Prince Henrik Retiring from Official Duties as of January 1, 2016


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The Duke of Edinburgh is also at least a decade older than Prince Henrik and he, (the DoE), is clearly not physically capable of carrying on with his official life, at least to my eye. I also think Philip is recognized by the British people as having been a workhorse all his life - the Navy, taking an active role in the coronation, The Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme... all of these things and more in addition to the large number of hand shaking and ribbon cutting engagements he's undertaken every year, without complaint.

I think it leaves a bad taste in the mouth for well off people to continue taking public money for their personal use while doing no work. Like I said in a prior post, it's not something I could get really worked up over if I was a Dane, but you never know which seemingly small things are going to blow up and become issues for the entire royal house.
 
:previous: You can't compare based on age alone. Age affects people differently. Hans Adam was 60 when he handed power to his son, though technically he is still sovereign. Jean was 79 when he abdicated. JC and Albert were similar age. The fact that Henrik is only consort, and there is no need for abdication or handing over of power makes it easier.
 
One of the issues that stands out for me is that fact that Prince Henrik has always had the issue of not being made KING in Denmark. He seems like he is the old world time set and a man is always above his wife or woman. He has been vocal about wanting to be called King and the only way to get that title is through the government which is not nor will ever happen, so hence he quit......I am retiring.......IMO that left a bad taste in Denmark with many people. He is now acting like, I can't be King, so I will retire and live the life a king my way, not Denmark's way. He is very foolish in doing this and seems insecure in himself as the husband of a queen and a man no less. A title is just that....a title unless a person uses that title for the good of others, he has not done that IMO. There is a huge difference in Prince Philip and what he has done for the UK as compared to what Prince Henrik as done for Denmark and I don't mean ribbon cutting or all those dinners, I mean actually serving your new country to the fullest of your ability. One has done that and one has not...:whistling:
 
The Duke of Edinburgh is also at least a decade older than Prince Henrik and he, (the DoE), is clearly not physically capable of carrying on with his official life, at least to my eye. I also think Philip is recognized by the British people as having been a workhorse all his life - the Navy, taking an active role in the coronation, The Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme... all of these things and more in addition to the large number of hand shaking and ribbon cutting engagements he's undertaken every year, without complaint.



I think it leaves a bad taste in the mouth for well off people to continue taking public money for their personal use while doing no work. Like I said in a prior post, it's not something I could get really worked up over if I was a Dane, but you never know which seemingly small things are going to blow up and become issues for the entire royal house.



I don't disagree with the latter part of your post - that's where I was trying to get with mine in the comparison between the two - but I don't think the age difference between the two men is a factor.

Yes, the DoE is older, but at 83 Henrik isn't exactly a young man himself. Where he in any other role, a retirement likely would have happened years ago.

The difference is more that the DoE got over being second to his wife and embraced his role. Prince Henrik seems to have not done the same.
 
It seems to me that Henrik was in a bit of a damned if he did, damned if he didn't type of situation.

By announcing his retirement he explained his lack of appearances, but gained criticism for his apanage.

Had he not announced it, though, and he would have been criticized for his lack of appearances, particularly in regards to events that QMII would typically be escorted to. It seems to me that Prince Henrik was already receiving criticism of this nature prior to the announcement of his retirement.

I would add that I think part of PH's problem is that he seemed to have taken a degree of resentment towards Denmark prior to his retirement (and via versa), and since his retirement has lived a somewhat extravagant life, while still taking an income from the Danish state.

I don't know much about Queen Ingrid, but if she was better liked in Denmark and lived a less extravagant life, I suspect the issue of her apanage might have been viewed differently had an official retirement been announced - the fact that she was a Dowager instead of a Consort likely would have helped too.

I think there's a good contrast between the retirements of Prince Henrik and Prince Philip; both are elderly men who immigrated to a new country and married women who became Queen. Both had to adapt to being "less" than their wives while also being expected to serve their adopted countries, and both in time are going to be beneath their sons (if they live long enough). Yet PH's retirement is poorly received, while the DoE's so far is largely well received. It's interesting, but I think it's largely because of the differences in their overall attitudes; the DoE got over being beneath his wife, and has been treated fairly well terms of being "beneath" his son (he isn't actually beneath Charles at all while the Queen is alive, and doesn't typically attend things where Charles is the Queen's representative), and has served Britain and the Commonwealth with a clear sense of duty. I doubt his wage will be reduced immensely when he retires, but I also doubt he'll be shown as living extravagantly after either - Balmoral, Windsor, and Sandringham may not be cheap to maintain, but it has a different appearance than a foreign vacation does.

The problem with PH is that he on at least two occasions were not there beside QMII when it was very much expected of him to be there. (The same thing would be expected by any other husband IMO).
His embarrassing insistence on being made king, in a culture where titles are not considered important, made it worse. Because PH was actually popular as never before just three years ago.
- Especially since he could not be made king, period. The politicians and the public was against it, and it would take a change of the Constitution as well, something no one is willing to do at present. Because constitutionally speaking QMII is a "female king". The wording in the Constitution refers to "the King", not the monarch.

Queen Ingrid was actually pretty unpopular until WWII and the Occupation, later on she became immensely respected. Respected rather than loved, mind you. But no one were ever in doubt that she was firmly behind her daughter, QMII. She fully accepted her role as supporting royal after the death of Frederik IX. And her devotion to duty was never questioned, even to the very end.

In contrast to PH, the DoE worked hard until he simply had to give up. He has AFAIK always been by QEII's side when needed and when expected and he has always been firmly supportive of his wife, despite his wit. He has never asked for a higher title than the one he has and he has again AFAIK never put himself before duty.
So the sentiment in Britain and the public opinion here in DK as well, as far as the public cares, is that the DoE has fully deserved to retire. That's the same sentiment expressed in regards to QMII. That she has fully deserved to retire, i.e. to abdicate - and because M&F are seen as ready to take over.

PH retired because...? Poor health. He would have been showered in sympathy if that was the case. But he seems to be in reasonable working order. Certainly able to travel extensively. - So why can't he support his wife on a few occasions?
Old age then? - Fair enough. He wants to enjoy the remaining years of his life. Fine, but why should he retain a full staff and a full apanage? These are money QMII can use, or M&F since they are stepping up their duties.

We have discussed many theories as to why PH retired. The theory that at present seems most likely to me is that QMII took him on his word when he probably had yet another fit about not becoming king. So he ended up "retiring himself out".
 
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So he ended up "retiring himself out".

Could it be that perhaps PH has put his foot in his mouth and now wishes he could take it out and be the Prince Consort that he was? Not supporting his wife regardless of being queen or a housewife is very bad IMO. Marriage is to support each other to the fullest and not act like a spoiled kid when not getting your own way, that is what he has been doing for a very long time now and I could not in good faith support him if I was a Danish citizen nor even now.
 
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So he ended up "retiring himself out".

Could it be that perhaps PH has put his foot in his mouth and now wishes he could take it out and be the Prince Consort that he was? Not supporting his wife regardless of being queen or a housewife is very bad IMO. Marriage is to support each other to the fullest and not act like a spoiled kid when not getting your own way, that is what he has been doing for a very long time now and I could not in good faith support him if I was a Danish citizen nor even now.

Good question.

Considering his fondness for taking part in activities where he is the center of attention, he may wish he had made a more wise move. Because by "being retired" he is in every respect checkmate. He has no more moves to play at all.
I think QMII taking him on his word came as a total surprise to him. He has been used all through their marriage that he most of the time got his way eventually. He was after all made Count of Montpezat and Prince Consort when he ran off to France sulking over him being superseded by his son in constitutional matters. He may have hoped that if he persisted long enough he might get the title of at king-consort or something like that, or at least becoming a majesty.
We can speculate as to whether QMII was "advised" by the PM to bring this matter to and end, because it was embarrassing and damaging to the monarchy. I personally think this move was planned and basically QMII waited for the right moment to spring the trap, presumably with full political backing. I have no doubt she sprung the trap with considerable heartache, but she is first and foremost head of state and head of her family.
That may explain why she has appeared so much at ease in recent months. The situation is resolved and without too much fuss.

Now PH is powerless.
The issue about of him becoming king has decisively ended.
He has been demoted to "prince". That's the final nail through his wish about becoming king.
There can no longer be any issues as to where he think he stands in constitutional matters.
Even in regards to the protocol it's only an occasional issue. Because he is not even number two anymore. That position has officially been taken by Frederik.
He is not expected to attend anything, so him staying away is no longer a useful weapon.
He can't complain about his situation to the press, because he himself wanted to retire. Saying anything else would mean loss of face.

Perhaps PH is happier too now.
There is some relief in loosing a fight you know. There was a showdown. There will be no further showdowns. It's over. The air can be cleansed and he can resign and adapt to his new life.
A life of considerable freedom mind you. No obligations, no expectations, just doing what he think is fun and time for lots of travel.
It may be a relief for him as well.
 
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In recent pictures of the couple, to me it seems like Henrik has been seen to need support to just walk somewhere. He is getting on in years and its beginning to show. As a couple, they still seem extremely happy with each other. The retirement, as announced, could have been a measure to not actively fill an appointment book for appearances because the man has his good days and his bad days and rather than cancel something because he's not up to par, it is deemed better to take it on a day to day basis. This is just an assumption on my part but at 83 years old, it may be a wise move. I'm only 65 and have days I'd have to cancel going out somewhere because the spirit is willing but the body ain't.

As for wanting to be "king", that's Henrik being Henrik. I would lean more towards the reasons I've presented though rather that retiring out of spite or anything else. As for the apanage, its very possible that the powers that be and HM know more than they're telling us.
 
He couldn't of quietly done this, the press was over him for not attending events he was suppose to do, rumors start, talk starts and that is something no royal house wants.

He cam out and made it official, fair enough. It make it clear to everyone now why he isn't attending.

I think some people reach a certain point in life and just want to relax and enjoy. Maybe to him attending events was tiring.
 
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I think the more royals start to make themselves seem more ordinary, for example by doing things like retiring, (or abdicating) [...]

King Oscar II of Norway abdicated in 1905
Grand Duchess Marie-Adélaïde of Luxembourg abdicated in 1919
King Edward VIII of the United Kingdom abdicated in 1936
Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands abdicated in 1948
King Leopold of the Belgians abdicated in 1951
Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg abdicated in 1964
Queen Juliana of the Netherlands abdicated in 1980
Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg abdicated in 2000
Fürst Hans Adam von und zu Liechtenstein handed over the reins in 2004
Pope Benedict XVI abdicated in 2013
Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicated in 2013
King Albert II of the Belgians abdicated in 2013
King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicated in 2014
Emperor Akihito of Japan will abdicate in 2018

All the named monarchies as well the Holy See are all still alive and kicking and I am not sure they look "more ordinary" or so. I can also see beneficiary effects of having monarchs in the prime of their life assuming the throne and rejuvenate the monarchy (see Willem-Alexander, see Philippe, see Felipe, see Francis).
 
I disagree with both of you.

The money are nothing in the big picture, but they have symbolic value.

PH is the first DRF to officially retire and when you retire your salary is usually cut down.
No one says he shouldn't get any money, but most of his apanage is supposed to go to PH's staff. How big a staff does a retiree need? His adjutant is paid for the Ministry of Defense, so a valet and a part time secretary should be enough for a retiree I should imagine. - After his most of his protections have been taken over by others or discontinued.
So half his apanage could be transferred to QMII instead. And he'd still live a comfortable life in retirement.

I remember when the British Queen Mother died there was an article about her staff and what would happen to them. It turned out she had over 40 members of staff who all lost their jobs when she died. Many people couldn't understand how it took so many people to look after one old lady.
 
King Oscar II of Norway abdicated in 1905
Grand Duchess Marie-Adélaïde of Luxembourg abdicated in 1919
King Edward VIII of the United Kingdom abdicated in 1936
Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands abdicated in 1948
King Leopold of the Belgians abdicated in 1951
Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg abdicated in 1964
Queen Juliana of the Netherlands abdicated in 1980
Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg abdicated in 2000
Fürst Hans Adam von und zu Liechtenstein handed over the reins in 2004
Pope Benedict XVI abdicated in 2013
Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands abdicated in 2013
King Albert II of the Belgians abdicated in 2013
King Juan Carlos of Spain abdicated in 2014
Emperor Akihito of Japan will abdicate in 2018

All the named monarchies as well the Holy See are all still alive and kicking and I am not sure they look "more ordinary" or so. I can also see beneficiary effects of having monarchs in the prime of their life assuming the throne and rejuvenate the monarchy (see Willem-Alexander, see Philippe, see Felipe, see Francis).
The abdication of Oscar II from the throne of Norway was a mere formality after he was deposed by the governement during the breakup of the Bernadotte dual-monarchy of Sweden-Norway. Heartbroken after the actions taken by the Norwegian governement he formally abdicated to prevent war from breaking out between the two countries. He remained king of Sweden and Norway instead chose Carl, the son of his niece Crown princess Louise of Denmark, as king in his place.
 
I believe and this is just my opinion is that when elder royals such as the Queen Mother and Prince Henrik "retire" from active royal duties, they are maintained in the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to. The same will happen with the Duke of Edinburgh as he steps down from public duty this fall. The DoE will continue with his full, active lifestyle as long as possible but has retired from taking on scheduled royal duties.

When my husband I retired a few years back, we had to make some major adjustments into the retired life such as money rolling in (I call it magic money. Now you see it, now you don't.) at the beginning of each month rather than weekly or biweekly paychecks but in reality, it didn't affect the lifestyle we've had for the most part.

Its my belief that an apanage is not believed to be a "paycheck" for duties rendered but rather an amount of money set aside to maintain a person's way of living. With the apanage remaining as it is for Henrik, his lifestyle is unaffected but his "performance of royal duties" is what he's retired from.
 
One of the issues that stands out for me is that fact that Prince Henrik has always had the issue of not being made KING in Denmark. He seems like he is the old world time set and a man is always above his wife or woman. He has been vocal about wanting to be called King and the only way to get that title is through the government which is not nor will ever happen, so hence he quit......I am retiring.......IMO that left a bad taste in Denmark with many people. He is now acting like, I can't be King, so I will retire and live the life a king my way, not Denmark's way. He is very foolish in doing this and seems insecure in himself as the husband of a queen and a man no less. A title is just that....a title unless a person uses that title for the good of others, he has not done that IMO. There is a huge difference in Prince Philip and what he has done for the UK as compared to what Prince Henrik as done for Denmark and I don't mean ribbon cutting or all those dinners, I mean actually serving your new country to the fullest of your ability. One has done that and one has not...:whistling:


Although in the past the husbands of some Queens have had the tile King most of them remained Princes and certainly there is no example in recent history.

Many in the UK have found it strange that Prince Philip has never had the title Prince Consort especially as the title was in use for Prince Albert.
 
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Its my belief that an apanage is not believed to be a "paycheck" for duties rendered but rather an amount of money set aside to maintain a person's way of living. [...]

That is correct. An apanage is no salary. A salary is subject to obligatory transactions, for an example to the tax revenue service, to the pension fund, to an unemployment insurance, to a disability insurance, to a sick leave insurance and all that jazz. A salary is also part of a contract between employer and employee, in which the function, the responsibilities, the working hours and the heighth of the salary is agreed. Nothing of all that in the case of royal apanages. These are incomparable with salaries.
 
I remember when the British Queen Mother died there was an article about her staff and what would happen to them. It turned out she had over 40 members of staff who all lost their jobs when she died. Many people couldn't understand how it took so many people to look after one old lady.
That was a (republican) Guardian article, and some of these 40/50 people who worked for the QM started working for the Queen.

I believe and this is just my opinion is that when elder royals such as the Queen Mother and Prince Henrik "retire" from active royal duties, they are maintained in the lifestyle that they have become accustomed to. The same will happen with the Duke of Edinburgh as he steps down from public duty this fall. The DoE will continue with his full, active lifestyle as long as possible but has retired from taking on scheduled royal duties.

When my husband I retired a few years back, we had to make some major adjustments into the retired life such as money rolling in (I call it magic money. Now you see it, now you don't.) at the beginning of each month rather than weekly or biweekly paychecks but in reality, it didn't affect the lifestyle we've had for the most part.

Its my belief that an apanage is not believed to be a "paycheck" for duties rendered but rather an amount of money set aside to maintain a person's way of living. With the apanage remaining as it is for Henrik, his lifestyle is unaffected but his "performance of royal duties" is what he's retired from.

Osipi, do you mean the british Queen Mother or Queen Ingrid?

Because the QM didn't retire at all (not officially or in reality) - she had about 50 engagements in 2001 at the age of 100/101.

Queen Ingrid as Mulher wrote:
Queen Ingrid never retired, she simply quietly carried out fewer and fewer functions, so the issue of her apanage was never on the table. Because officially she remained a fully active, working and functioning member of the DRF - while PH is in some kind of limbo.
I also wants to add that Queen Ingrid from about 1993 was very bent over, but she still continued to do some engagements.

It became even more difficult for her when she fell in 1997 (at the age of 87) and broke her left femur in the Kancellihuset at Fredensborg. But even after that she showed up to some things - first with a walker and in 2000 (for QMII's 60th birthday and some other engagements) in a wheelchair.

How do I know this? I have three books about her including a memory book from mellemgaard.
 
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Osipi, do you mean the british Queen Mother or Queen Ingrid?

Because the QM didn't retire at all (not officially or in reality) - she had about 50 engagements in 2001 at the age of 100/101.

You're absolutely correct and I was amiss in stating the QEQM retired. She wound down quite a bit as age advanced but like the rest of her life, she never stopped doing. :D
 
I think there's a good contrast between the retirements of Prince Henrik and Prince Philip; both are elderly men who immigrated to a new country and married women who became Queen.

To be fair, Prince Philip left Greece as a baby, lived for a while in Paris, and moved to the UK when he was about 7 years old if I'm not mistaken. So, I don't think we can say the UK was exactly a "foreign land" to him as Denmark was to Prince Henrik.

Maybe a better comparison would be Prince Bernhard or Prince Claus, both of whom had to move to the Netherlands when they were already adults.


Although in the past the husbands of some Queens have had the tile King most of them remained Princes and certainly there is no example in recent history.

Many in the UK have found it strange that Prince Philip has never had the title Prince Consort especially as the title was in use for Prince Albert.

The convention of calling the wife of a reigning queen a king is mostly associated with Portugal and Spain. There is a difference, however, between a king "jure uxoris", i.e. effectively a co-monarch, as Philip I of Castile was as the husband of Queen Juana, and a king consort, as was the case of Isabella II's husband, King Francis. It is also noteworthy that, under the current royal decree regulating the titles and styles of the Spanish royal family, the husband of a future reigning Queen of Spain (e.g. Princess Leonore's husband when she ascends the throne) will have the dignity only of "Prince" with the style "Royal Highness" and, therefore, won't be entitled to be called "King" or "Majesty" as was the case in the past.

In England, on the other hand, the last king jure uxoris was , I suppose, Philip II of Spain while he was married to Mary I. William III's legal status was somewhat different, as evidentiated by the fact that he continued to reign after Mary II (his wife) was deceased.
 
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I discovered now that I had written: ''QMII's 50th birthday'' in my above post, but I meant of course her 60th birthday, so I've edited it.

I've had a very busy day, and my writing is therefore worse than usual.
 
That was a (republican) Guardian article, and some of these 40/50 people who worked for the QM started working for the Queen.



Osipi, do you mean the british Queen Mother or Queen Ingrid?

Because the QM didn't retire at all (not officially or in reality) - she had about 50 engagements in 2001 at the age of 100/101.

Queen Ingrid as Mulher wrote:
I also wants to add that Queen Ingrid from about 1993 was very bent over, but she still continued to do some engagements.

It became even more difficult for her when she fell in 1997 (at the age of 87) and broke her left femur in the Kancellihuset at Fredensborg. But even after that she showed up to some things - first with a walker and in 2000 (for QMII's 60th birthday and some other engagements) in a wheelchair.

How do I know this? I have three books about her including a memory book from mellemgaard.
Lets not forget how well respected & much loved Queen Ingrid was by the Danish people. I dont think anyone had the idea to put her on a budget after 70 years of service without complaining & always putting Denmark. If anyone thought so it wouldve been social harakiri to share it with others. Im sure the same goes for the Queen Mother.
 
I think the difference is that other royals who have 'retired' whether announcing it or just slowly being seen less do so because of old age and because they are less and less able to physically (or mentally) do them. Henrik doesn't seem to fit into that category IMO based on the number of overseas holidays he has been on. His background and demands for title of King mean people look at his retirement as being about that not old age.
 
Lets not forget how well respected & much loved Queen Ingrid was by the Danish people. I dont think anyone had the idea to put her on a budget after 70 years of service without complaining & always putting Denmark. If anyone thought so it wouldve been social harakiri to share it with others. Im sure the same goes for the Queen Mother.
Agree, but as Muhler wrote in this post, Queen Ingrid was more respected rather than loved:
Queen Ingrid was actually pretty unpopular until WWII and the Occupation, later on she became immensely respected. Respected rather than loved, mind you. But no one were ever in doubt that she was firmly behind her daughter, QMII. She fully accepted her role as supporting royal after the death of Frederik IX. And her devotion to duty was never questioned, even to the very end.

To other posters here:

1. Queen Ingrid never retired officially, and as I wrote in my above post, she still (despite her frailty) continued to do engagements. So she can therefore not be compared to Henrik.

2. Ingrid was a dowager Queen - Henrik is the consort and is in much better shape than his mother-in-law was (at least physically) and he don't even bother to show up at his wife's birthday celebrations. Queen Ingrid in a wheelchair aged 90 and very frail showed up to parts of her dagther 60th birthday.
 
I don't disagree with the latter part of your post - that's where I was trying to get with mine in the comparison between the two - but I don't think the age difference between the two men is a factor.

Yes, the DoE is older, but at 83 Henrik isn't exactly a young man himself. Where he in any other role, a retirement likely would have happened years ago.

The difference is more that the DoE got over being second to his wife and embraced his role. Prince Henrik seems to have not done the same.

Henrik is indeed an elderly man, and I'm not suggesting that people should be giving 110 percent to their work until they keel over on the job. But Henrik has done some pretty strenuous outings, vacations, etc, since his retirement. He's clearly not incapacitated and it seems like he could manage a reduced but regular schedule of engagements.

And I agree, part of this being an issue is that Henrik could have done much more with his role in Denmark and chose not to. The Duke of Edinburgh is an example of the route Henrik might have taken but a more apt comparison might be Crown Princess Mary. I doubt there will be many Danes who will begrudge a future elderly Mary an ongoing apanage should she full out retire. But I imagine she'll go the Queen Ingrid route.
 
That "King-thing" is dragged into discussion again and again. Prince Henrik has made remarks about the fact that female consorts are addressed with their spouse's style and male consorts not. I do not agree with him, but undeniably he had a point. In the Netherlands Pieter van Vollenhoven made remarks about that as well: his sons are Princes, his daughters-in-law are addressed as "Princess" but he himself is Mr Van Vollenhoven. Exact the same situation Christopher O'Neill is in, by the way

That Prince Henrik made valid remarks about this schizophrenic situation is Daily Mail-lized as "I want to be King Henrik!" which is just loosing all nuance and sensationalizing it. This "controverse" should not play a role in my humble opinion.

After almost 50 years of service to Denmark's Queen, seen his advanced age, and not so blessed with a healthy constitution as the far more ascetic-living Prince Philip, he announced to take a step back in the public execution of his royal function. Queen Ingrid indeed just "faded away" but we see in Belgium that also this tactic does raise questions: "Where are King Albert and Queen Paola???"

Prince Henrik more or less did the same as Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard: announcing that they would cease the public execution of their royal function and only appear so now and then in public at (usually family related) events. The way Prince Henrik did was transparent. He communicated that be would end his public role, with exceptions so now and then. This saves the Palace the eternal question (like in Belgium): "Where is the Prince? Why is he not here?"

Yes, the Prince seems doing relatively well but his health is poor and his mobility is limited. His life as a bonvivant and as a gourmand loving delicious food took a toll. The Prince knows his body best. Maybe he can vacationing, but maybe he feels he can not stand long, he can not concentrate for long, maybe he feels exhausted on some days, or not too self-assured not to make a nasty fall in public. Maybe he feels his memory is showing more and more blank spaces. Maybe he felt it is better to step back on time, to avoid painful situations. Now he has some good periods but who has a crystal ball? For the same money he will have Alzheimer in two years time and bound to his home. The Prince is so right to explore his -naturally- limited timespan left in a way he likes, like all retired people hope to do. He has deserved it. Best wishes to the Prince.
 
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Gender equality is not applicable in royalty.. Women get away easily in these things, except for fashion. But for men it's very tough. Can't compare Henrik with either QI or QM or future Mary.
Yes DoE is a good comparison, but he has learnt to be more pragmatic and accepting within the first few decades, and had insight and mentors from the core of royalty.He had seen far worse and learnt to be grateful for what he had. Henrik lacked all of these except for a feeling of aristocratic entitlement, and he tended to over express it as age advanced. This didn't work out with today's media/public..
 
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That "King-thing" is dragged into discussion again and again. Prince Henrik has made remarks about the fact that female consorts are addressed with their spouse's style and male consorts not. I do not agree with him, but undeniably he had a point. In the Netherlands Pieter van Vollenhoven made remarks about that as well: his sons are Princes, his daughters-in-law are addressed as "Princess" but he himself is Mr Van Vollenhoven. Exact the same situation Christopher O'Neill is in, by the way


Chris O'Neill's situation is different though. If I understand it correctly, he could have become a "Prins av Sverige" and "Hertig av Hälsingland och Gästrikland" with the style H.K.H. , but he declined both titles when he refused to become a Swedish citizen.

Generally speaking then, the Swedish court now follows gender neutrality when it comes to the titles of wives or husbands of princes/ princesses. i.e. the same rules that applied to Sofia would have applied to Chris if he had taken up Swedish citizenship. Unequal treatment applies only to consorts of the heir to the throne. Victoria for example is officially entitled "Sveriges Kronprinsessa", but Daniel is not "Sveriges Kronprins", but rather only a "Prins av Sverige" . When Victoria becomes queen, I'm pretty sure he won't be king either, although it is unclear if he will get some other title such as "Prince Consort".

H.K.H. Kronprinsessan Victoria

H.K.H. Prins Daniel


PS: Back to Prince Henrik, your words imply almost as a fact that he is experiencing some kind of mental decline as was the case with Queen Juliana. I don't want to speculate about that, as it is a private matter that doesn't concern us, but I wonder where the evidence for your implied certainty comes from. You don't need to answer publicly if you think these matters should not be discussed openly in the forum.
 
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Gender equality is not applicable in royalty.. Women get away easily in these things, except for fashion. But for men it's very tough. Can't compare Henrik with either QI or QM or future Mary.
Yes DoE is a good comparison, but he has learnt to be more pragmatic and accepting within the first few decades, and had insight and mentors from the core of royalty.He had seen far worse and learnt to be grateful for what he had. Henrik lacked all of these except for a feeling of aristocratic entitlement, and he tended to over express it as age advanced. This didn't work out with today's media/public..

I strongly disagree that royal women get away more easily with anything compared to royal men. Women who marry into royal families are expected to hit the ground running, no muss no fuss. A woman who married into a royal family who acted with the sense of entitlement Henrik has would have been crucified. The women in these families are under a microscope in ways that men aren't, both with regard to fashion but also their job performance, their parenting skills, their relationship with their families, their husband's families, their friends.

Royal men, both actual royals and those who married in, are allowed to have quirks, they're allowed to have egos, they're allowed to get angry, they're allowed to treat their families poorly because "boys will be boys", they're allowed to express thoughts and opinions and have them treated with more validity than those same thoughts would be if expressed by a woman. So basically exactly the same as non-royal men, except with castles and the occasional crown!
 
I strongly disagree that royal women get away more easily with anything compared to royal men. Women who marry into royal families are expected to hit the ground running, no muss no fuss. A woman who married into a royal family who acted with the sense of entitlement Henrik has would have been crucified. The women in these families are under a microscope in ways that men aren't, both with regard to fashion but also their job performance, their parenting skills, their relationship with their families, their husband's families, their friends.

Royal men, both actual royals and those who married in, are allowed to have quirks, they're allowed to have egos, they're allowed to get angry, they're allowed to treat their families poorly because "boys will be boys", they're allowed to express thoughts and opinions and have them treated with more validity than those same thoughts would be if expressed by a woman. So basically exactly the same as non-royal men, except with castles and the occasional crown!

I think you need to see it from the perspective of the royal husband. Most men still expect to be the heads of their household or, if not, at least to live in a so-called "equal marriage". Being reduced, however, to the position of a "sidekick" whose job , as Daniel said once in an interview, is merely to "support your wife in her official role " is not something most men would feel comfortable with.

I don't want to sound sexist, but in a way, even in the 21st century, it is still much easier for a woman to give up her career and private life to become a full-time royal consort than it is for a man. In particular, the fact that, nowadays in countries like Britain, the Netherlands, or Sweden, a royal husband can't even pass his family name to his descendants is something that must be especially hurtful.
 
I think you need to see it from the perspective of the royal husband. Most men still expect to be the heads of their household or, if not, at least to live in a so-called "equal marriage". Being reduced, however, to the position of a "sidekick" whose job , as Daniel said once in an interview, is merely to "support your wife in her official role " is not something most men would feel comfortable with.

I don't want to sound sexist, but in a way, even in the 21st century, it is still much easier for a woman to give up her career and private life to become a full-time royal consort than it is for a man. In particular, the fact that, nowadays in countries like Britain, the Netherlands, or Sweden, a royal husband can't even pass his family name to his descendants is something that must be especially hurtful.

So essentially what you're saying is that it's hard for a man to have to put up being treated as poorly as women are as a matter of course? And it's easier for women because they're used to being "reduced" to sidekicks in a marriage and the norm is for them to give things up?

If that's the case then I think there are bigger issues at stake than very privileged men getting their feelings hurt. ?
 
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The convention of calling the wife of a reigning queen a king is mostly associated with Portugal and Spain. There is a difference said:
jure uxoris", [/I]i.e. effectively a co-monarch, as Philip I of Castile was as the husband of Queen Juana, and a king consort, as was the case of Isabella II's husband, King Francis. It is also noteworthy that, under the current royal decree regulating the titles and styles of the Spanish royal family, the husband of a future reigning Queen of Spain (e.g. Princess Leonore's husband when she ascends the throne) will have the dignity only of "Prince" with the style "Royal Highness" and, therefore, won't be entitled to be called "King" or "Majesty" as was the case in the past.

In England, on the other hand, the last king jure uxoris was , I suppose, Philip II of Spain while he was married to Mary I. William III's legal status was somewhat different, as evidentiated by the fact that he continued to reign after Mary II (his wife) was deceased.

Henry Stuart, husband of Mary I of Scotland held the title King Consort. Prince Henrik actually mentioned that the husbands of Scots Queens were called King during one of his rants.

In the UK, Queen Victoria apparently wanted to make Prince Albert King but the Government wouldn't allow it because he was a foreigner.
 
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