Josephine-Charlotte and Maria-Teresa's Relationship

[hillary_nugent]

hahaha...gogm was saying something about two Adolph Hitlers...hahahaha...i guess i mistook what gogm was trying to say opps... ^___^ thanks for the explaination KatieLouise ^_____^

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

Oh, ok. I was getting a little confused. So back on MT and JC, do you think that MT now feels really bad about it?

[msfroyste]

apparently so. mt was holding a handkerchief and was visibly upset at the visitation on tues, so there could be some sadness there b/c mt seems to be a pretty sensitive person.

[Lena]

Looking at the whole discussion, I wouldn´t say either, that Josephine Charlotte was a bad person! She surely had her faults...pretty "human" faults, if you ask me. Conflicts between mother-in-laws and daughter-in-laws are pretty normal! A mother wants only the best for her son...and in the case of JC the "best" was defined through her education. Then maybe in the long run, MT made it pretty easy for JC to treat her with no respect. It´s IMO also pretty human, that you take advantage of a situation of power (MT tried probably all to please her mother-in-law). So maybe the little revenge of MT in 2002 (to talk to the press) was finally a connecting factor/point for those 2 women. And JC has seen, that she can´t do all with her daughter-in-law, what she wants.
Of course I can´t say, if I´m right, I can only hope, they have made peace, before JC passed away. And I would say, we shouldn´t take this conflict as only factor to judge JC´s life. Since we aren´t part of the grand ducal family (but live in own families with own problems) , it´s not up to us to judge their family life, we should rather focus on the things JC has done for Luxembourg and the world.

[susan alicia]

Originally Posted by Lena

Looking at the whole discussion, I wouldn´t say either, that Josephine Charlotte was a bad person! She surely had her faults...pretty "human" faults, if you ask me. Conflicts between mother-in-laws and daughter-in-laws are pretty normal! A mother wants only the best for her son...and in the case of JC the "best" was defined through her education. Then maybe in the long run, MT made it pretty easy for JC to treat her with no respect. It´s IMO also pretty human, that you take advantage of a situation of power (MT tried probably all to please her mother-in-law). So maybe the little revenge of MT in 2002 (to talk to the press) was finally a connecting factor/point for those 2 women. And JC has seen, that she can´t do all with her daughter-in-law, what she wants.
Of course I can´t say, if I´m right, I can only hope, they have made peace, before JC passed away. And I would say, we shouldn´t take this conflict as only factor to judge JC´s life. Since we aren´t part of the grand ducal family (but live in own families with own problems) , it´s not up to us to judge their family life, we should rather focus on the things JC has done for Luxembourg and the world.

"Then maybe in the long run, MT made it pretty easy for JC to treat her with no respect. It´s IMO also pretty human, that you take advantage of a situation of power (MT tried probably all to please her mother-in-law)."

Lena, this is probably meant to sound as a moral lesson to us all but you do not always make sense to me.

re the mink coat of MT (I do not like mink coats, makes women look like giant squirrels) at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest woudl be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.

[Lena]

Dear Susanstotz, this was actually not meant as moral lesson, but was just my point of view. I just tried to judge this situation by making different points, and by offering different views. All posters tell here their views of situations-in a friendly and respectful way. And yes, this is now a moral lesson (to you)

[susan alicia]

Originally Posted by Lena

Dear Susanstotz, this was actually not meant as moral lesson, but was just my point of view. I just tried to judge this situation by making different points, and by offering different views. All posters tell here their views of situations-in a friendly and respectful way. And yes, this is now a moral lesson (to you)

Lena,

thank you very much

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by susanstotz

re the mink coat of MT (I do not like mink coats, makes women look like giant squirrels) at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest woudl be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.

I don't know what the temperature was exactly but it seemed to have been at least a chill in the air. I saw a few pictures of Queen Sofia exiting the church and she was clutching her jacket closer to her. And mink isn't just about keeping warm either; Maria Teresa's jacket could've been very light weight or even fake fur -- diminishing the point of it being a social status at all.

I don't think that Maria Teresa intended the mink coat to be a jab at her mother in law or something to make a point of any sort to anyone. Lots of women, those who were born royal and those who have married into royal households were wearing fur to some extent. Queen Beatrix wore a fur hat and her cloak was trimmed with fur.

[bad_barbarella]

I still dont believe that the two had problems... it could just be a big ruhmour that spread over the years... mabye they weren't close at the start, then grew on each other...

[hillary_nugent]

It's just the 'in-law' myth you know the one how the mother-in-law is suppose to be horrid ^___^

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

I don't know what the temperature was exactly but it seemed to have been at least a chill in the air.

Snow has already fallen, so it is pretty cold there.

[hillary_nugent]

Originally Posted by susanstotz

re the mink coat of MT (I do not like mink coats, makes women look like giant squirrels) at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest woudl be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.

maybe the coat MT wore was the only coat she had then that was black and not to flashy...everyone was wearing coats so maybe it was a bit chilly...i don't think MT wore the coat to spite JC or anything of that sort...

[KatieLouise]

Yes, let's be fair - I'm sure the clothes that Maria Teresa wore had no deeper, spiteful meaning.

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

After all, it was such a sad funeral, I don't think MT would have wanted to spite JC.

[Nathalian]

I belive she didn´t wore those coat just to be superior.....please, even if she hated JC, MT was very sad, crying at the funeral, she respected JC.....And, I don´t think that clothes is a way of saying that you´re best then another person...

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

She was crying? I didn't see her crying.

[RoseMary]

I think MT had a respect for JC as far as the role of Grand Duchess. I can say that there was tension between the two because of JC conservative views on marriage. JC wanted Henri to marry a blueblood. JC herself was born a blueblood so her reaction to Henri marry a regular girl is not surprising.

JC did at times come across as cold. She and MT did/do alot of charity and humanitarian work. Whether or not MT cried is a guess because most of the pictures are repeats of eachother so you have some 24 pictures and half are repeats. I didn't cry at my uncles funeral so not crying doesn't mean she was upset. I don't think that JC and MT had cat fights on a regular basis but I hope towards the end they made an attempt to bury the hatchet.

[gaggleofcrazypeople]

Well, I've heard that many bluebloods are cold.

[bad_barbarella]

is it snowing in luxembourg?

[hillary_nugent]

Originally Posted by gaggleofcrazypeople

Well, I've heard that many bluebloods are cold.

maybe they may seem cold to commoners because they don't know how to act around commoner...hahaha so they're reserved and feeling awkward...or maybe their incredibly self conscious around commoners hehehe