Josephine-Charlotte and Maria-Teresa's Relationship

[suturegeisha]

While searching for news on the unfortunate death of the former Grand Duchess [and I cannot believe that not one single US news outlet has any mention of her! :seethe:] I came across this article, which I've never seen before. It was quite interesting. And it made me like Josephine-Charlotte even more. ;-]

Here you go:

Grand Duchess does a 'Lady Di'

Please note: I am not trying to be offensive here to Maria-Teresa, Josephine-Charlotte, or the late Princess Diana. I just wanted to post it before I forgot about it and lost the link.
-Kara-

[Alexandria]

I have heard these sorts of stories before, and I believe that in an old (very old) thread we did discuss this press conference Maria Teresa held and the alleged tense relationship between mother- and daughter-in-law. (If you are interested in finding the old thread here, do a search and go back at to at least fall 2003 if not more.)

Allegedly, Josephine-Charlotte would've preferred for her eldest son to have married an aristocrat considering that he would succeed his father one day. Maria Teresa was not only not an aristocrat, she was from Cuba which apparently Josephine-Charlotte thought even less of. Josephine-Charlotte was allegedly very disappointed in the pairing, so much so that she cried on their wedding day.

I have also heard stories that Josephine-Charlotte much preferred her daughter-in-law Sybilla, who is married to her son Guillaume. Either here or on another forum when this story was being discussed, there were pictures posted of Josephine-Charlotte carrying an umbrella for Sybilla at a baptism because she was holding the baby but other people remarked that Josephine-Charlotte would never have done the same for Maria Teresa under the same circumstances. Other examples of the favouritism were of how Josephine-Charlotte would frequently lend Sybilla tiaras and jewels but never to Maria Teresa, who as the Hereditary Grand Duchess would've taken precedence over her sister-in-law.

I'm not sure about the accurace of these stories of course. They're just stories I've heard. In light of Josephine-Charlotte's death, whatever the relationship was between Maria Teresa and her mother-in-law, I hope she can forgive and forget and not dwell on how badly things (apparently) were.

[susan alicia]

even more important: those things are very unpleasant for the (grand)children.

the things you mentioned like the umbrella and the family jewels are visible, there are lots of things children notice that are less visible and leave scares.

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

And its so sad now that she is gone.

[Nathalian]

Yeah....i´ve heard about their relationship......it´s sad....if it´s true......

[bigheadshirmp]

Originally Posted by suturegeisha

While searching for news on the unfortunate death of the former Grand Duchess [and I cannot believe that not one single US news outlet has any mention of her! :seethe:] I came across this article, which I've never seen before. It was quite interesting. And it made me like Josephine-Charlotte even more. ;-]

Here you go:

Grand Duchess does a 'Lady Di'

Please note: I am not trying to be offensive here to Maria-Teresa, Josephine-Charlotte, or the late Princess Diana. I just wanted to post it before I forgot about it and lost the link.
-Kara-

i've just copy and paste that article...so that ppl can see it in the future if that link does not work anymore

Grand Duchess 'does a Lady Di'
By Philip Delves Broughton in Paris
(Filed: 03/07/2002)

A Grand Duchess in Luxembourg has been accused of "doing a Lady Di" after she summoned journalists to the royal palace and treated them to an extended, tearful assault on her mother-in-law.

Grand Duchess Maria Teresa with her husband Grand Duke Henri
Grand Duchess Maria Teresa, 46, married into the Luxembourg royal family on marrying Henri, now the Grand Duke after his father, Jean, abdicated two years ago.

She has done all that can be expected of a Grand Duchess, including travelling the world for Unesco, but she has never won the approval of her mother-in-law, the Grand Duchess Josephine-Charlotte.

Last month Maria Teresa summoned 15 Belgian and Luxembourgeois journalists to a supposedly off-the-record lunch but details of it began to emerge yesterday.

According to those present Maria Teresa, 46, spent the entire lunch sobbing and blaming Josephine-Charlotte for making her life a misery.

Maria Teresa is said to have told her guests that her mother-in-law calls her "the little Cuban" and despises her for not being blue-blooded.

Her wealthy family fled Cuba after Fidel Castro's revolution and she was brought up in New York and Switzerland.

The Belgian newspaper Le Soir reported that Maria Teresa also blamed her mother-in-law for spreading rumours that her husband was having an affair with Luxembourg's foreign minister. It described the event as Maria Teresa "doing a Lady Di".

[msfroyste]

yes, i've read that article and heard various other stories as well, and all of them are a sad business. hopefully mt is bigger than that and can put the past behind herself and not dwell on it, thus passing grief that's caused by situations such as those on to another generation. if they are true, then j-c wasn't as much a classy lady as i though she was and truly was a product of her breeding and her era, so to speak- this was said on the benelux messge board. btw, i was wondering when someone would start a thread on this subject. anyway, let's all hope that mt and the rest of her family-in-law can set a better example and move away from the whole, "yuck, you can do better than a commoner can't you," idealology and see ppl for who they are on the inside and not what they are or where they come from or how much money or how well connected they are, b/c let's face it, it's 2005 and this type of bigotry must end b/c it's childish, offensive, and stupid. sorry if i've offended anyone with my comments; i'm not being partial to anyone(mt or j-c) b/c i like them both, despite all their flaws which comes from not being royal by blood or by marriage or both, but from being human beings.

[Australis]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

I have heard these sorts of stories before, and I believe that in an old (very old) thread we did discuss this press conference Maria Teresa held and the alleged tense relationship between mother- and daughter-in-law. (If you are interested in finding the old thread here, do a search and go back at to at least fall 2003 if not more.)

Allegedly, Josephine-Charlotte would've preferred for her eldest son to have married an aristocrat considering that he would succeed his father one day. Maria Teresa was not only not an aristocrat, she was from Cuba which apparently Josephine-Charlotte thought even less of. Josephine-Charlotte was allegedly very disappointed in the pairing, so much so that she cried on their wedding day.

I have also heard stories that Josephine-Charlotte much preferred her daughter-in-law Sybilla, who is married to her son Guillaume. Either here or on another forum when this story was being discussed, there were pictures posted of Josephine-Charlotte carrying an umbrella for Sybilla at a baptism because she was holding the baby but other people remarked that Josephine-Charlotte would never have done the same for Maria Teresa under the same circumstances. Other examples of the favouritism were of how Josephine-Charlotte would frequently lend Sybilla tiaras and jewels but never to Maria Teresa, who as the Hereditary Grand Duchess would've taken precedence over her sister-in-law.

I'm not sure about the accurace of these stories of course. They're just stories I've heard. In light of Josephine-Charlotte's death, whatever the relationship was between Maria Teresa and her mother-in-law, I hope she can forgive and forget and not dwell on how badly things (apparently) were.

Well Nothing to worry now. MT can use all the tiaras she wants and all the jewlry she wants without asking to her mother-in-law for it. I am very sure she is happy and relief now.

[Splodger]

I would just like to state i am playing the devils advocate here. I was just wondering Suturegeisha why, although Maria-Teresa aired her dirty laundry in public by talking to the press and doing "a princess diana," why does this make you like Josephine more? If it were true she didn't like her daughter-in-law just beacuse she was Cuban and not born a noble, is this perhaps not quite cruel of Josephine and to call her the Little Cuban?

PS - I just want to say again that I am playing the devils advocate here and just asking an alkwerd question. In no way what so ever do i mean any offence to Suturegeisha or anyone else's opionions on either Maria-Teresa or Josephine-Charlotte.

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I would just like to state i am playing the devils advocate here. I was just wondering Suturegeisha why, although Maria-Teresa aired her dirty laundry in public by talking to the press and doing "a princess diana," why does this make you like Josephine more? If it were true she didn't like her daughter-in-law just beacuse she was Cuban and not born a noble, is this perhaps not quite cruel of Josephine and to call her the Little Cuban?

I have to preface this with the fact that I do not know much about Josephine-Charlotte, Maria-Teresa or any of the family history, relationships or dynamics. But from a purely human point of view, I would hasten to guess that Maria-Teresa must've been pretty frustrated by the situation and at the end of her rope to have drawn such public attention and scrutiny to her situation with her mother-in-law.

I am curious to know (for those who are in the know more than me), if there was some incident or occasion taking place in Luxembourg or within the family at the time that might've "provoked" this press conference? I vaguely recall (but am not a hundred per cent certain) that Josephine-Charlotte might've made some comment about Maria-Teresa that became published (intentionally or untentionally) so Maria-Teresa felt it necessary to share her side of things?

Again, I don't really know, just taking a stab in the dark.

[suturegeisha]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I would just like to state i am playing the devils advocate here. I was just wondering Suturegeisha why, although Maria-Teresa aired her dirty laundry in public by talking to the press and doing "a princess diana," why does this make you like Josephine more? If it were true she didn't like her daughter-in-law just beacuse she was Cuban and not born a noble, is this perhaps not quite cruel of Josephine and to call her the Little Cuban?

PS - I just want to say again that I am playing the devils advocate here and just asking an alkwerd question. In no way what so ever do i mean any offence to Suturegeisha or anyone else's opionions on either Maria-Teresa or Josephine-Charlotte.

Mmmm. I guess everyone misconstrued that comment. I'm sorry. :o

While of course Maria-Teresa did not deserve to be treated in such a way by her own mother-in-law, I really don't think it was right of her to have an "off-the-record" lunch and cry and whine about it to- of all people- a bunch of journalists. To be upset by such comments, of course! But, there are other outlets in which to vent one's frustration, and not the newspapers.
What I meant by what I said is that I've always liked the late Grand Duchess- a lot- and reading that article just made me feel kind of this wierd affection for her. She reminds me of my own grandmother. :) Sorry for any confusion. I like Maria-Teresa a lot as well.
Lollies!
-Kara-

[Regina]

I really don't want to be mean, but if you suturegeisha had a grandmother like the late Grand-Duchess, then I have to say that I'm very sorru for you.
Between Josephine-Charlotte and Baldouin there is a HUGE-HUGE difference.
I'm sorry for her death, but she was never a exemple of how a good mother should be. Her sons were grown enough to choose their wifes.
Maria Teresa is a wonderful Grand Duchess, very sweet, catholic, good mother and very pretty. She deserved a better mother-in-law, I hope Maria Teresa had forgive her.
Even Hola magazine didn't give much attencion to her death... may she rest in peace, but she was not kind and good, that's a pitty.

[Regina]

ERRATA: sorry, not sorru. :)

[suturegeisha]

Actually, doll, I believe that Josephine-Charlotte was kind and good.

And, no need to feel sorry for me.
-Kara-

Originally Posted by suturegeisha

Actually, doll, I believe that Josephine-Charlotte was kind and good.

And, no need to feel sorry for me.
-Kara-

Doll? Now i start to understand why do you like JC so much!

:)

[Danielle]

I can understand entirely how MT was feeling in regard to JC. If you had a mother-in-law who was continually thinking that you weren't good enough for their son, no matter what you did, it would get very upsetting and frustrating. However, I don't know see sufficient evidence to say that MT actually did say those things at the 'lunch'. Why would she do it? She knows what the implications comments like that would have on the family. It just doesn't seem like something she would do.

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

Wait...was this like hardcore the media being everywhere published?

[drimal]

Originally Posted by Regina

I really don't want to be mean, but if you suturegeisha had a grandmother like the late Grand-Duchess, then I have to say that I'm very sorru for you.
Between Josephine-Charlotte and Baldouin there is a HUGE-HUGE difference.
I'm sorry for her death, but she was never a exemple of how a good mother should be. Her sons were grown enough to choose their wifes.
Maria Teresa is a wonderful Grand Duchess, very sweet, catholic, good mother and very pretty. She deserved a better mother-in-law, I hope Maria Teresa had forgive her.
Even Hola magazine didn't give much attencion to her death... may she rest in peace, but she was not kind and good, that's a pitty.

I think that you have not the right to say that Josephine-Charlotte was not kind and good. She was very dedicated in the SOS children's village for example and President of the Luxembourgish Red Cross. In December 2003 there was a Gala of the SOS children's village and despite her illness she was present which shows us that this projects were very important for her. In 1997 there was a serious train accident in Luxembourg with many victims and she visited the injured people and consolated them!

She lost her parents when she was very young (only seven years old) and she was like a mother for the brothers Baudouin and Albert. Thus she was a strong personality.:)

I think she had also a good relationship with her children as I saw on TV reports.

But I'm sorry that she had a bad relationship with Maria Teresa!:( She had a very conservative point of view and didn't want that her son married a commoner and because of that she didn't like Maria Teresa. That's one explanation, the second is that Maria Te