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Oh, ok. I was getting a little confused. So back on MT and JC, do you think that MT now feels really bad about it?
"Then maybe in the long run, MT made it pretty easy for JC to treat her with no respect. It´s IMO also pretty human, that you take advantage of a situation of power (MT tried probably all to please her mother-in-law)."Lena said:Looking at the whole discussion, I wouldn´t say either, that Josephine Charlotte was a bad person! She surely had her faults...pretty "human" faults, if you ask me. Conflicts between mother-in-laws and daughter-in-laws are pretty normal! A mother wants only the best for her son...and in the case of JC the "best" was defined through her education. Then maybe in the long run, MT made it pretty easy for JC to treat her with no respect. It´s IMO also pretty human, that you take advantage of a situation of power (MT tried probably all to please her mother-in-law). So maybe the little revenge of MT in 2002 (to talk to the press) was finally a connecting factor/point for those 2 women. And JC has seen, that she can´t do all with her daughter-in-law, what she wants.
Of course I can´t say, if I´m right, I can only hope, they have made peace, before JC passed away. And I would say, we shouldn´t take this conflict as only factor to judge JC´s life. Since we aren´t part of the grand ducal family (but live in own families with own problems) , it´s not up to us to judge their family life, we should rather focus on the things JC has done for Luxembourg and the world.
I don't know what the temperature was exactly but it seemed to have been at least a chill in the air. I saw a few pictures of Queen Sofia exiting the church and she was clutching her jacket closer to her. And mink isn't just about keeping warm either; Maria Teresa's jacket could've been very light weight or even fake fur -- diminishing the point of it being a social status at all.susanstotz said:re the mink coat of MT (I do not like mink coats, makes women look like giant squirrels) at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest woudl be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.
Snow has already fallen, so it is pretty cold there.Alexandria said:I don't know what the temperature was exactly but it seemed to have been at least a chill in the air.
maybe the coat MT wore was the only coat she had then that was black and not to flashy...everyone was wearing coats so maybe it was a bit chilly...i don't think MT wore the coat to spite JC or anything of that sort...susanstotz said:re the mink coat of MT (I do not like mink coats, makes women look like giant squirrels) at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest woudl be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.
Trust me, I speak from experience.....some Mothers in law are indeed horrible! Just because some one is royal does NOT make them nice to the person 'who is not good enough' for their precious 'baby'. even after that 'not good enough' person has been a great spouse to MIL's 'baby' for decades!hillary_nugent said:It's just the 'in-law' myth you know the one how the mother-in-law is suppose to be horrid ^___^
Isn't it true that a friend of the family set up Henri and MT? So when did she become unsuitable to JC I wonder?
Royal historian said:why could nt maria teresa come with the fact that her mother in law dislike her because she's intitle.obviously if she didnt want to be in this mess she should have refuse to marry the grand duke and urge him to marry the kind of woman his parent wish him to marry maria had done nothing wrong except the fact that she's the first cuban woman who enter one of europe monarchy and the fact that her family had to be exile might makes grand duchess cj anxious cause marisa family maybe some foreign fugitive. but i must say grand duke henry was tough because to get your father approval to which a woman everymember of your family were not to accept now that is tough
why could nt maria teresa come with the fact that her mother in law dislike her because she's intitle.obviously if she didnt want to be in this mess she should have refuse to marry the grand duke and urge him to marry the kind of woman his parent wish him to marry maria had done nothing wrong except the fact that she's the first cuban woman who enter one of europe monarchy and the fact that her family had to be exile might makes grand duchess cj anxious cause marisa family maybe some foreign fugitive. but i must say grand duke henry was tough because to get your father approval to which a woman everymember of your family were not to accept now that is tough
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re the mink coat of MT at the funeral, strange that considering how her mother in law might have thought her not good enough she chose to wear a status symbol at the funeral, something modest would be more sympathetic. it is not that cold in Luxemburg.
As far as I know Josephine Charlotte supported her son in marrying a commoner, she persuaded her husband to accept the union. It was GDss Charlotte who had more doubts but she warmed up to MT later. The relationship between JC and MT was said to be a troubled one, but that has other reasons than that MT was a commoner.
Henri was interested in Countess Catherine de Limburg-Stirum (daughter of Princess Helene of France) but she didn't fancy a future as Grand Duchess.
It is said that after JC's stroke she changed a bit, also towards MT. But she she is usually discribed as a 'difficult' woman, also before the stroke. She was supposed to be like this to all her children-in-law, not only Maria Theresa.
Maria Teresa comes from a VERY wealthy family. She and her family wore fur long before she became a Grand Duchess. In fact, her wedding dress was trimmed with fur, as were the coats that she and her mother wore on the day they took the train to Luxembourg (from Paris?) to meet Henri at the border before the wedding. I have seen pictures of Maria Teresa's sister and sister-in-law wearing fur, along with her grandmother. I don't think MT thinks twice about wearing fur. (BTW, I found Luxembourg very chilly and damp when I visited.)
well i think henri marriage with catherine oxenberg would have been splendid one and j-c- nerve would have been much calm and happy toward a noble daughter in law and i dislike when princes threaten to give up their place to the throne if they are not allow to marry who they want i believe one should not ask for too much of life and accept what is possible and your fate