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Old 08-08-2016, 06:56 PM
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I find the poll of 85 % interesting.

I wonder if that could be interpreted as the Emperor's words having much more weight than the politicians perhaps think, if he should break with protocol and decide to speak against the establishment?
If so, that fact should not have escaped the attentions of the politicians.
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In advance of the Emperor's speech, Mainichi reported that the government was preparing to appoint a regent, while Yomiuri reported that the government was considering a one-time abdication law.

Special law mulled for one-time abdication - The Japan News
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The government is considering special legislation that would allow only the present Emperor to abdicate the throne, according to sources. […]

If a stipulation for abdication were added to the [Imperial House] law, major issues would include whether it was possible to clearly define the circumstances under which abdication was allowed and what the related procedures would be.

This is because it would be necessary to eradicate the possibility that a future emperor could be forced to abdicate due to political pressure, or that an emperor could seek to abdicate without proper reason. […]

Because the special law will only apply to the present Emperor, government officials said it will be easier to gain the understanding of the public, who are concerned about the health of the elderly Emperor.
Emperor's wish to abdicate raises question of how Imperial Throne should be handed over - The Mainichi

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In response to the Emperor's wishes, a secret team within the government has begun preparations to submit to the regular Diet session next year a bill to amend the Imperial House Law to appoint Crown Prince Naruhito as regent for the Emperor.

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There are several possible reasons why the Emperor prefers to abdicate rather than have a regent appointed for him.

When he was crown prince, Emperor Akihito assisted and served as a proxy for Emperor Hirohito over about a 1 1/2-year period after the late emperor's health condition worsened in September 1987. Emperor Akihito was not appointed as a regent for Emperor Hirohito, posthumously named Emperor Showa, but appears to have felt the limits to serving as a proxy for the Emperor.

The Emperor also apparently is keeping in mind that Emperor Showa served as a regent for his father Emperor Taisho, who was undergoing medical treatment for illness, for about five years […] history shows that the political and economic situation tends to be turbulent at the time of Imperial succession.
Muhler, are you referring to the Asahi Shimbun poll? It was conducted ahead of the speech, on August 6-7.
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Old 08-09-2016, 04:09 AM
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Powerstruggle the japanese way, fascinating to see.
Japan?s emperor prepares the nation for his abdication, says health is failing
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The idea (of abdication) has sparked opposition from Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s conservative base, which worries that debate on the imperial family’s future could widen to the topic of letting women inherit and pass on the throne, anathema to traditionalists.
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Old 08-09-2016, 04:14 AM
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Old 08-09-2016, 05:14 AM
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If it's not legal to abdicate and the emperor feels like his health won't let him to his duties, is it easier to just set up a regency with the Crown Prince as regent instead of trying to a pass a law?


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That would do in other Monarchies perhaps,but not so in Japan where the IHA rules the Court and everyone in it,including HM The Emperor.He can not make a move out of the ordinary without the IHA dictating it.As I said,a commission will be installed to advice Parliament...and that will take some years as the conservative members in both parliament and the IHA are against Abdication as it is against the Imperial Law...Well,kick their *sses and change the darn Law and let HM Abdicate as and when he wishes!!It is his right to decide about His own life.It is medieval to,like in this case,force someone to remain on the Throne till death do us part....Insane almost in this day and age..The IHA should be dealt and done away with and replaced by a body that respects,acts & supports the Court according to society in the 21st century AD,not BC..And once that is done,an Imperial Decree would/could deal with the succession and let the then Crown Princess become Empress in due time......Or so I'd wish!!..
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Old 08-09-2016, 12:10 PM
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The complete encapsulation of the Emperor as a purely ceremonial figure with absolutely no power and even avoiding any possible hint to "influence" is nothing mediaeval but introduced by the USA in their drafted Constitution of 1947. That was the only option Japan had to keep a war criminal out of the tribunals and to avoid China's example, where the monarchy was abolished.

Emperor Hirohito , before 1945, could have announced his wish to abdicate. After 1945 he could only be a silent and serene figurehead locked in an imperial compound and guarded by the IHA. The prize for WWII.

The same reason why Japan is extemely cautious to use its armed forces outside the country, even for UN-missions. Like in Germany there are blockades to prevent major military deployment. Recently Donald Trump mocked about the Japanese watching on their Sony-tv's how America is attacked. Of course ignorant Trump has no idea why things are as these are in Japan and America's decisive role in that...
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Japan's Abe 'takes seriously' emperor's public address- Nikkei Asian Review
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"I take seriously the fact that the emperor made his feelings known to the public," Abe told reporters. "I deeply feel for his concerns in light of his age and burdens from public duties, and we will need to think about what we can do with regard to his public duties and related matters," he said.
Abe to give careful consideration to emperor's message - The Mainichi
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"(The emperor's words) are not remarks that would exert an influence on the government, so I do not feel they present any issue related to the Constitution," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told a press conference following the release of the message.
Govt. reviewing Emperor's official duties - News - NHK WORLD - English
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Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga says the government should continue to review the Emperor's official duties in line with the Constitution.
Legal revisions to allow Emperor's abdication could take long time - The Mainichi
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For these reasons, a view earlier emerged among the government and ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) that the situation should be addressed by reducing the Emperor's duties or setting up a regency to take over the Emperor's activities in matters of state as the need arose. However as Emperor Akihito expressed a negative view toward perpetually reducing his official duties or setting up a regency, it is believed that consideration of abdication is now likely to begin. This year, a top secret team was formed at the prime minister's office under Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kazuhiro Sugita, and confidential consideration of the Emperor's abdication went ahead. However, it appears that no preparations have been made, as indicated by a comment by an official at the prime minister's office who said, "I haven't heard about the issue at all."
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Will the Japanese Akihito be allowed to abdicate?


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Old 08-10-2016, 05:17 AM
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Forgive me for being cynical, but this smells like a: "If we do nothing, perhaps the whole problem will go over by itself - and with a little bit of luck the Emperor will die before this becomes a genuine issue..."
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:36 AM
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time is on the side of the IHA.
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Old 08-10-2016, 05:58 AM
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Emperor held regular talks with sons before his broadcast: The Asahi Shimbun
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Old 08-10-2016, 06:23 AM
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Forgive me for being cynical, but this smells like a: "If we do nothing, perhaps the whole problem will go over by itself - and with a little bit of luck the Emperor will die before this becomes a genuine issue..."
Yes, it's one way of looking at it! It is reminiscent of the "debate" surrounding the succession issue, of which nothing happened and then Prince Hisahoto was born and it all went away again.

It is difficult situation for the Emperor - he has modernised his role as far as it is ever possible for an Emperor to do such a thing, and in turn he seems to be a modern/progressive thinker as to the role and abilities required of his position.

It seems his main focus is the connection between himself and the people and his ability to physically maintain that connection is vitally important to him - not only on a personal level but in the sense of being a symbolic focus for the people. He fears what affect his health and abilities are having on the people of Japan or will have if his health deteriorates.

From my understanding of his address, it all makes me think that he wants a smooth transition now whilst he is still alive and not a sudden transition through death. But he is caught between a rock and a hard place....he cannot abdicate, he doesn't want a continual reduction in his duties (which goes against how he feels an Emperor's role should be carried out).

A proper regency seems the only option and would be a de-facto situation anyway if Crown Prince Naruhito carries out an ever increasing amount of duties on behalf of his father.
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Old 08-10-2016, 09:59 AM
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[...]. But he is caught between a rock and a hard place....he cannot abdicate, he doesn't want a continual reduction in his duties (which goes against how he feels an Emperor's role should be carried out).

A proper regency seems the only option and would be a de-facto situation anyway if Crown Prince Naruhito carries out an ever increasing amount of duties on behalf of his father.
In the first sentence of the quote above, you have already answered why a regency is no option for the Emperor, as you suggested in the last sentence.
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Old 08-10-2016, 02:10 PM
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Emperor began to consider abdicating after blood found in stomach 8 years ago - The Mainichi

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Emperor Akihito began to consider abdicating after traces of bleeding were found in his stomach eight years ago, a source close to the Imperial Household Agency said.

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The source recalls that the Emperor "began to wonder whether he could remain in his position as the Emperor if he became unable to fulfill his duties."

Emperor Akihito began reviewing examples of the abdication of past emperors and the royal systems of other countries. In particular, the Emperor became interested in abdication systems in Europe. He also studied a regency system.

His father Emperor Showa served as a regent for ailing Emperor Taisho when Emperor Showa was crown prince. Emperor Akihito read documents about his father serving as a regent.

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A news conference that [Imperial Household] agency chief Noriyuki Kazaoka held immediately after the release of the video message lasted for about 50 minutes.

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"I felt His Majesty's serious strain when I learned that he's been worried that it could be difficult for him to fulfill his duties due to a decline in his fitness level because of his advancing age. The Imperial Household Agency hopes that His Majesty's thoughts will be understood by the people," he said.

It is an unwritten rule that the Imperial Household Agency cannot speak on behalf of the Emperor. Nevertheless, Kazaoka dared to emphasize the serious strain of the Emperor.
Emperor began to develop frank views on his role as symbol of State several years ago - The Mainichi

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Emperor Akihito began to develop his thoughts about his official duties to be carried out as the symbol of the State some five or six years ago, according to the Imperial Household Agency. […]

In April 2015, the Emperor carried out his long-cherished plan to visit Palau's Peleliu Island to pay respects to those who died there during World War II. He also expressed his "deep remorse" over the war for the first time at an annual national memorial service for the war dead in August 2015. He has attended the national memorial service every year. 2015 marked the year in which the Emperor's wishes for peace were condensed through his remembrance of the war dead, which he had valued, among other duties. The fact that the Emperor himself carried out such duties without a hitch had "served as a turning point," said an Imperial Household Agency source.
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Forgive me for being cynical, but this smells like a: "If we do nothing, perhaps the whole problem will go over by itself - and with a little bit of luck the Emperor will die before this becomes a genuine issue..."
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Old 08-10-2016, 03:01 PM
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The interesting about Emperor Akihito is that he as far as he could has been a counterweight to the nationalists, so one could imagine that the nationalists wouldn't be that sorry to see him go.
But on the other hand an abdication opens up for the possibility of a future emperor abdication for political reasons or in protest or threatening to do so.

The Emperor has always both in Japan and on visits abroad been keen to emphasize that what happened during WWII shouldn't be swept under the carpet - something the nationalists in particular and I dare say the Japanese in general have a tendency to do.
No least because the education sector don't focus that much on Japanese atrocities, or at least down-scale them - while making a lot of effort in portraying Japan as the victims of the first nuclear attacks.

So while the Emperor during visits abroad have consistently shown respect for the victims in WWII (some might argue that WWII really started in the early 1930's rather than in 1939) and spoken up for peaceful relations between nations, the nationalists have been much more reluctant. Also in regards to honoring Japanese who committed atrocities at a famous shrine in Tokyo (I can't remember the name off hand). A Shinto-shrine where the spirits of dead warriors gather before moving on to the afterlife and where relatives are honoring their dead forebears.
That quite a number of present day leaders within Japanese economy, politics, industry and media had grandfathers who did, shall we say questionable things during WWII, doesn't make the whole issue less complicated! They feel they cannot distance themselves from their ancestors. That would be a loss of face and a dereliction of their Shinto duty to the spirits of their ancestors.

Anyway, the nationalists, who have a tendency to paint the Japanese militarism in more cheerful colors have seriously pissed off their neighbors! Not least China and Korea.
In that respect Emperor Akihito is a counter-balance to that and evidence that more internationally minded Japanese are at least mindful of the past.

I imagine his son, is equally broad-minded. That at least is the impression I have of him. So the nationalists may fear having a younger and more vigorous emperor on their hands should Akihito abdicate.
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Old 08-11-2016, 08:58 AM
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Around 87% of Japanese would support Emperor's abdication | The Japan Times | Kyodo, Jiji

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In a telephone survey conducted Monday and Tuesday, 86.6 percent of the respondents said it would be better to enable abdication, which is not covered under the Imperial House Law. […] The figure in this poll compares with 85.7 percent who said they thought the Emperor should be able to abdicate in a survey conducted last week before Monday’s video message was broadcast on national TV. […]

In the survey, 83 percent said they understood the Emperor’s message or they understood it to some extent, with the percentage being particularly high for older respondents.

Regarding the Emperor’s public duties, 81.9 percent said it is better to enable the Emperor to abdicate if it becomes difficult for him to carry out his duties, while 13.4 percent said he should not abdicate even in that event.

On taking legal steps toward allowing an abdication, 54.1 percent said procedures should be initiated immediately, while 42.8 percent said the matter should be considered carefully.

The survey indicated public opposition toward adopting an ad-hoc law pertaining only to Emperor Akihito, with 76.6 percent saying new legislation should allow abdication for all future emperors.

On the Emperor making a statement that could prompt the government to revise the law or enact new legislation, 72.6 percent said the Emperor’s remarks present no issues in terms of compatibility with the Constitution, while 16.2 percent said they do.

The latest survey covered 1,442 randomly selected households with eligible voters across Japan, and it received valid responses from 1,008 people.
Many hurdles to legal changes to allow abdication of emperor:The Asahi Shimbun
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There are some in the government who support presenting a special law that would allow for an abdication, but would only apply to Akihito. Once that special law was passed, debate would then shift to revising the Imperial House Law.

But that two-step process could violate the Constitution because Article 2 states, "The Imperial throne shall be dynastic and succeeded to in accordance with the Imperial House Law passed by the Diet."
Japan to consider legal options for abdication- Nikkei Asian Review
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Faced with this prospect, some in government have proposed enacting a special law permitting abdication in just this one case. […] But this approach could raise questions about consistency with Article 2 of the constitution, which states that "the Imperial Throne shall be dynastic and succeeded to in accordance with the Imperial House Law passed by the Diet." Some experts anticipate no constitutional problems if the Imperial House Law is revised as necessary afterward. But such a move risks criticism that using an ad hoc law to change the emperor's status sets a bad precedent.
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Which matters more - that he is able to perform his ceremonial role or that he not abdicate? Were he to become incapable of performing his ceremonial role, what would they do? Would they force his transport to events? Or would they let him be cared for in peace? Or something in between? I realize we can't be sure as this breaks new ground.

It seems clear to me that the the legislature seems willing to let it go that far in terms of forcing a choice? Am I right? If not, please advise.

As hard as discussing end of life choices in my own culture is, I keep trying to remind myself how unique this culture is and be open to seeing things in unexpected ways.
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Expert panel to discuss Emperor's abdication - The Japan News
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Following a message conveyed by the Emperor in which he indicated his intention to abdicate, the government is planning to set up an expert panel as early as September to discuss the issue.

The government intends to establish an outline of its view on this issue before an extraordinary Diet session is convened in autumn, so it will be able to explain the progress of its study to the Diet. Many questions are expected from both the ruling and opposition parties during the session.

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An aide to Prime Minister Shinzo Abe insisted, “Necessary bills should be passed unanimously,” but there are still many issues to form a consensus.
Abdication casts shadow over Abe's constitutional ambitions- Nikkei Asian Review
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The abdication issue also could interfere with any plans by Abe to dissolve the lower house for a snap election. A top government official stressed that dissolution is solely the prime minister's prerogative and that Abe's hands are not tied. But such a move could invite criticism if it forces the Diet to drop bills under debate. The parties also would need to figure out how to address the issue in their campaign platforms.

Rumors have circulated within the ruling coalition that Abe could disband the lower chamber late this year or at the start of next year's regular Diet session. But holding an election so soon after starting the abdication debate could be difficult.
No constitutional issue with Emperor's address: Imperial agency chief- Nikkei Asian Review
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Since the emperor has no desire for a lighter workload, the [Imperial Household] agency is not considering that option, Kazaoka said.
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Interesting. So this move has at least temporary paralyzed the nationalists.
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