Prince Henrik: "I Should Be King" Discussion


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Exactly. The thing is that in some documents it says "the king" and not the monarch. Which doesn't matter much right now. But if there was a King Consort that wanted to take of advantage of that it could get really nasty. So they would have to change documents (which usually is a rather long process). So it's just easier to keep it as it is for the moment.

The Swedish Instrument of Government says that the person who is King or Queen according to the Act of Succession is the Head of State and, then, uses "Head of State" throughout the rest of the document, instead of King or monarch. The constitution of New Zealand, as I explained before, uses the term Sovereign and defines Sovereign to be the same person who is entitled to occupy the UK throne under the Act of Settlement (as amended, e.g. in NZ, by the Royal Succession Act 2013).

In other words, there are many ways to avoid any legal confusion between the King Consort and a Sovereign King, Out of respect for tradition, I agree though that the best solution is simply to call all royal consorts prince or princess with the style HRH. That will be the case with Camilla in the UK and, hopefully, it will set a precedent for future would-be "queens" by marriage.
 
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The Swedish Instrument of Government says that the person who is King or Queen according to the Act of Succession is the Head of State and, then, uses "Head of State" throughout the rest of the document, instead of King or monarch. The constitution of New Zealand, as I explained before, uses the term Sovereign and defines Sovereign to be the same person who is entitled to occupy the UK throne under the Act of Settlement (note: that article was later amended when the Succession to the Crown Act was incorporated into NZ law as some parts of the Act of Settlement are no longer in force).

In other words, there are many ways to avoid any legal confusion between the King Consort and a Sovereign King, Out of respect for tradition, I agree though that the best solution is simply to call all royal consorts prince or princess with the style HRH. That will be the case with Camilla in the UK and, hopefully, it will set a precedent for future would-be "queens" by marriage.
Yeah, I didn't mean that we would have to. I take for granted that they counted on that when changing the succession laws. I was just pointing towards the governmental part of it :)
 
So many things to think about with Henrik bringing this topic again. :bang:

Instead of just being happy and grateful; a lovely wife, two happy sons who have given him 8 healthy grandkids, he brings up this non-issue up.

He really hasn't work on "inequality" issues in society, this is just about him...about what he think he deserves..
If the gov't came out and said Mary will be princess consort not Queen, I still think Henrik will not be happy, because his title wont change.
I think he could care less what happens to future consorts, its about him :whistling::cool:


and i kinda agree with others, I think Henrik is resentful of the fact that it is really his son Frederik that is #2 in the DRF not him;)
 
So many things to think about with Henrik bringing this topic again. :bang:

Instead of just being happy and grateful; a lovely wife, two happy sons who have given him 8 healthy grandkids, he brings up this non-issue up.

He really hasn't work on "inequality" issues in society, this is just about him...about what he think he deserves..
If the gov't came out and said Mary will be princess consort not Queen, I still think Henrik will not be happy, because his title wont change.
I think he could care less what happens to future consorts, its about him :whistling::cool:


and i kinda agree with others, I think Henrik is resentful of the fact that it is really his son Frederik that is #2 in the DRF not him;)
I agree. I see no signs at all that this has to do with general equality. Just ego.
 
Definitely just about the ego, as you say if the Government said "ok, let's make it fair and Mary will be Princess Consort" Henrik would protest again and again for one reason or another to try to justify him being "King".
I think he's an old fashioned man who sees it as his natural role to be the top person in the family and can't stand that he is ranked lower than his wife.
 
I read the article about Henrik might bring up this issue again and again because he previously had good luck with it. But it's not something that makes him any favors among the Danes. As has been pointed out here. Each time Henrik gains popularity he spoils it all by coming up with the "I will be King" issue. A shame as I think Henrik is a lovely grandfather and knowledgeable man.

A good example:

Yesterday, a new Gallup survey conducted for BT was released.

The new Gallup survey showed the DRF's most popular members:

1. Crown Princess Mary
2. Crown Prince Frederik
3. Queen Margrethe
4. Princess Marie
5. Prince Joachim
6. Prince Henrik

In the Spring before Henrik again brought up the "I will be a King problem" the Gallup survey conducted for BT/Berlingske looked like this:

1. Crown Princess Mary
2. Crown Prince Frederik
3. Queen Margrethe
4. Prince Henrik
5. Princess Marie
6. Prince Joachim

Henrik had after his 80th birthday finally gained some popularity among the Danes, but after months with bringing up the "King issue" he has now moved down below Joakim and Marie and are now again the DRF least popular member.
 

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Politikere ryster på hovedet af kongedrøm: Den går ikke, Henrik - Royale | www.bt.dk
The response from the politicians is a: no, forget it, won't happen, too trivial an issue, won't make a difference anyway, what's the difference?
And finally this encouragement from Socialist People's Party (no they are not that socialist, more like left wing Social Democrats): "If gender egality is something that occupy the Prince Consort's mind, I hope to hear him also speak out on other problems regarding gender equality than those that affect himself".(...)

And that's why Henrik's 'desire' become selfish IMO. Because gender equality only matters when it affect himself. AFAIK Henrik otherwise are not interested or working og speak for gender equality.
 
just wondering..
even if he is made king consort, it may not stop at that.
in fact it will embolden him to up his antics.
he may insist the queen share important duties with him.
he may want to make new year speeches alternatively and worse, may even want to make a state visit or two on his own, and insist a few ministries send their legislations to him for approval.
and if anyone objects, he will again start crying that danes are so ungrateful they just gave me a fancy title but dont let me do anything made me and my title a joke this is so humiliating etc etc..
and btw regarding my post in last page about mary being made princess consort, i specifically said "aussie media fans" not aussie fans..it was in reference to the likes of womans day which went erroneously hysterical a few months ago that "qm2 is ready to pass the baton to our mary and make her the next queen"..o something like that..not about our aussie posters. 1 or 2 of them simply got a twist..
 
And that's why Henrik's 'desire' become selfish IMO. Because gender equality only matters when it affect himself. AFAIK Henrik otherwise are not interested or working og speak for gender equality.

There it is. I completely agree with you. It would validate Henrik's thoughts about equality if he actually was outspoken about gender equality in general. He's not. Quite on the contrary, actually. Not only does he seem unable to cope with the fact that his wife ranges higher than him, he has also previously said things like: "there are chores in a home that only a woman can undertake and a man can't do – child care, cooking etc." And to me (and a lot of other Danes, I reckon), that refutes all his moaning about wanting "gender equality" (in quotation marks because the titles of king and queen aren't equal to begin with) introduced within royal ranks.
 
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There it is. I completely agree with you. It would validate Henrik's thoughts about equality if he actually was outspoken about gender equality in general. He's not. Quite on the contrary, actually. Not only does he seem unable to cope with the fact that his wife ranges higher than him, he's also previously said things like: "there are chores in a home that only a woman can undertake and a man can't do – child care, cooking etc." And to me (and a lot of other Danes, I reckon), that refutes all his moaning about wanting "gender equality" (in quotation marks because the titles of king and queen aren't equal to begin with) introduced within royal ranks.
Whoah, he has said stuff like that?! Oh lord. Well then, that just proves it. This is pure ego and no equality. If it was a person very intent on fighting for equality for all I could actually take him seriously.
 
Queen Margarethe needs to order him * Get thee to a Nunnery*...
 
^^^ The Danes are a very wise and level-headed people
 
The solution would be to make all spouses prince/princess consorts, regardless of gender. Something tells me Mary wouldn't appreciate that.
 
The solution would be to make all spouses prince/princess consorts, regardless of gender. Something tells me Mary wouldn't appreciate that.

Strange something tells me it would not worry Mary at all she is there to support Frederik, she does a great job with this now and so would just continue doing the same.
Prince Henrik really does need to get over it, I just wish he wouldn't take the bait when the journalists goes fishing.
 
The solution would be to make all spouses prince/princess consorts, regardless of gender. Something tells me Mary wouldn't appreciate that.

What makes you think that? :ermm: Personally, I don't think Mary gives a hoot about titles. Unlike Henrik, I think she recognises that extremely privileged people moaning about something as silly as titles makes them seem really ungrateful. But I don't see why she shouldn't be made Queen when the time comes. As it's been mentioned countless of times before: historically, Queens range lower than Kings.
 
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The solution would be to make all spouses prince/princess consorts, regardless of gender. Something tells me Mary wouldn't appreciate that.

Regardless of what they do to Mary and future consorts, and how she feels about it; this will not please Henrik.
He is not fighting for "equality" . this is just about him and his title.

Making all future spouses consorts will not please Henrik since what he wants is for his title to be "elevated"

Strange something tells me it would not worry Mary at all she is there to support Frederik, she does a great job with this now and so would just continue doing the same.
Prince Henrik really does need to get over it, I just wish he wouldn't take the bait when the journalists goes fishing.

Agree. Mary has done an excellent job in her role and as a support to Frederik. I dont believe she would be hung out about it. :flowers:

She gets on with it and works hard
 
Regardless of what they do to Mary and future consorts, and how she feels about it; this will not please Henrik.
He is not fighting for "equality" . this is just about him and his title.

Making all future spouses consorts will not please Henrik since what he wants is for his title to be "elevated"

I very much agree with you that nothing short of getting his way will appease Henrik and even then as some have pointed out, who knows if he'll stop his pushiness at that point. :ermm:

In terms of Mary, my thinking is that if you've been concentrating on filling a certain position and your peers have been raising to that same title, it might be a bit disappointing to not attain that level. Perhaps she could care less. If so, then kudos to her as I think that is a mature attitude. :flowers:
 
Summary of Q&A in Billed Bladet #44, 2015.
Where a Christina Rasmussen is embarrassed by PH wanting to be king and why does the DRF continue to allow him going on like that?

Jon Bloch Skipper explains that any changes in PH's title is solely up to QMII, so she's got the ape. (Because she is the only one who can request the Parliament, through the government, to change PH's status to king since this requires a change of the Constitution. Any other titles does not require the approval of the Parliament).

Then he adds: "Having said that I also wonder why the court doesn't soon put a lid on this discussion, which is not in line with Danish history and tradition and which hurt the Prince Consort personally and the DRF as an institution.
Many Danes no doubt support the Prince Consort and feel he has been unfairly treated. But an increasing number, yours truly included, also believe He'd be wise in accepting things like they are and publicly express more satisfaction and gratitude over the, after all, tolerable life he has been given. Humility, as you know, go before glory".

- Well, no comments needed...
 
“The King of Denmark”

Over the last week or so, in the course of criticizing or making fun of the several mistakes of President Trump, some comedians and pundits have used the line
“Who insults the King of Denmark?”, (presumably referring to the failed offer for the US to purchase Greenland).

After Denmark and Greenland firmly rejected the offer, Trump cancelled his proposed state visit. The Queen was not amused, I assume.
 
Over the last week or so, in the course of criticizing or making fun of the several mistakes of President Trump, some comedians and pundits have used the line
“Who insults the King of Denmark?”, (presumably referring to the failed offer for the US to purchase Greenland).

After Denmark and Greenland firmly rejected the offer, Trump cancelled his proposed state visit. The Queen was not amused, I assume.

The quote I heard yesterday on CNN referred to the “ Kingdom of Denmark”, not the King. Anyway, US journalists should know better that Denmark currently has a reigning Queen rather than a King
 
The quote I heard yesterday on CNN referred to the “ Kingdom of Denmark”, not the King. Anyway, US journalists should know better that Denmark currently has a reigning Queen rather than a King

I’m reasonably sure that journalists know that, but not all pundits (aka ‘talking heads’) are journalists. At any rate, the comedians were enjoying their joke.
 
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