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Old 05-23-2011, 06:29 PM
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Yes, the impression I had from my first perusal of the family tree was prosperity and attainment. This was reinforced when I looked up the definition of "pfarrer", which I should have done sooner. It means a sort of clergyman (for those who don't know) and is what the Hallbergs (the family of Prince Henrik's mother) were for generations. But going over it a second time, the family still has much less "snob appeal" than I would have thought. I always knew that their status as nobility was questioned, but I figured they were otherwise landed gentry. This, it turns out, is far from the case. It also makes their lineage much more interesting to me
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Prince Henrik's grandfather

One of the French fencers in the 1896 Olympic Games was named Henri de Laborde. No other facts are known about this fencer. But it is very interesting that he has the same, somewhat rare name as Prince Henrik's grandfather and since the grandfather was born in 1868, he would have been at a reasonable age to have competed in 1896.

http://www.sports-reference.co.....rde-1.html

Since the 1896 Olympics were the first modern Olympics, they were not as famous as they are today. It wasn't until the 1936 Olympics that they became a major media event. As a result, many of the athletes who competed in the earlier Olympics considered them just another tournament and did not make a big deal about competing in them. Since the grandfather died in 1929, he could have competed but never mentioned it.

Is it known whether Prince Henrik's grandfather fenced? Any record of his traveling to Athens in 1896? There exists a picture that was taken of the French fencers at the 1896 Olympics but it is a group picture and they are not identified by name. Is there a picture of Henrik's grandfather, especially when he was in his 20s or 30s, that can be used to see if his face matches any faces in the picture of the French Olympic fencers?
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Old 12-25-2014, 02:41 PM
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One of the French fencers in the 1896 Olympic Games was named Henri de Laborde. No other facts are known about this fencer. But it is very interesting that he has the same, somewhat rare name as Prince Henrik's grandfather and since the grandfather was born in 1868, he would have been at a reasonable age to have competed in 1896.

http://www.sports-reference.co.....rde-1.html

Since the 1896 Olympics were the first modern Olympics, they were not as famous as they are today. It wasn't until the 1936 Olympics that they became a major media event. As a result, many of the athletes who competed in the earlier Olympics considered them just another tournament and did not make a big deal about competing in them. Since the grandfather died in 1929, he could have competed but never mentioned it.

Is it known whether Prince Henrik's grandfather fenced? Any record of his traveling to Athens in 1896? There exists a picture that was taken of the French fencers at the 1896 Olympics but it is a group picture and they are not identified by name. Is there a picture of Henrik's grandfather, especially when he was in his 20s or 30s, that can be used to see if his face matches any faces in the picture of the French Olympic fencers?
I don't think it's the same person, this ia a biography of Henri de Laborde de Monpezat, P.Henri's grandfather (download to PDF) http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&...82001339,d.d2s but there is no mention of fencing or of particpating at the olympic games in 1896 and 1900 (the fencer Henri de Laborde was in both)
Aside from that, the fencer is listed everywhere as "de Laborde" and never with a mention of "de Monpezat" which would be the name of P.Henri's grandfather.
There are more "de Laborde" families in France so it would be more likely that the fencer actually belongs to one of those families, but i haven't looked them up on the genealogy websites, so can't give a conclusive answer to that..
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Old 08-18-2015, 06:32 AM
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can someone provide info on the princes ancestry.
it is quite interesting that through his German grandmother Henriette Hallberg and her father dr.Eugen Hallberg Henrik has descended from some royal and noble families...

Through her Prince Henrik is a descendant of the House of Württemberg,albeit through illegitimate line...his ancestor Gaspard Forstmeister,known as the Moewer-Bastard was illegitimate son of Count Ulrich V von Württemberg(1413-1480) and his mistress Margarethe Moewer...

Through this line his is a descendant of King Philippe III of France(reigned from 1270-1285) and of Tommasina Morosini,wife of Pietro Grandenigo,49th Dodge of Venice which makes him also related to famous Bianca Cappello,second wife of Grand Duke Francesco Medici of Tuscany...

Apart from that he traces his ancestry from the noble houses like Schimd von Schmidsfelden,von Pleiningen,Schenk von Stauffenberg,von Ow,von Salmendingen,Ritter von Tieringen etc.

Through this line he is also related to Princess Grace of Monaco(Grace Kelly),as both being descendants of Elisabeth von Pleiningen-Göppingen who was a great-granddaughter of Konrad Schenk von Stauffenberg and his wife Adelheid von Ow...

This in turn makes him also a distant relative of the famous Count Claus Schenk von Stauffenberg(1907-1944),who plotted against Hitler.

For me it was very interesting to find such interesting facts and connections...
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Are they all alive ??
Who exactly?
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