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I think her father died a few years ago in Miami, don't know about her mom, but I think she died too, but recently. MT family in Cuba were very wealthy, bank owners and "big" financials deals, her mom was related to Fulgencio Batista, the President of Cuba in the 50's. Also another big issue with MT coming into "royalty" specially with her mother in law (RIP) was that Fulgencio Batista was mulato (in English, mixed, half black half white) and so is MT in a 3rd or 4th degree, however for JC just the thought of having a "black" was too much, and thats the other reason why when MT gets tanned she gets quickly tanned, way too much but that what happens when your skin is dark, I know because it's happens to me.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:03 PM
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Very interesting HSH1969. Thank you for posting. Its too bad JC only saw colour and not character.
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Old 01-25-2007, 05:50 AM
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Just ut of curiousty HSH, how do you know that Josephine-Charlotte objected because of the mulato background? I never heard that story, only that Joe used to have problems with ALL her children-in-law (esp. poor Helene Vestur) and that in the beginning of the marriage she was quite welcoming to Marie-Theresa and had persuaded her husband to accept the marriage.
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Old 01-26-2007, 08:08 PM
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There was another phrase that JC used to call MT and it was "little black girl", but in french. JC could not stand MT for whatever reason but people supected that race was the issue, because there was no way that was low class since MT family was (don't know if still are) extremely wealthy, so much that MT was introduced to Prince Charles of Wales (yeap Mr Ears himself) and they did not click and so it faded, so do you think somebody that was moving in the same circle as Prince Charles could be on the low fund$ side, right?, very well educated even thou she prefers to talk in french and spanish than in english, i guess out of familiarity.
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I think her father died a few years ago in Miami, don't know about her mom, but I think she died too, but recently. MT family in Cuba were very wealthy, bank owners and "big" financials deals, her mom was related to Fulgencio Batista, the President of Cuba in the 50's. Also another big issue with MT coming into "royalty" specially with her mother in law (RIP) was that Fulgencio Batista was mulato (in English, mixed, half black half white) and so is MT in a 3rd or 4th degree, however for JC just the thought of having a "black" was too much, and thats the other reason why when MT gets tanned she gets quickly tanned, way too much but that what happens when your skin is dark, I know because it's happens to me.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...329606-017.jpg

Maria Teresa's mother died in 1988 and her father in 1993, both in Switzerland, not Miami. Her mother is the daughter of banker Augustin Batista, NOT FULGENCIO BATISTA!! Augustin can be see in the portrait behind the family in the attached picture. You can see that he is not dark skinned. (Why are you writing all these things that aren't true? :unhappy: )
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Old 01-27-2007, 10:56 PM
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Lindy: Where did I say she was the daughter of Fulgencio Batista? Furthermore, she was related to Fulgencio Batista, right? Not all mixed people are dark like Fulgencio was.
Her parents died, I was told by my CUBAN family they were living in Miami, I don't follow those people, if I'm not mistaken one of her brothers still live in Miami, right? and the others in Europe, close to her I guess.

If you want to get offended so be it, but read right before you do.
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Old 01-28-2007, 01:01 PM
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Maria Teresa is not related to Fulgencio Batista.

Her parents lived in Geneva, Switzerland from the mid-sixties to the time of their deaths. Her brother, Antonio, does live in Miami. Luis and Catalina live in Europe.
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She was born in Havana (Cuba), to José Antonio Mestre and Maria Teresa Batista-Falla de Mestre. In October 1959, at the time of the revolution, Maria Teresa Mestre left Cuba with her parents. The family settled in New York where, as a young girl, she was a pupil at Marymount School. From 1961 she carried on her studies at the Lycée Français. In her childhood, Maria Teresa Mestre took ballet and singing courses. She practices skiing, ice-skating and water sports. She lived in New York City, Santander, Spain and Geneva, where she met the Grand Duke.
In 1980 she graduated from the University of Geneva in political sciences. Miss Mestre met Prince Henri at this university. For four years they both carried on similar studies, working sometimes in the same study groups. Miss Mestre was for instance, the author of a report comparing legislation concerning women and motherhood within the European Union.
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More on Maria Teresa's Illustrious Ancestry

Grand Duchess Maria Teresa's mother also named Maria Teresa is a descendant of very prominent Cuban families that date back to the 1700's. These families are the Montalvo and O'Farrill families. I was doing some research and have found information on the O'Farrill family of which Maria Teresa is of course a direct descendant. Below is an excerpt of a study entitled "The Irish Presence in the History and Place Names of Cuba" where the founder of Maria Teresa's mother's dynasty, Richard O'Farrill O'Daly [Known in Cuba by the Spanish version of his name, "Ricardo"] is prominently figured. It is very interesting.

This is an excerpt from:

The Irish Presence in the History and Place Names of Cuba
By Rafael Fernandez-Moya
Translated by Annette Leahy

On 26 March 1713 the English Slave-Trading
Agreement (asiento) was signed, which would
remain in force for thirty years, and for this
purpose the South Sea Company was created
and obtained the monopoly for supplying
enslaved Africans to all the Spanish
possessions. Ricardo O’Farrill and Wergent
Nicholson ran a company in Havana which also
had a branch in Santiago de Cuba run by
Messrs. Cumberlege and Walsh.
Ricardo O’Farrill y O’Daly was a native of the
Caribbean island of Montserrat and a
descendant of a family whose lineage traces
back to County Longford. He married María
Josefa de Arriola y García de Londoño in 1720
and both would establish a prominent family in
the administration, economy and cultural
development of the country, as well as at the
heart of the Spanish-Cuban aristocracy. The
surname OFarrill appears in the family tree of
almost all the Havana families with noble titles.
At the beginning of 1721 Ricardo O’Farrill
asked to be granted Spanish citizenship and six
months later it was public knowledge that he
had travelled to Jamaica and brought part of his
assets consisting of 236 African men and
women of all ages, 260 barrels of flour, other
possessions and household furnishings, as well
as the materials necessary for the construction
of a sugar plantation back in Cuba. On 17
January of the following year a Royal Cédula
was signed which granted O’Farrill citizenship
in Spanish America and a licence to trade there
with the status of resident of Havana.
Besides working in slave-trading and the import
business, Ricardo O’Farrill became the
proprietor of two sugar plantations located in
Sabanilla, adjoining Tapaste, situated on the
road from Havana to Matanzas. The Tapas
church was built on land donated by
descendants of Don Ricardo, who died in 1730.
It seems Ricardo O’Farrill had his slave depot
on a short street known as Callejón de O’Farrill
(O’Farill’s Alley), which was also called La
Sigua and Las Recogidas, situated between
Picota and Compostela streets, in the port area
and near El Palenque – so called because it was
the State’s African slave depot. In the present
day this place is occupied by the Archivo
Nacional (National Archive) building. The
corner of Cuba and Chacón streets is where
Ricardo’s grandson Rafael built his home and is
called O’Farrill’s Corner. This mansion was
restored for private lodging and is now the
Hotel Palacio O’Farrill. Nowadays, in one of
the capital’s neighbourhoods, La Víbora, there
is a street called O’Farrill and another called
Alcalde (Mayor) O’Farrill, after one of the
Irishman’s descendants named Juan Ramón
O’Farrill, who chaired the City Hall of Havana
at the beginning of the twentieth century.


The Irish Presence in the History and Place Names of Cuba
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As I have said before, Maria Teresa comes from a very old family with roots dating back to the 1700's. Here's a Youtube video of one Maria Teresa's ancestral palaces in Old Havana. This is the O'Farrill palace built by Rafael O'Farrill, the grandson of the founder of the dynasty, Richard O'Farrill O'Daly. As you can see, it is so massive and splendid that it is comparable to a great European estate.

What you are seeing of the great stone edifice is the central courtyard. It is now a hotel.

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It's sad what Maria Teresa had to endure. I wonder if Silvia Sommerlath had to go endure the same. Then again, Gustav didn't have parents to contend with. I believe that they had passed away by the time that he was engaged to commoner Silvia. They probably would have objected to Silvia as well. But since Maria Teresa, look at all of the commoners who have married into royalty; in Holland: Maxima, in Norway: Mette-Marit and in Denmark: Mary. And I dare say that none of them are as aristocratic as Maria Teresa.

I wonder why the news reports only spoke of her as a rich commoner and never examined her background. While Maria Teresa, herself, didn't sport any titles of nobility, many of her ancestors did, and I would hope that that would have counted for something, but apparently it did not.

Here are Maria Teresa's ancestors:

1.-Lorenzo Montalvo
Valladolid 1er Count of Macuriges

2.-Ignacio Montalvo
1er Count of Casa Montalvo
(He married Maria Josefa O'Farrill y Herrera, granddaughter of the 4th Marquis of Villalta, on her mother's side)

3.-José Lorenzo Montalvo y O'Farrill
2nd count of Casa Montalvo
(He married Mª Micaela Núñez del Castillo y Espinoza de Contreras, daughter of the 4th Marquis of San Felipe y Santiago and 1er count of Castillo CON GRANDEZA. His mother, was a descendant of the 1er Count of Gibacoa. They are also of the Sotolongo family which is a very well-known and aristocratic name in Cuba).

4.-María Micaela Montalvo
(She married Joaquín Pedroso y Echeverría, great-grandson (father's mother) of the 1er Count of Casa Barreto)

5.-Mª Mercedes Pedroso y Montalvo
(was married to Antonio González de Mendoza. President of the Cuban Supreme Court)

6.-Julia González de Mendoza y Pedroso
(was was married to Melchor Batista y Varona, lawyer)

7.-Agustín Batista y González de Mendoza
(married María Teresa Falla y Bonet)

9.-Mª Teresa Batista y Falla
(married the wealthy landowner, José Antonio Mestre y Alvarez, who himself is a descendant of Lorenzo Montalvo, previously mentioned and of his son, José Rafael Montalvo y Bruñon, 2nd Count de Macuriges)

10.-Mª Teresa Mestre y Batista
(married Crown Prince Henri of Luxembourg).
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There is also a King in Maria Teresa's ancestors, a Spanish King in the XIII century...
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But there is also a black slave in her ancestors I remember reading it when she got married in the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf. If you go far back enough all kinds of ancestors jump out.
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I also remember reading that unsubstantiated allegation. Supposedly, on her father's side [not her mother's side], there is some remote black relative. But that has never been proven and sounds like the rumor that Queen Elizabeth II is part black through her ancestor Queen Charlotte.
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Would that be soooo bad? To have 1 black ancestor? Geez.
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No of course not. There is nothing bad with that. Maybe she does have a black ancestor? My remark wasn't driven by prejudice or anything like that. It's just that people say so many things and most of the time, they are rumors. She certainly wouldn't be the only royal with a non-white ancestor. For instance, Argentine Maxima of Holland has an Indian ancestor and the younger Danish prince [forget his name] married [and is now divorced] a woman who is 1/4 Chinese.

Regarding blacks in royal families, one of the Princes of Lichtenstein married a black woman and Prince Albert of Monaco has a black son through his affair with an African woman.
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No of course not. There is nothing bad with that. Maybe she does have a black ancestor? My remark wasn't driven by prejudice or anything like that. It's just that people say so many things and most of the time, they are rumors. She certainly wouldn't be the only royal with a non-white ancestor. For instance, Argentine Maxima of Holland has an Indian ancestor and the younger Danish prince [forget his name] married [and is now divorced] a woman who is 1/4 Chinese.

Regarding blacks in royal families, one of the Princes of Lichtenstein married a black woman and Prince Albert of Monaco has a black son through his affair with an African woman.
Are you thinking of Prince Joachim of Denmark ?
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Yes, Prince Joachim of Denmark.
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I didn't mean to imply anyone was prejudiced
but it's just annoying that the media would resort to
using something like that (be it fact or not) to try
and incite outrage among people and worse yet, that it actually could.

Oh and Princess Angela (Lichtenstein) is actually Hispanic
she's from Panama, just has dark skin.
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Would that be soooo bad? To have 1 black ancestor? Geez.

I don't think it's bad. I don't even think anyone really cares....She was merely pointing out the diversity of the Grand Duchess' background not implying that she thought it was a detraction.

Um, but if you have 1 black ancestor doesn't that make all their ancestors also your ancestors thereby meaning she has many black ancestors?

I'm pretty sure that Princess Angela is actually Afro-Panamanian and not simply a Latina with dark skin. This was discussed a bazillion times before and after their marriage.
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