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I agree with you, it really looks like punishment.
But according to the court, the changing of his title was his own wish.
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Not among the experts and whatever the papers have asked. They have all sorts of interpretations, going from this underlining PH's new status as a retiree, to him making a statement, to this being an indication of "if I can't be king, forget it! I'll just be a ordinary prince".

But the word on the street is leaning towards QMII really putting her foot down and saying "that's it!" to PH. In other words: he was retired rather than retiring.

But again, anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Right now I'm beginning to lean more towards QMII having had enough and when PH perhaps again-again talked about rather retiring since he's a nobody anyway, QMII took him at his word, probably leaving him stunned.
I must admit there is a little devil whispering in my ear that PH embarked on his trek hoping he would "be missed" and "called back" and when that didn't happen he returned to DK and took on a couple of official duties to "smooth" things out a bit. But to no avail, he's now officially a retiree. Period!
The DRF can be a pretty stubborn lot! And I think when QMII really gets mad PH, like most husbands, better dive for cover!
I still believe she loves him dearly, but that doesn't mean she can't be mad and act accordingly and PH may have painted himself into a corner. So now he's a mere Prince.

A good story, eh?
But to be honest, that's where I stand at the moment and I'm probably wrong.
PLEASE as you live in Denmark, please keep us informed....of the facts and of the people reactions.... thanks in advance.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:06 AM
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Not among the experts and whatever the papers have asked. They have all sorts of interpretations, going from this underlining PH's new status as a retiree, to him making a statement, to this being an indication of "if I can't be king, forget it! I'll just be a ordinary prince".

But the word on the street is leaning towards QMII really putting her foot down and saying "that's it!" to PH. In other words: he was retired rather than retiring.

But again, anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Right now I'm beginning to lean more towards QMII having had enough and when PH perhaps again-again talked about rather retiring since he's a nobody anyway, QMII took him at his word, probably leaving him stunned.
I must admit there is a little devil whispering in my ear that PH embarked on his trek hoping he would "be missed" and "called back" and when that didn't happen he returned to DK and took on a couple of official duties to "smooth" things out a bit. But to no avail, he's now officially a retiree. Period!
The DRF can be a pretty stubborn lot! And I think when QMII really gets mad PH, like most husbands, better dive for cover!
I still believe she loves him dearly, but that doesn't mean she can't be mad and act accordingly and PH may have painted himself into a corner. So now he's a mere Prince.

A good story, eh?
But to be honest, that's where I stand at the moment and I'm probably wrong.
PLEASE as you live in Denmark, please keep us informed....of the facts and of the people reactions.... thanks in advance.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:11 AM
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One of the more worrying sides to this story, is the popularity of the Queen. It seems very clear to me that much of the debate that could had been is dampened by the fact that the Queen is both very popular, and also is seen with more sympathetic eyes, now that she has been left to fulfill the role and functions of the Crown on her own, despite her partner still being alive and as far as the public knows, is within his full faculties. I am quite convinced that the Prince would had been pressured much harder on this decision and the inherent consequences it has, had it not been for the Queens standing in Denmark, and her decision to, in her own words, 'understand and accept it'. The thing about popularity is of course, that one can only draw on it so often before it wears thin, and I would hope very much that the Queen is not negatively affected in any way, trying to cover and shield the Prince from the criticism and questions that naturally come from this decision.

Here again lies the PR-issue for me. If the Prince, and/or the Court, were forward-leaning and anticipatory of the issues that would arise following this decision to retire, the Prince would also announce that his salary would be reduced with the same factor that any Dane has their salary cut, when they go from active worklife, to a retired life (usually 2/3 of the working salary). Despite the lives of members of a Royal Family being significantly different from those of any randomly chosen worker on the streets, it would send a strong signal of respect, and acceptance of every consequence of the choice he has made.

It would also, once again, avoid much of the debate that has and is going on in Danish press and around the dinnertables. A Prince with constant tempertantrums is not very interesting to anyone. A Prince that shows respect and acceptance, will more often than not, get the same in return.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:33 AM
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Some good points, Lady Rohan!

HM's popuarity is definetely a saving grace!
However the royal court has not been terribly proactive when it comes to
damage limitation, and I for one am inclined to think that they've made
this 'ad hoc' solution (the title!) as they went along.

In principle, PM's apanage should be reduced, but it won't happen
for the simple reason - IMHO - that the DRF is not among the wealthiest.
I don't mind, it's peanuts in the state budget, however many Danes
beg to differ.
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Old 04-15-2016, 08:33 AM
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It would also, once again, avoid much of the debate that has and is going on in Danish press and around the dinnertables. A Prince with constant tempertantrums is not very interesting to anyone. A Prince that shows respect and acceptance, will more often than not, get the same in return.
Exactly.
The issue about his apanage is very much on the agenda and it needs to be cut, or rather transferred to the rest of the DRF. And now I think it will be cut sooner, rather than later.

PH actually still has a good deal of sympathy. He is a bit like the eccentric uncle of the family. Sometimes we want to wack him on the head with a barge-pole, but he's his own and quite entertaining and most of the time still likable.
But if he lets his wife down once more on the balcony tomorrow, that is going to be a PR-disaster for him! Once was bad enough, but twice and right after reverting to being a prince again? Unless QMII is seen standing on the balcony tossing PH's dachshund up in the air, he'll get all the blame for this. And he'd better retire to France, because the public might turn their backs on him. And once you are outed by the tribe...

So don't you worry, this thread is going to be alive and well for quite some time yet!
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Old 04-27-2016, 09:02 AM
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I rather suspect that PH doesn't really understand the workings of royalty. He wanted to be King and said in an interview:

“All the queens in the history of the world have made their husbands king consort. Why should I be under my wife?”

But this is nonsense. If you look at Queens who have reigned within living memory, Wilhelmina, Juliana, Beatrix, Salote and Elizabeth, none of their husbands has held the title of King. It is just not the way it's done and PH should think himself lucky, for some reason Elizabeth hasn't even given Philip the title of Prince Consort which nobody can understand. I think that Henrik is being very immature in his behaviour.
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I rather suspect that PH doesn't really understand the workings of royalty. He wanted to be King and said in an interview:

“All the queens in the history of the world have made their husbands king consort. Why should I be under my wife?”

But this is nonsense. If you look at Queens who have reigned within living memory, Wilhelmina, Juliana, Beatrix, Salote and Elizabeth, none of their husbands has held the title of King. It is just not the way it's done and PH should think himself lucky, for some reason Elizabeth hasn't even given Philip the title of Prince Consort which nobody can understand. I think that Henrik is being very immature in his behaviour.

The consorts of reigning queens in Spain and Portugal had the title of king though, and, a long time ago, when Queen Mary I was married to Philip II of Spain, he also held the title of king in England.
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:03 PM
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I've decided to place this here, rather than in a Swedish thread, because while it may matter for a short while that PH does not go to the celebrations of the Swedish King, in the long run it's more relevant here.

It sure has been noted in Sweden that PH is not attending! Especially as the SRF and DRF are so close in every way and as such the Danish press and public have taken it up as well. Even the main news on TV2 at 19.00 had a 30 second segment.
BT has summarized the Swedish opinion: Henrik chokerer i Sverige: Dropper kongens fødselsdag

And the Swedish public feel a bit snubbed on behalf of their royal family. It's very much akin to the heads of village A don't go to celebrate a big event in village B.
Instead PH will attend a dinner in the Historical Society of Orders, for which he is patron. That doesn't placate the Swedes and admittedly had it been the other way around it wouldn't have placated the Danes.
QMII is not blamed by the Swedes. On the contrary they feel PH has let down his wife. The point being that even if you are retired you go with your wife to family gatherings. Also if it's the extended family.

Experts have pointed out that PH did say he has opted out of the royal roadshow and that is to be taken literally!

- Well, on a personal level. I don't know what to say. PH can have decided he will join the DRF for one of the Swedish baptisms later on, but he may also simply be doing a five-year-old. I.e. have crossed his arms, since he can't be chief he won't play with the other children, never, ever, ever...
It says a lot I think that I even consider the last option!
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:32 PM
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Considering both the Queen as the Crown Prince are attending I would say Denmark is well represented. Prince Hendrik is retired and he can chose what he wants to do, so good for him. I read in a biography of Pieter van Vollenhoven that Princess Margriet always found these royal gatherings rather boring and dreaded going (they were talking about the sixties); perhaps Prince Hendrik feels the same way?
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He also did not attend the celebrations in Norway in January.
He is capable of traveling as we have seen, so this is kinda letting down his "friends" Carl-Gustaf and Harald, and I would say his wife as well.
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Old 04-28-2016, 03:58 PM
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I've decided to place this here, rather than in a Swedish thread, because while it may matter for a short while that PH does not go to the celebrations of the Swedish King, in the long run it's more relevant here.

It sure has been noted in Sweden that PH is not attending! Especially as the SRF and DRF are so close in every way and as such the Danish press and public have taken it up as well. Even the main news on TV2 at 19.00 had a 30 second segment.
BT has summarized the Swedish opinion: Henrik chokerer i Sverige: Dropper kongens fødselsdag

And the Swedish public feel a bit snubbed on behalf of their royal family. It's very much akin to the heads of village A don't go to celebrate a big event in village B.
Instead PH will attend a dinner in the Historical Society of Orders, for which he is patron. That doesn't placate the Swedes and admittedly had it been the other way around it wouldn't have placated the Danes.
QMII is not blamed by the Swedes. On the contrary they feel PH has let down his wife. The point being that even if you are retired you go with your wife to family gatherings. Also if it's the extended family.

Experts have pointed out that PH did say he has opted out of the royal roadshow and that is to be taken literally!

- Well, on a personal level. I don't know what to say. PH can have decided he will join the DRF for one of the Swedish baptisms later on, but he may also simply be doing a five-year-old. I.e. have crossed his arms, since he can't be chief he won't play with the other children, never, ever, ever...
It says a lot I think that I even consider the last option!
I wonder if Carl Gustav, Harold, Silvia and Sonja have been privy to Henrik's comments/moods over the decades and don't mind that he's not coming to the party.
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Considering both the Queen as the Crown Prince are attending I would say Denmark is well represented. Prince Hendrik is retired and he can chose what he wants to do, so good for him. I read in a biography of Pieter van Vollenhoven that Princess Margriet always found these royal gatherings rather boring and dreaded going (they were talking about the sixties); perhaps Prince Hendrik feels the same way?
Perhaps.

But that's something I think we are all familiar with, but we do have social obligations so we show up for three hours of boredom at aunt Olga's birthday on a sunny Sunday afternoon, where we sit wondering what would happen to her six dusty cats if we had brought along the neighbors two dobermanns Adolf and Brutalis.
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I tend to agree. It is different for say Albert and Paola. Albert abdicated for health reasons. Its understandable that he would leave the public eye and make perhaps an odd appearance. Considering how close the Scandi royals are, it does seem odd Henrik couldn't make the trip for a birthday. Perhaps Norway is the reason he didn't. He didn't make it to Harald's event for whatever reason, so thought it would be rude to attend CG's
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I honestly don't see the issue.

He is attending an official dinner of which he is patron. As previously stated, Denmark will be represented by it's Queen and Crown Princess Couple. You can't get any better than that. It's not like they sent a lowly government official.

If Henrik is close personally to Carl Gustaf, they might be both disappointed that he isn't attending or might meet at a later date to celebrate his milestone in private. We will never know. Or perhaps he is okay with Henrik not attending.

I also think it doesn't matter to most Swedes if Henrik attends or doesn't attend. They hardly feel snubbed...so the magazine is comfortable speaking for a majority of the Swedish population?!
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I honestly don't see the issue.

He is attending an official dinner of which he is patron. As previously stated, Denmark will be represented by it's Queen and Crown Princess Couple. You can't get any better than that. It's not like they sent a lowly government official.

If Henrik is close personally to Carl Gustaf, they might be both disappointed that he isn't attending or might meet at a later date to celebrate his milestone in private. We will never know. Or perhaps he is okay with Henrik not attending.

I also think it doesn't matter to most Swedes if Henrik attends or doesn't attend. They hardly feel snubbed...so the magazine is comfortable speaking for a majority of the Swedish population?!

Well...That changes quite a few things...

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I think the controversy is more because not attending family events makes it look more likely that this is a de facto separation in their marriage.

That may not be the case, but it all seems so odd.


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IIRC Crown Prince Frederik did not attend the king's 60th birthday as he had another engagement (sailing competition). I do not remember it was an issue back than, but maybe my memory fails me.
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... I read in a biography of Pieter van Vollenhoven that Princess Margriet always found these royal gatherings rather boring and dreaded going (they were talking about the sixties); perhaps Prince Hendrik feels the same way?
No, that is simply not the case here. Prince Henrik has always loved and enjoyed these parties and royal gatherings. So it is a bit odd that he doesn´t attend the birthday of King Carl Gustav.
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There have over the past few weeks been speculations as to PH moving permanently to Chateau Cayx. That was started by the gossip-magazine Her & Nu.

Today in Billed Bladet #20, Lene Balleby responds.

Lene Balleby says: "It is not true that Prince Henrik moves permanently to France. Prince Henrik has always been fond of staying at Cayx when it is possible and with fewer official engagements following his retirement, that is now possible more and more often. There is no more to it".
She also emphasize that there are no plans to relocate PH's staff to Chateau Cayx either.

PH's secretary Olivier Lesénécal (who is half French) have for a number of years worked from Cayx, just as he runs the chateau on a daily basis.
There are people employed in the local souvenir shop and when the Regent Couple are in residence a local chef and waiter/footman is hired.
It may be that PH will bring his valet with him when going to France, but there is nothing new in that.
QMII also bring her LiW and an adjutant with her when she goes there.
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