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Old 02-04-2015, 02:34 AM
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State visit to Australia: February 23 - 27, 2015

Their Majesties The King and Queen conduct a state visit to Australia
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The royal website has some information on the visit and brief program click here

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Old 02-04-2015, 04:16 AM
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That's great news!
I wonder how much CP Mary has been talking up Australia
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Old 02-04-2015, 05:51 AM
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That's great news!
I wonder how much CP Mary has been talking up Australia
It's a State Visit from Norway, so CP Mary can hardly have influenced it . But it's great news, one more SV on the calendar.

Does anyone here know which dress code the Australian government uses for their State Banquets?
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:16 AM
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It's a State Visit from Norway, so CP Mary can hardly have influenced it . But it's great news, one more SV on the calendar.

Does anyone here know which dress code the Australian government uses for their State Banquets?
I think it'll be black tie.
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Old 02-04-2015, 06:28 AM
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Is there to be a State Banquet though? The programme I saw has them having discussions with the GG and the PM and then opening some stuff. No mention of a state banquet. If there is one it would be black tie at best and rather informal in many ways. The only time I can remember anything like a State Banquet in Australia has been when The Queen of Australia has attended and once when the US President was here and that did the republicans a lot of good as the toast was to The Queen of Australia - who of course wasn't present - how we can have a State Banquet when the Head of State is in London I really don't know.


I just went to the Australian Government Website and did a search for 'King and Queen of Norway - State Visit' and got '0 matching results'. I have found no mention of this in any Australian media outlet either. Prime Minister of Australia's website also returns 'no result' as did the GG's website.
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Old 02-08-2015, 06:42 PM
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Their Majesties The King and Queen conduct a state visit to Australia
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The royal website has some information on the visit and brief program click here

Source: www.royalcourt.no
I was wondering: How could this be a "state visit" when the King and Queen of Norway are NOT heads of state? Aren't they merely figureheads? I can't imagine them visiting the U.S. and being feted at the White House with a state dinner. Of course, the British royals are an exception. When the Queen visits on official business she is ALWAYS given a state dinner.
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Old 02-08-2015, 07:00 PM
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The King of Norway is most certainly the Head of State of Norway.


Not every country has a political Head of State. Nor does every country have a Head of State who is also the Head of the Government. That is the situation in the US of course where the Head of State is both political and the Head of the Government.


In constitutional monarchies - the monarch is the Head of State - a figurehead - with political power resting in the elected politicians with an elected Head of Government such as a PM.


Germany and Ireland are republics with a figureheads as Heads of State as they aren't part of the actual political process. The Chancellor of Germany is the Head of the Government and there is a PM (can't remember the Irish term for this person) who Heads the Government in Ireland.


A better question is why is this a State Visit when the Head of State of Australia lives in the UK?


I would expect the US to treat the Head of State of Norway - the King - with a State dinner - just as they would the Queen of Denmark, the King of Sweden, the King of The Netherlands, The King of the Belgians, The King of Spain or the Emperor of Japan - all of these people are Heads of State but not involved in the day to day government of their country in a political sense although some have more involvement than others, depending on the actual constitutions.
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In 2009 the King and Queen of Spain (Juan Carlos & Sofia) paid a state visit to Australia I think the dinner was black tie and at the dinner they toasted Her Majesty the Queen of Australia, as did The King and Queen of Sweden when they paid a state visit to Australia in 2005
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I can't find anything about the visit on our federal government's web site.

But perhaps Their Majesties are actually going to be visiting Austria.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:29 AM
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But the Head of State of Australia wasn't actually present was she? A great argument for us to become a republic so we don't have these sorts of embarrassments. The fact that this event will probably receive no coverage in the mainline Australian press is the reason why most Australians won't cringe - they won't know it is happening.
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But the Head of State of Australia wasn't actually present was she? A great argument for us to become a republic so we don't have these sorts of embarrassments. The fact that this event will probably receive no coverage in the mainline Australian press is the reason why most Australians won't cringe - they won't know it is happening.
I agree. I find it hugely embarrassing that we don't have our own Head of State who can host dos like this. They will be toasting a foreign woman who lives on the other side of the world.

Why on earth are the Norwegian Royals coming here for a State Visit anyway?
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The King and Queen of Norway are coming here on a State Visit because they have been invited by the Australian Government. It is perfectly normal for the Governor-General to host a State Visit to Australia (as, in recent years, it is for the Governor-General to make State Visits to other countries). The last one was from the President of Ukraine in December. If there is a State Dinner for the King and Queen of Norway, the Loyal Toast will be to "The Queen and the people of Australia". Nothing embarrassing about that, particularly as it is probably safe to assume the King of Norway understands our constitutional framework.

The State Dinner for the King and Queen of Sweden in 2005 was black tie with orders, and Queen Silvia wore a tiara. While the setting of Government-House at Yarralumla is not particularly grand, there does seem to be a degree of formality on such occasions.
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If there is a State Dinner for the King and Queen of Norway, the Loyal Toast will be to "The Queen and the people of Australia". Nothing embarrassing about that, particularly as it is probably safe to assume the King of Norway understands our constitutional framework.
I reserve the right to be embarrassed. Australia will not be truly independent until we rid ourselves of the final shackle to our colonial past and have a Head of State who owes his/her primary loyalty to Australia.

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The State Dinner for the King and Queen of Sweden in 2005 was black tie with orders, and Queen Silvia wore a tiara. While the setting of Government-House at Yarralumla is not particularly grand, there does seem to be a degree of formality on such occasions.
Yarralumla is as grand as our Government House needs to be.
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In Norway, the monarch is head of state, while the prime minister is head of government.

When the Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Belgian and Spanish monarch etc has been on a state visit to each other's countries or to the UK and Japan a State Banquet has always been held.

When they have been on a state visit to countries that are republics, Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Finland and Ireland etc a state banquet / dinner have been held for them. They meet the monarch / the president and the prime minister.

It's not called a state visits when they are visiting the United States and it's not always they get to meet the president. It is not a priority for the US government to meet constitutional monarchs from small countries.

When they are on state visits / visits to others countries, they sometimes meets the monarch, the president, the prime minister and a Banquet may be held.
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I think it's quite exciting that the Norwegian King and Queen are coming here for a State visit and will have a State dinner in their honour. I understand this is the first time we have had a State visit from the Norwegians and I hope they are shown a very good time. I understand they will be visiting Canberra and Sydney and Perth, which will certainly give them an idea of the size of this country. They will fly over the vast outback and should have a good view of it. If they take the route we flew to Perth, they will fly over the Southern Ocean and get a good view of the Great Australian Bight.
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King Olav V made a State Visit to the United States in 1968, but King Harald V has not.

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Interestingly, the visit by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of India in 2009 is listed as an Official State visit. That fits in with the theory that "Head of State" was originally a diplomatic term to describe a function, rather than the constitutionally or legally defined Head of State.

Some Australian monarchists have painted themselves into a corner by insisting that the Governor-General is The Head of State, as it begs the question of what then is the Queen? The Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia does not mention a Head of State, so I don't see the point of getting bogged down in establishing beyond doubt who is and who isn't. I prefer to call the Queen the Queen, and the Governor-General the Governor-General. Either of them can be described, if necessary, as functioning as a head of state depending on the circumstances.

If there are any cheap flights I might pop up to Sydney for the day to see the King and Queen of Norway.
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I reserve the right to be embarrassed. Australia will not be truly independent until we rid ourselves of the final shackle to our colonial past and have a Head of State who owes his/her primary loyalty to Australia.
The republican argument is a clear one. Just a pity that not enough Aussies seem to buy it.
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