myself" :eek: (Necesito ir al baño, estoy que me orino)

I think that shows how his behavior is and totally justifies KJC's world: Chavez isn't a man who understand things in the right way, you have to punch things into that thick skull to make him understand

He would have never shut up if KJC haven't shouted at him to do so :cool:
 
He was still rude. A well educated person doesnt scream "why dont you shut up?!"

Look at it this way: a well-educated person does not interrupt another person who is speaking to hurl insults at another person. And between how King Juan Carlos and Chavez carry their selves, it's easy to see which one took his education in earnest.

I wonder how Catholic Church see this behaviour from Juan Carlos. A friend of mine who lives in Spain told me the spanish aristocrats didn't like his tacky behaviour.

Why should the Church meddle in this anyway? Just because King Juan Carlos and Chavez are both Catholics? I don't think so. They ought to be praying now that Chavez wisen up.:lol:

I actually find it embarassing that it had to take someone who is not from Latin America, and a king at that, to tell Chavez to shut up. and as said previously here, someone had to be the grown-up and tell the erring person to back off.

what is clear in this incident is the poor moderation by the host country. from the moment Chavez interrupted Zapatero, someone should have stepped in.
 
The incident hasn't been covered by most mainstream American media. The Los Angeles Times article was published a week after the incident. Here is a well-written opinion piece in today's Washington Post about the danger of Chavez and the incident:

washingtonpost.com
 
The incident hasn't been covered by most mainstream American media. The Los Angeles Times article was published a week after the incident. Here is a well-written opinion piece in today's Washington Post about the danger of Chavez and the incident:

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

I read the article this morning and thought the outcome would have been better for Spain if the King did ask the attendees to speak up rather than reprimanding Chavez. But of course, the king is only human who can only tke so much.
 
From Yahoo.com

'Shut up' is hit ringtone in Spain

By MAR ROMAN, Associated Press WriterMon Nov 19, 6:00 PM ET

Many Spaniards were so amused when their king told Venezuela's president to "shut up" they want to hear the words every time their phone rings.
About half a million people have downloaded a mobile phone ringtone featuring the phrase "Por que no te callas?" or "Why don't you shut up?" leading Madrid daily El Pais reported on its Web site Monday.
That's what King Juan Carlos told Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez during a heated confrontation at a summit in Chile last week.
The ringtone is thought to have generated around $2.2 million for the companies selling it, El Pais said.
T-shirts and mugs featuring the words are also becoming a profitable business, and videos of the confrontation have been a hit on the YouTube Web site.
Chavez's opponents in Venezuela are no less obsessed.
Pirated copies of the quote have been popping up in the South American country.
In Venezuela, T-shirts with the slogan in Spanish have the "NO" in uppercase — a call for voting against constitutional reforms that would significantly expand Chavez's power. The Venezuelan leader says the changes would empower neighborhood-based assemblies and advance the country's transition to socialism.
"The king said what Venezuelans have wanted to say to Chavez's face for a long time," said Jenny Romero, 21, a student sporting one of the T-shirts in Caracas. "I'm wearing this T-shirt to protest everything bad that has happened in the country."
The spat last week began when Chavez repeatedly called former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a "fascist."
Spain's current prime minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, asked Chavez to be more diplomatic and show respect for other leaders. As Chavez repeatedly tried to interrupt, King Juan Carlos leaned forward and said: "Why don't you shut up?"
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Associated Press Writer Jorge Rueda contributed to this report from Caracas, Venezuela.
 
hello, excuse me to all because I am using a translator, but I cannot keep silent about myself before so many bilges that are said it brings over of my king and of the reaction of the spanish The first thing is that the inmense majority of the spanish we are very very very proud of our king who always defend to his country in any circurnstance. From my country i say to them that they should not notice of the slanderous rumors, and confirm to them that it has never been said that.
Certainly the king neither is a king of Sudamérica, t is not important for us, but certainly to say that América is free is a joke. Whereas "prominent figures" exist as Chavez, Ortega, Evo or Fidel it is impossible but if there is someone whom it they fascinates these prominent figures, so then for them. Spain is not going to allow that ninfún dictator insults us. Th king lives and god grants him many years of life. And that they still have clear that the inmens majority of spanish people,aristrocats or not, have been charmed with and very proud of their king
 
And I confirm to them that has never been commented that the king should have house in México so I cannot go out my amazement when I read things as this one. Better not to invent, since the lies are not supported a lot of time. Thanks to all.
 
Libertad Digital: Bachelet asegura que el Rey también le dijo a Chávez "aprenda a escuchar"

King Juan Carlos of Spain not to only said " Why you do not shut up?" to the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, in the last Latin American Summit of Santiago, but also, "learns to listen", according to the president of Chile, Michelle Bachelet. "learns to listen" has not left in no side. What he (the king) "meant you were you had your time, now leaves the time to president Zapater", said the Chilean agent chief executive in an interview that publishes Saturday the supplement Saturday, of the newspaper Mercury
 
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