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Old 04-13-2017, 01:56 AM
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I'm confused too. Unfortunately, there aren't any English versions of those Japanese articles yet. Despite many abdications in history, the government is super reluctant to let Akihito retire so fussing about Kotaitei (or possibly re-titling the entire Akishino family) isn't surprising.

Akihito may abdicate earlier than planned in December 2018: The Asahi Shimbun
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The government is mulling allowing Emperor Akihito’s abdication and his son Crown Prince Naruhito’s ascension to the throne in December 2018, giving certain time before the nation switches to a new era.

Emperor Akihito may be allowed to give up the throne earlier than previously thought, with a day in December 2018 being mulled prior to the originally mooted abdication date of Dec. 31, government sources said.

[...]

Some experts on imperial family issues recommend that Akihito should step down on Dec. 23, 2018, his 85th birthday.

But the government is concerned that if he abdicates on that date, it could be interpreted that any emperor must retire upon reaching that age, making Akihito’s case a precedent.

Officials close to the government said Christmas and other dates that have a special meaning are not desirable as possible abdication date choices.

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Emperor's abdication ceremony, the first in 200 years, likely to be held in December | The Japan Times
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The last time Japan held a ceremony for an emperor’s abdication was in 1817, when Emperor Kokaku relinquished the Chrysanthemum Throne. The government will consider how to materialize the plan by studying documents describing ceremonial manners for abdications in the past.

[...]

Of Japan’s 125 emperors, including the sitting 83-year-old, 58 have so far abdicated. But legislation currently only allows posthumous transfer of the throne.

[...]

The first emperor who abdicated is believed to be Emperor Kogyoku, who handed over the throne to Emperor Kotoku during the Taika no Kaishin political reform that put the Imperial house in control of Japan in the seventh century.

Japan started holding ceremonies for emperor abdications during the eighth century at the latest, and ceremonial practices were carried on to the latest abdication ceremony for Emperor Kokaku 200 years ago, according to the sources.

In such ceremonies, an agent reads out an emperor’s words explaining the reasons for his abdication with the retiring emperor attending.

The likely location for the abdication ceremony of Emperor Akihito is the Imperial Palace. The timing of the event will be either before or after Kenji-to-Shokei-no-Gi, a ceremony to hand down traditional properties, such as the sacred sword and jewels, to the new emperor, the sources said.

After the handing of properties ceremony, which marks the completion of the throne ascending procedures, the new emperor is to hold the Choken-no-Gi first audience ceremony to meet with the heads of the government-legislative, administrative and judicial systems.

The government is planning to hold those ceremonies by the end of 2018, and an enthronement ceremony, called Sokui-no-Rei, that formally announces the new emperor’s accession sometime in 2019.
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Old 04-13-2017, 01:05 PM
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Haha… of course, an English article about Akishino’s title is released right after I post about no translations yet.

Panel settles on title for Prince Akishino - The Japan News
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According to the outlines of the 11th and 12th meetings on April 4 and 6, which were released on the website of the Prime Minister’s Office, the panel members proposed the idea of continuing to use his family name Akishino for addressing him because his “name and presence as a prince of the Akishino family are recognized well by and are familiar to the public.”

The members also pointed out one way would be to add “koshi” to his current name in order to help the public easily understand his position when he becomes first in the Imperial line of succession.

According to the outlines, the Imperial Household Agency then explained that it will be “reasonably possible to call the prince ‘Akishinonomiya Koshi,’ ‘Koshi Akishinonomiya’ or ‘Koshi.’”

The agency also said it would be appropriate to translate “koshi” into English as “crown prince,” (meaning “kotaishi”) although “koshi” has been translated as “Imperial heir.”

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Old 04-13-2017, 09:33 PM
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The agency also said it would be appropriate to translate “koshi” into English as “crown prince,” (meaning “kotaishi”) although “koshi” has been translated as “Imperial heir.”
To me Crown Prince is an appropriate translation for kotaishi, kotaison, kotaitei, or koshi. The English title of Crown Prince can refer to an heir who is not the son of the sovereign.

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[...]the panel members proposed the idea of continuing to use his family name Akishino for addressing him because his “name and presence as a prince of the Akishino family are recognized well by and are familiar to the public.”

The members also pointed out one way would be to add “koshi” to his current name in order to help the public easily understand his position when he becomes first in the Imperial line of succession.
I am doubtful that the public would be unfamiliar with the likely next emperor, the father of a future emperor. Furthermore, wouldn't Kotaitei be a more appropriate title to "help the public easily understand his position", since it would make clear that a younger brother of the emperor is the crown prince?
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Old 04-22-2017, 09:27 PM
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Draft notes public sympathy for Emperor - The Japan News

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According to the draft outline, the special measures law will stipulate in Article 1 “conditions leading to the abdication,” not “the objectives.”

The draft outline specifies the conditions for the Emperor’s abdication as follows:

■ The Emperor, who has reached the advanced age of 83, feels deep mental anguish because it has become difficult to continue his duties as the symbol of the state.

■ The public understands and sympathizes with his mental anguish.

■ The crown prince, at 57, has been actively participating in official duties for a number of years, standing in for the Emperor in state affairs.

In addition, the special measures law will stipulate that “the Emperor’s abdication and the crown prince’s succession to the throne are realized as a special case of Article 4 of the Imperial House Law [that states the Emperor’s role is for life].”

The draft outline does not mention the Emperor’s message in August last year expressing his intent to abdicate, in order not to violate Article 4 of the Constitution, which stipulates that the Emperor shall not have powers related to government.
EDITORIAL: Government bill on emperor's abdication isn't what Diet sought: The Asahi Shimbun

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The agreement among the parties said the law should be called a special law “concerning the abdication of the emperor and related issues.” But the government has decided to change the term “emperor” in the [bill's] title to “His Majesty the Emperor.”

With this seemingly minor and innocuous change, the government is clearly seeking to ensure that the legislation will be applied only to Akihito. [...]

In addition, the government has eliminated the passage explaining the aim of the legislation that was agreed to be added as a supplementary clause on abdication to the current Imperial House Law.

The passage said the new legislation provides for rules concerning the emperor’s abdication as a “special case” related to the Imperial House Law.

The opposition parties regarded this clause as providing the legal basis for making Akihito’s abdication serve as a precedent for similar acts by future emperors.
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Old 04-24-2017, 10:07 PM
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Editorial: Gov't handling of abdication issue makes light of expert panel's purposes - The Mainichi

EDITORIAL: Panel discussing abdication issue ended up toeing the official line: The Asahi Shimbun

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[The advisory council] invited many dyed-in-the-wool conservatives to speak at public hearings. These were people who have nostalgia for the extraordinary view about the emperor pronounced in the prewar Meiji Constitution and don’t support the definition of the emperor as the symbol of the nation as provided by the postwar Constitution.

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As its approach drew criticism from various quarters, the panel lost its leadership in public debate on the topic. As a result, the Diet replaced the panel as the leading player in the debate.

The agreement among the ruling and opposition parties [...] said it should state that the emperor’s abdication is a “special case” but “can serve as a precedent” for similar acts by future emperors.

In an attempt to roll back the legislature’s move, the government is now drafting a bill that runs counter to the agreement.

The expert panel’s failure to have meaningful, in-depth debate on the future vision of the emperor as the national symbol of unity and the procedures for smooth and stable imperial succession has helped to muddy the issue.

[...] the report makes no reference to the proposal to allow the establishment of houses headed by a female member of the imperial family. [...] This fact reflects the Abe administration’s aversion to any discussion on the idea. [...]

The expert panel apparently found no choice but to act according to the administration’s script as it addressed the weighty topic, which could threaten the power base of the administration if mishandled.

It is distressing to see the panel end up playing such a wretched role.
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:04 PM
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The bill has been significantly changed from the initial draft, such as by removing the honorific “heika” (your majesty) from the title, and its content is in line with a proposal compiled in March by the leaders and deputy leaders of both Diet houses based on discussions among the ruling and opposition parties.
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Opposition to the executive branch's initial plan was voiced by not only the Democratic Party but also ruling coalition partner Komeito, which asked that the plan be based on the legislative branch's views.
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The Diet's views clearly mention the "thoughts" of Emperor Akihito, who said he felt it difficult to fulfill his official duties because of his advanced age. However, the executive branch's initial plan replaced "thoughts" with "anxiety."

The wording of the Diet's views reflect the largest opposition Democratic Party's opinion that the planned abdication of Emperor Akihito should be characterized as a precedent for future cases and that his intentions be respected in allowing him to step down.
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A clause stating that the special law "is an integral part of the Imperial House Law" is set to be incorporated in the supplementary provision of the main law. The outline also mentions Emperor Akihito's "thoughts" as a factor paving the way for him to step down from the throne.
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At the same time, a clause in the outline mentions "His Majesty the Emperor's enthronement on Jan. 7 in the 64th year of the Showa era (1989)," reflecting the ruling coalition's intention to clarify that the bill would apply specifically to Emperor Akihito.

[...] The plan also states that the prime minister must seek opinions from the Imperial Household Council in enacting regulations on the timing of Emperor Akihito's abdication. The DP had demanded that the Imperial Household Council, participated in by representatives of the Imperial Family, be involved in decisions on the matter.
Vote expected in May for law on Emperor's abdication - The Japan News
Editorial: Executive branch must respect Diet views on bill for Emperor's abdication - The Mainichi
Legislation outline for Emperor Akihito's abdication presented - The Mainichi
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Old 04-30-2017, 07:12 PM
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Thanks, Tatiana.

Mere details IMO.

They may call a spade a "manually operated digging-tool", but it's still a spade.

The abdication is a fact and upon being completed it becomes a precedence for the future, no matter how they term it.
The only hope for the opponents is for the Emperor to die before the he can abdicate. - But they can't stall too long either, that will backfire among the public. And politically this issue cast too big a shadow on other issues, they would like to promote.
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Old 05-01-2017, 09:26 PM
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Most of public backs permanent abdication solution for emperors: survey | The Japan Times

Kyodo News poll covering 3,000 people 18 years or older

Abdication:
68% support revising Imperial House Law to enable permanent abdication
25% support one-off abdication legislation
4% oppose abdication

Female emperor or an emperor of female lineage:
86% support female emperor
59% support female emperor and emperor of female lineage

Retaining princesses by establishing female-headed Imperial branches even after marriage to commoner:
62% support
35% oppose

When to start discussion on female ascension:
61% support discussion after Emperor Akihito abdicates
28% support discussion in parallel with abdication

Abe’s option to give Imperial status back to collateral branches
22% support
72% oppose
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Old 05-01-2017, 10:18 PM
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It's fascinating that 86% support the idea of a female emperor.
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Old 05-02-2017, 12:40 AM
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Most of public backs permanent abdication solution for emperors: survey | The Japan Times

Kyodo News poll covering 3,000 people 18 years or older

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Abe’s option to give Imperial status back to collateral branches
22% support
72% oppose
Very interesting. I wonder if the public opposition will carry any weight if Abe insists on restoration of former branches.

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Kyodo News poll covering 3,000 people 18 years or older

Female emperor or an emperor of female lineage:
86% support female emperor
59% support female emperor and emperor of female lineage

Retaining princesses by establishing female-headed Imperial branches even after marriage to commoner:
62% support
35% oppose
24% apparently would support a female emperor but would force her to become a commoner if she marries.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:35 AM
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Most interesting.

It confirms the fact that certainly the conservative nationalists are pretty much out of sync with the majority.
That puts added pressure on the government to get this over with as smooth as possible.
So why we will from time to time see vocal reservations from experts and politicians, the train had long since left the station.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:41 AM
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Most interesting.

It confirms the fact that certainly the conservative nationalists are pretty much out of sync with the majority.
That puts added pressure on the government to get this over with as smooth as possible.
So why we will from time to time see vocal reservations from experts and politicians, the train had long since left the station.
What do you mean with out of sync? The current Government has issued legislation to enable the Emperor to abdicate. That is in line with the poll you projected, I must say.
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Old 05-02-2017, 07:01 AM
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What do you mean with out of sync? The current Government has issued legislation to enable the Emperor to abdicate. That is in line with the poll you projected, I must say.
It is a you know the nationalists within the already conservative government, who all the times have been reluctant to grant the Emperor his wish to abdicate. And making it a one off.
As for women... No way, can't be done, impossible!

The nationalist votes are however crucial for the government, hence all the foot-dragging and the refusal, so far, to even discuss the possibility of females in line for the throne. Despite the serious lack of spares.
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The current Government has issued legislation to enable the Emperor to abdicate. That is in line with the poll you projected, I must say.
The bill (it has not been submitted to the Diet) will be one-off legislation for Akihito, which is supported by only 25% of respondents to the poll. The majority (68%) supports Akihito's wish to set up a permanent system of abdication for future emperors. A mere 4% endorse Prime Minister Abe's opposition to abdications.

The poll shows that the majority opposes Abe's policies towards female emperors, female-lineage emperors, female-headed branches, and restoration of male branches.

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The nationalist votes are however crucial for the government, hence all the foot-dragging and the refusal, so far, to even discuss the possibility of females in line for the throne. Despite the serious lack of spares.
Mr. Abe even refuses to discuss enabling females to remain part of the imperial family (with no succession rights) after marriage.
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Japan cabinet approves law to let Emperor Akihito abdicate - ITV News

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe sits beside Japanese Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism Minister Keiichi Ishii and Japanese Finance and Deputy Prime Minister Taro Aso while attending a cabinet meeting at his official residence in Tokyo on May 19, 2017. The Japanese government on May 19, 2017 approved a one-off bill allowing aging Emperor Akihito to step down from the Chrysanthemum Throne in the first imperial abdication in two centuries.

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Thanks! Another step closer.

Japan gov't OKs bill to allow 1st abdication of emperor in 200 yrs - The Mainichi
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The bill is set to be submitted to the Diet later in the day, with the government expecting its enactment by the end of the current Diet session in mid-June.

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A series of ritual ceremonies will be held over a period of a year for the accession of the new emperor. The government is also planning to hold an abdication ceremony for the first time in around two centuries by studying ceremonial practices in the past.

After Crown Prince Naruhito ascends the throne, his younger brother Prince Akishino, 51, will be the next in line to the throne. Prince Akishino's annual budget allocation for his private expenses will increase threefold to 91.5 million yen ($822,000), according to the bill.

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Japan Moves to Allow Its Emperor to Abdicate. But Just This Once. - The New York Times

Japan may announce new Imperial era name in summer 2018 | The Japan Times

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The Japanese government is considering announcing in advance the date for Emperor Akihito’s abdication and the new era name in summer 2018, officials said Thursday.

Emperor Akihito’s abdication and Crown Prince Naruhito’s accession to the Chrysanthemum Throne are highly likely to take place in late December 2018, the officials also said.

The new era that will follow the current Heisei Era is seen starting on Jan. 1, 2019. The government hopes to give the nation four to five months to prepare for the era change, according to the officials.

“We hope the Imperial succession will be smooth,” an official said.

[...]

The procedures to set the new name will be basically the same as those followed at the time of the previous era change to Heisei from Showa in 1989.

The government will pick one from among several candidate names that will be proposed by academic experts.

It will make the selection after hearing opinions from intellectuals and the leaders of both chambers of the Diet. But the government will not seek public comments.

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Indeed, if he lives that long...
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Old 05-19-2017, 01:42 PM
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Thank you for the updates.
It should not take this long for him to be "allowed" to abdicate. Hopefully he is healthy enough and can enjoy his retirement.
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Thanks for the update!
It is sad to see Emperor Akihito abdicating. Age is a valid reason to do so. Still one feels sad to see an end of the epoch.
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Emperor Akihito shocked by conservative experts' remarks that 'emperors should just pray' - The Mainichi

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The comment that "the Emperor should just perform imperial rituals" made by conservative members of the panel at a November 2016 hearing came as a great shock to the Emperor. His strong displeasure with the remark was communicated to the prime minister's office by parties related to the Imperial Household Agency.

In response to the fact that the government panel's debate about abdication was headed toward allowing for a one-time exception for Emperor Akihito, the Emperor said that such an exception would be considered selfish on his part, and sought the establishment of a system that would make it possible for any emperor to abdicate. Emperor Akihito also reportedly said, "I did not think that my will would be twisted into something it wasn't," expressing dissatisfaction with the government's plans.

"His Majesty was disconsolate," a source close to the Imperial Household Agency said. "Does the government panel not know the activities in which the Emperor has been involved?"

At the hearing in question, conservative experts selected on the basis of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's preferences [...] made statements such as "The Imperial Family's meaning lies in its continued existence and its performance of imperial rituals. To ask any more of a role from an emperor is inappropriate." They argued that if the Emperor's official duties, such as visiting victims of disasters, were cut back to alleviate some of the burden on him, and he focused mostly on performing imperial rites, such as prayers at shrines, there was no need for him to abdicate.

A source who has a close personal relationship with Emperor Akihito said, "Such a statement is disrespectful toward the Emperor."

[...]

According to a senior Imperial Household Agency official, the remark amounted to a denial of how Emperor Akihito has lived his life, and apparently upset the Emperor greatly.

The agency official stated that the Emperor's discontent was only natural, and continued, "His Majesty is not performing imperial rites in the abstract. His face-to-face encounters with individual members of the public constitute the building blocks of his prayers for the peace, well-being and serenity of the people. Without his interactions with the public, his prayers would be vacuous."

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