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Old 09-04-2013, 04:45 PM
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WHY WHY WHY
Why is she so desperate to 'reestablish a relationship' with a LOSER who is not a man enough to say he s ur dad...



And she seems eager to be rebuffed again and again in a much more brusque manner..And she gets a pleasure from being rebuffed.



I bet long back everyone in the picture..right from her stepfather's stepkids to Albert's extended family knew who is her father..
And what does she mean 'widely known'? Should it be written in Encyclopedia Britannica and Wikipedia (the latter will do,anyway)
And what is this 'legally established'?


Either she is a silly, sentimental fool with absolutely zero dignity and self-respect, ready to manipulated by every useless a*****e on earth, and still craving for their love/recognition/relationship..

Or she is a just another hopeless schemer, trying to live off a few days selling gossip..

3rd option is she delusional in thinking that approaching the matter in this extremely public way will bring her closer to King Albert's family.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:47 PM
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Thank you for the very informative post, cdm!

The timeline is most helpful, and I agree with your summary at the end.

It will be quite interesting to see how this plays out.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:47 PM
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Either way, it seems as though you possess a strong (and completely rational, one is sure) dislike for Delphine BoŽl.
Ohh thanks for atleast qualifying my 'dislike' as completely rational..
Actually my dislike is not for Delphine Boel..but its for all this messy nonsense, which is totally unnecessary in the first place..atleast what I feel.
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Old 09-04-2013, 05:26 PM
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Actually my dislike is not for Delphine Boel..but its for all this messy nonsense, which is totally unnecessary in the first place..atleast what I feel.
Many people feel similarly to the way that you do about this whole situation.

Whether it was necessary is debatable as far as we the public are concerned. Obviously, Delphine BoŽl feels that it is necessary. King Albert (or Queen Paola or whoever is advising them) also must feel that it is necessary as they have refused/are refusing to put the matter to rest by handling this case in a totally unreasonable fashion.

It does not make sense to visit upon the child (not just Delphine BoŽl, but also King Philippe, Princess Astrid, and Prince Laurent) the sins of the parents (be they Sybille de Sťlys Longchamps or King Albert or Queen Paola or even Jacques BoŽl). One could say that the vitriol and attacks directed against Delphine BoŽl are being misdirected. She is entitled to seek to correct any misinformation about her biological beginnings/legal identity if she so desires (look at the Romanian Royal Family and the Lambrinos, for example).
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Old 09-04-2013, 05:54 PM
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No matter what one thinks of this case, it is inhumane to refuse to recognize one's child. Sooner or later a person wants to know who his or her parents are and wants recognition. Not to inherit money, but to feel as complete as possible in a situation like this.

It is obvious the royal family itself knows Delphine is Albert's daughter. The former monarch is in the last part of his life, now is the time to confront old demons and to owe another human being, of his own flesh and blood, peace of mind.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:09 PM
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No matter what one thinks of this case, it is inhumane to refuse to recognize one's child. Sooner or later a person wants to know who his or her parents are and wants recognition. Not to inherit money, but to feel as complete as possible in a situation like this.

It is obvious the royal family itself knows Delphine is Albert's daughter. The former monarch is in the last part of his life, now is the time to confront old demons and to owe another human being, of his own flesh and blood, peace of mind.
Except everything indicates that Delphine was privately acknowledged by Albert right up until she started to publicly speak about this. To me, that's not necessarily him being a horrible person as it is him trying to keep his private life private.

Albert can be wronged for many things, including how he chose to treat both his legitimate and illegitimately born children at various points in their lives depending on his relationship with their respective mothers. He left his legitimate children when his marriage was falling apart, and then when he reconciled with his wife he left his illegitimate daughter. However he continued to provide for them, in a manner, even when he wasn't there, and continued to do so with Delphine up until she went public with things.

This isn't her seeking out her father. She had a father in as best as she was likely to get in 2000, and had she privately sought out a relationship with him or his children, things may have been different. Instead she has chosen to go public and increasingly act in a manner that can be seen as a vindictive attempt to ruin the image of her father. In many ways her behaviour is just as questionable as his.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:17 PM
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Delphine did not go public with the information in 2000. That is when contact was broken off sans explanation by the palace. In retrospect, they likely regret that move.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:24 PM
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Just get it over and done with. 99% of the Belgian people believe she is his daughter. Let him acknowledge that and put it to rest. Even though she might not have chosen the most clever way, let him be the humble and wise one.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:30 PM
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Delphine did not go public with the information in 2000. That is when contact was broken off sans explanation by the palace. In retrospect, they likely regret that move.
Sorry, you're right. I was misremembering the timeline posted.

Re-reading it, it seems that the contact was broken off following the affair becoming public knowledge, even if Delphine wasn't responsible for that. The book was published in 1999, contact ended in 2000. It almost seems like there was an "oh no, we have to cover up this" moment and that's why contact ended.

I still stand by the argument that Delphine's actions are a deliberate attack of Albert because contact ended and she wants the publicity. So long as Albert and his family don't comment Delphine is able to continue to garner publicity from this.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:44 PM
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This evening, first part of a huge program about the Delphine story, very long and detailed interview of her mother.
I refused to watch, I am disgusted, what happens in a couple must remain in the couple I think.
To reveal intimate details of a relationship won't help the case I think. And I think it will change the opinion of right thinking people and not in her favour.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:02 PM
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Delphine did not ask to be born. She was the innocent child. I can see her wanting the truth established. Too bad Albert wasn't man enough to admit fathering her.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:10 PM
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...... what happens in a couple must remain in the couple I think.
I agree, but when what happens in a couple ends up producing a child, the game changes. The person their affair created has rights quite independent from those of her parents.
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Albert and Paola got married, had some kids, had some affairs, one of them likely had another kid with someone they werent married to, they stopped having affairs and got back together. Paola did nothing to Sybille. She decided to fight for her marriage and won. Sybille looks like the woman scorned here, particularly airing dirty laundry now. Paola may have encouraged Albert to deny Delphine, but we don't know that for sure. And if she did, Albert didn't have to listen to her. He chose, and is choosing to deny her existence. Tough to do given she is a carbon copy of Queen Astrid, but so be it.
Hammering this out in a public forum is never going to accomplish a good result. I think at this point this is too far gone. It's very sad
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Delphine did not ask to be born. She was the innocent child. I can see her wanting the truth established. Too bad Albert wasn't man enough to admit fathering her.
She was an innocent, but isn't any longer. Albert privately acknowledged her and she was generally known to be the illegitimate daughter, so why this messy drama?

She isn't an innocent kid, she isn't an innocent adolescent; she's a fully grown woman and is acting out her issues on the RF. Paola had every right to want her marriage to succeed and I don't think Delphine's life was deprived of material security and as far as I know, her legal father and stepfather loved and provided amply for her to live a good life.

I don't hear any stories about her going without food and clothes and she does have an art degree and art degrees are often for the posh.
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But what created those issues. I think there are too many things that we do not know.
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Old 09-05-2013, 01:28 AM
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Paola had every right to want her marriage to succeed
But at what price? We don't have all the details of the estrangement, and I do think there is a limit to what one spouse should require of the other. I believe it would be unconscionable to require your husband to essentially disown a child he had fathered and acknowledged and actually lived with during the period of estrangement. And weak of him to accept those terms.

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and I don't think Delphine's life was deprived of material security and as far as I know, her legal father and stepfather loved and provided amply for her to live a good life.

I don't hear any stories about her going without food and clothes and she does have an art degree and art degrees are often for the posh.
Material security is not everything. And no amount of paperwork or legal niceties can make Mr Boel her real father if he is not.
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But what created those issues. I think there are too many things that we do not know.
There has to be something more we don't know about.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:55 AM
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It is a bit rich to act as if Queen Paola "fought" to save her marriage. The Queen and King Albert contributed to their serious marital crisis by their childish and selfish actions, both of them had affairs with other people. The only difference between the two spouses is that Albert (allegedly) sired a child with his long-term lover (because apparently the King and his amour did not use protection owing to the fact that Sybille de Sťlys Longchamps believed herself to be infertile...well, turns out her first husband was the one suffering from that condition).

Furthermore, the comparisons between Queen Paola and the late Diana, Princess of Wales, are not really viable. At the time of their marriage, the Prince of Wales was still in love with another woman and Lady Diana Spencer was a young, inexperienced, naive girl - their feelings do not seem to have been mutual - they were not on the same page. Conversely, Albert and Paola contracted a union based on mutual attraction and passion, and then they both went their separate ways for quite some time once they ran into difficulties.

No, no - Queen Paola did not fight to save her marriage. She simply did not have any serious reason to abandon it, unlike her husband. The divorce conditions that were to be imposed upon King Albert had he split from Paola were intolerable, so the marriage theoretically remained intact until such a time as the actual reconciliation between the couple took place.
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This is my last thread about Baroness Sybille.
To tell a love story they are two and we heard only hers.
With a lot of dignity She said that:
1. her own mother did not like her and loved another man when she was pregnant. Sybille did not speak during 12 years only yes and no !
2 She marries Jacques Boel and they were not happy
3 She met when she was in Greece because her father Ambassador for belgium was will , Prince Albert whose boat had problems. Although the boat was repaired the Prince stayed 3 weeks.
4 She fell in love , King Baudouin invited his Father in Spain asking him to insist that the relation should stop. Sybille did it but they fell in love again
6. her unexpected pregnancy because she thought she could not have children and then Delphine bad hidden conditions birth but she was "l'enfant de l'amour." and the 3 others ???
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7. To a journalist ,she should have never criticized Prince Albert's behavior with his own Children nor that Paola had a very bad character. They are Royal Highnesses and still alive and that is private.
8. Her interview had to be public when King Albert abdicated or died and she said about our new King Philip he has " une sorte d'autisme " which is very harsh .
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Conclusion of a Lawyer
1. King Philippe may not recognize a half sister
2. King Albert may not recognize Delphine as his daughter , before the law she is officially Jacques Boel daughter.

MY conclusion and this is my last sentence in this thread , this interview will give money to the bankrupt Delphine.
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I didn't find her that harsh. Her point was that it was/is difficult for Philippe to communicate, esp. in the past. I think that has been visible to all of us. She added her own experience (not talking until the age of 12). But she also said that she would not be surprised if king Philippe will do well and will grow when he steps out of his father's shadow. And I think all of us have seen that the last month already.

She was most harsh about Paola, although even there she showed some understanding as she thought that also Paola was very unhappy during that period in her life.
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