Prince Henrik Diagnosed with Dementia: September 2017 & Further Health Issues


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I generally like Henrik for a lot of reasons (that don't entail his tantrums about wanting to be King) but I don't quite think you're being fair to Juliana here. As far as I know, she never threw hissy fits because she couldn't get what she wanted – actually, her kind of strong will was quite the opposite of Henrik's kind of strong will.

Oh yes, oh yes, Queen Juliana had numerous clashes with the Government, for an example the Faith Healer at the Court rocked her kingship. She also refused to assent death penalties for Nazi war criminals convicted by special tribunals, which clashed inside the executive power (the Government) on it's turn clashing with the legislative power (Parliament, which enabled these tribunals) and the juridical power (Justice, which had spoken). Juliana also was known for filibustering when Acts, approved by Parliament, or Decrees approved by the Cabinet, were waiting for her assent when she did not agree, despite the total lack of any democratic mandate on her side to act like that. When Prince Bernhard was suspected to have been open for briberies by Lockheed (the Prince lobbying for the purchase of 220 fighter jets inside the Cabinet) it was Juliana which blocked the rule of law to keep her husband out of hands of Justice. Oh boy, Prince Henrik's erratics are nothing compated with Juliana's.
 
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I Wonder how awful it must be for him, as he is still able to understand to know that everybody in the world know of his problem.....
 
:previous: Having to "Go Public" must have been a tough decision. Henrik's public behaviour must have been a nightmare but I think the family were in denial as well. To me that is the only explanation for his unrestrained outbursts and especially his horrendous railing at his wife.

But the fact that he was allowed to continue on without restraint speaks of the family's indecision, feeling or believing that something was wrong but yet not taking steps to confirm it and act accordingly. That his condition is surprisingly more advanced than many of his age also speaks to that indecision and also Henrik's behaviour.
 
:previous: Having to "Go Public" must have been a tough decision. Henrik's public behaviour must have been a nightmare but I think the family were in denial as well. To me that is the only explanation for his unrestrained outbursts and especially his horrendous railing at his wife.

But the fact that he was allowed to continue on without restraint speaks of the family's indecision, feeling or believing that something was wrong but yet not taking steps to confirm it and act accordingly. That his condition is surprisingly more advanced than many of his age also speaks to that indecision and also Henrik's behaviour.
An person who is an adult and is, at the time, of legal capacity can refuse medical intervention, unless they are a danger to themselves or the public. It would not surprise me if his immediate and extended family have tried to persuade him to get assessed for many months, or even years, but Prince Henrik refused.

I suspect other incidents occurred around his hospitalisation and outburst that meant that assessing him for degenerative brain diseases (i.e. dementia, Alzheimers) was no longer his decision. My reasoning behind this opinion is when it was stated that his cognitive functions had deteriorated more than expected.
 
An person who is an adult and is, at the time, of legal capacity can refuse medical intervention, unless they are a danger to themselves or the public. It would not surprise me if his immediate and extended family have tried to persuade him to get assessed for many months, or even years, but Prince Henrik refused.
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Exactly. It could be, that his family has known something was wrong but he has refused to cooperate until now. Can you even do an assessment like that without the patient cooperating?
 
In the recent pictures when PH was out just a day or so ago, can't remember what the event was yet Frederik was giving his dad a hug.........I saw a look of not really there in PH's eyes and felt such a sense of sadness for Frederik as he knows he is losing his dad. I so wish this had not been the case with PH and that he just was going to be okay.......I so adore Queen Daisy and her family and wish them the very best for these are going to be very hard times for the entire family.
 
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The photos may have been from a funeral of a close friend of Henrik's that both he and Frederik attended.
 
Thank you Katrianna,

That was the time period I was thinking of and could not remember. I just saw PH in a very different light this time and it was sad to see him like this.
 
Exactly. It could be, that his family has known something was wrong but he has refused to cooperate until now. Can you even do an assessment like that without the patient cooperating?
I'm not sure about Denmark, but in Australia, if family or medical practitioners believe there is just-cause for a mental health assessment, one can be performed without the consent of the patient. It all comes down to if the person is exhibiting behaviours that can cause themselves, or others harm. His outburst regarding his being King consort, his burial wishes etc wouldn't be enough. I believe other incidents have occurred for an assessment to be conducted.
 
I'm not sure about Denmark, but in Australia, if family or medical practitioners believe there is just-cause for a mental health assessment, one can be performed without the consent of the patient. It all comes down to if the person is exhibiting behaviours that can cause themselves, or others harm. His outburst regarding his being King consort, his burial wishes etc wouldn't be enough. I believe other incidents have occurred for an assessment to be conducted.

I think laws in Denmark and The Netherlands are not that different and my family are in the same position as the DRF. We believe my father has onset dimentia but he refuses to see his doctor. And his doctor refusus to examine him unless he gives consent. Things would be different if it were a medical necessity but it isn’t. This “limbo” doesn’t change untill dimentia gets so bad he becomes a danger to himself and those around him. At that point the courts would need to get involved. Frustrating to see...
 
I think laws in Denmark and The Netherlands are not that different and my family are in the same position as the DRF. We believe my father has onset dimentia but he refuses to see his doctor. And his doctor refusus to examine him unless he gives consent. Things would be different if it were a medical necessity but it isn’t. This “limbo” doesn’t change untill dimentia gets so bad he becomes a danger to himself and those around him. At that point the courts would need to get involved. Frustrating to see...

I believe the laws regarding mental health are the same here in the United States. A person cannot be committed or forced to undergo psychiatric evaluation without their consent UNLESS they demonstrate a clear and present danger to themselves or others. The problem with dementia is that it can take a while to get to that stage, and by then, there's very little that can be done. Obviously we don't know how long PH has been sick, but it's likely been a while, with things only becoming dire recently.
 
Exactly. It could be, that his family has known something was wrong but he has refused to cooperate until now. Can you even do an assessment like that without the patient cooperating?

Yes and no. Strictly speaking you can't subject someone who is still considered of sound mindto an examination against their will. But there are ways around that, especially if the person really is suffering from dementia. You can "persuade" the person in question to undergo an examination or to give his/her consent to something. Even though that person may not fully understand what it is. It's simply a matter of how you present the issue. It happens all the time - quietly and simply out of necessity.
You may say that the patient is tricked into something, but it inevitably happens with the understanding of the relatives.
And once the diagnosis is there, saying Dementia, the courts will turn a blind eye. Keep in mind that people suffering from Dementia are not automatically declared unable to look after themselves. It takes a while, years perhaps. In the meantime they need care. It may be help to buy groceries, for that the caretaker needs money from the client and that can't be done without the consent of the client... so out of necessity...

I'm not sure about Denmark, but in Australia, if family or medical practitioners believe there is just-cause for a mental health assessment, one can be performed without the consent of the patient. It all comes down to if the person is exhibiting behaviours that can cause themselves, or others harm. His outburst regarding his being King consort, his burial wishes etc wouldn't be enough. I believe other incidents have occurred for an assessment to be conducted.

The law in DK is very similar. But as I wrote above, there are ways around it.

I do not believe a man who is as proud as PH would willingly undergo a "head-examination". So somehow PH has been "persuaded" to undergo the examination. Whether he fully understood what kind of examination he was going through is another matter. He has also given his consent to undergo that examination - or more correctly - he could have refused to have undergone the examination the "doctor found medically prudent" to subject him to. - After all how many of us will refuse if our GP send us to the hospital to undergo "a routine-check"? I won't, I generally trust my doctors.
What happens next, if it hasn't already happened, is that PH will be subjected to a "visitation". Where he will quietly be assessed to ascertain the extent of his dementia. Especially whether he is able to look after himself and what help he needs from the local municipality. (that's not relevant in PH's case. But it's relevant for those healthcare people who already look after him.
After a while a visitation will determine that he is now unable to properly look after himself and it will be recommended to put him first in a "protected housing", followed by a nursing home.
By then the dementia will have progressed to the level that PH is likely to be considered unable to look after his own interests. The judge will take that report into consideration and rule PH unable to look after himself and appoint a guardian, most likely QMII, but it could be Frederik or Joachim as well.
By this time PH will be living in his own private nursing home in one of the palaces.
- And from then on it's only a matter of time...

Towards the end he is likely to revert to a stage of childhood and around the same time he will be very sensitive to being touched. (It's very unpleasant for him!) And he will no longer have a clue as to who it is who is around him, he is likely to recognize them, but he cannot comprehend the connection.

Dementia has different ways to go so to speak.

PH is in the stage where is reacting against the outside. In this case venting an anger and frustration towards QMII.
The next stage is where he is unable to distinguish time-periods and when he is talking he will be mixing up people and events from say the 60's with events in the 90's.
Later on he may begin to wander at night. It's pretty odd, but they tend to pace up and down the floor and corridors at night, always at night.
It's also around this time they tend to "run away". Not necessarily to escape from anything, but because they want to "go home". In PH's case that may be Indochina. Because that may be where he has the best and most fond memories.
At some point he may reverse his personality. Say a person who has always been shy may suddenly curse worse than any sailor or become something of an exhibitionist! (If that happens that will be around the time his younger grandchildren will stop visiting him, for obvious reasons.) Or a socially outgoing person may become very introvert.
And that brings us to one of the least mentioned aspects of Alzheimer: Sexual drive. Fortunately PH hasn't got a daughter, otherwise he could enter the stage where she becomes the focus for his sexual desires, simply because she physically reminds him of his wife, when she was younger. Many family-members have big problems handling that! Both sons and daughters.
He may also lose any comprehension of where he is and why. I have personally heard an Alzheimer client cry for help for hours, day after day. Because he did not understand where he was. Someone had put him in a room and left him there! Imagine you had been kidnapped, you would cry for help as well.
Others quietly go more and more blank. There must be some "pavlov-effect" still going on though. Because place them on a toilet-stool and things happen instantly!
One of the more heartbreaking conditions is where they are scared. They are scared when they leave their room to say eat. They don't know where they are, what they are supposed to do. They don't understand their surroundings and what people do. Imagine yourself as say an American suddenly finding yourself in downtown Calcutta. Somehow you know you are supposed to be there, but you don't understand anything. That's when they pitifully tell you they are scared and they are scared! So you calmly guide them to wherever they are supposed to go. And you can literally feel them relaxing.
At the very end the brain can no longer interpret and process sensory input. Especially sound and nerve endings become affected.
The brain apparently has a tendency to interpret nerve-inputs it cannot comprehend as pain.

- My wife works at a nursing home, she is not working with the clients living there, but clients still living in their own homes. But her office is there and since the majority of clients at the nursing home suffer from various stages of dementia I've met many dementia cases over the years, talked to them and sometimes helped them.
 
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Thank you Muhler for a very in depth look at what Henrik faces in the time to come. The more one knows, the more one realizes just how devastating these diseases can be not only on the person afflicted but their loved ones that fully witness the steady decline of their loved one.
 
God I don't want to know about this awful stuff. Poor Henrik is not the nicest man in the world but we know he has a tragic illness.
 
To quote Maya Angelou "When we know better, we do better".

With knowing what Henrik and the DRF are facing, we have a better understanding of what they're going through and why they're going through these difficult times.
 
Personality changes can be baffling in the early stages. I now realize that my mother was already in the early stages around the time my father died. She was convinced that people were throwing stones at her house at night, and also that people (including me) were stealing from her. Strangely enough, after she was far enough along to be living in a nursing home, she became a petty thief - if she saw something she liked sitting on a tabletop, etc., she took it. After my dad died, she took some of her grieving and anger out on my husband, but when her mind was really going, she changed her tune completely. If I came to visit her alone, her first words were ''where's L. why didn't he come with you?'' It was actually kind of funny, and my husband took it well. The mind is a strange thing.
 
Exactly. It could be, that his family has known something was wrong but he has refused to cooperate until now. Can you even do an assessment like that without the patient cooperating?

Nordic: Just my experience, but my Dad hoarded energy and craftiness to do all he could in physical checkups to conceal his growing issues. For years. In fact, he was able to conceal a lot FROM US for even as he lived with us. He had all the right answers when the "rubber was meeting the road." He could be fully logical, articulate and calm when it suited him - at the doctor's being the best example.

Sure, we knew there were problems, but he was fully functioning and making fairly good choices, even as he was being fairly awful about some things. And he used crankiness as a shield. He would insult us (quite intelligently, I'd point out) until we let up trying to figure out how to best help him.

We never knew how bad things were until one evening when he lost use of his legs, then recovered from that after the fire department showed up and then lost the ability again the next day. It was the physical degradation of this disease that follows the the social issues that brought things to a crisis.

Again, I ask anyone who has not lived through this disease to just ease off and quit evaluating the actions and reactions of the royal family. There are no easy solutions. There are few obvious signposts to follow. It's different which each onset of disease. We lose nothing if we are generous with public figures who just possibly might be physically and/or mentally ill. Gosh knows, I hope people are generous with me as I age. :flowers:
 
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I think laws in Denmark and The Netherlands are not that different and my family are in the same position as the DRF. We believe my father has onset dimentia but he refuses to see his doctor. And his doctor refusus to examine him unless he gives consent. Things would be different if it were a medical necessity but it isn’t. This “limbo” doesn’t change untill dimentia gets so bad he becomes a danger to himself and those around him. At that point the courts would need to get involved. Frustrating to see...

As there is nothing that they can do to change the outcome, there is little incentive to abrogate a persons rights to make their own decisions, until they totally cannot do thus.
 
We are a little luckier in some small way because when a driver turns 75 then 80 and every 2 years thereafter they have to be tested for competency. The test is performed by your family GP and it highlights a lot of dementia cases. Unfortunately if you don't drive it can get missed.

Seemingly out of the blue my mother announced she was moving into a studio unit at a retirement home that catered for the elderly all the way to nursing home and a specialised dementia unit. She knew something wasn't right and made preparations. She was later diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She didn't speak at all for the last 8-10 years of her life and she didn't recognise us for at least the last 5.
 
It is so sad, I am sure this had been for a while and had been escalated lately, this is he retired last year! I can not imagine how difficult for QMII . Though he will have the best care possible! I know somebody who is now forgetting all the time things, he looks normal and can keep a good conversation but you have to tell him things 20 times, also he refuses go to the doctor , physically he is probably better than somebody half his age because he exercise everyday but you can see the brain going......and it is scary how do you take away the driver license from them? you can not make them to understand what they have because they are in denial!
it is really sad! Here in the US medical insurance does not cover if you have demencia, only Alzheimer so I do not know how people deal with it!
 
QMII has for the first time commented in details about PH's condition: Dronningen kommenterer for første gang på prins Henriks helbred - TV 2

She said during an interview while on her state visit to Ghana:
"My husband is really fine at the moment. I've just heard from him and he is in a lovely place in warm countries by the sea and is enjoying it - and is really well. So the delights me very much.
It's odd to make such a journey all alone, but on the other hand, that's the terms/how it is. And when he is fine where he is, then I'm fine where I am".
 
It's odd to make such a journey all alone, but on the other hand, that's the terms/how it is. And when he is fine where he is, then I'm fine where I am".

What does she mean by making the journey alone and that being the terms?
 
if she's on a state visit to Ghana, clearly that is a journey she has to make alone as he is not able to travel with her.
 
This statement made, to me, reflects the deep care and affection that Queen Daisy feels for her life partner. If he's safe and warm and comfortable, that is what matters most.
 
And furthermore, it is not something that can be changed, so these are the new 'terms' under which she has to do her work.

However, she could of course follow former queen Beatrix' example and take the crown prince and crown princess with her on these visits, so she doesn't have to do it alone even though Henrik can no longer accompany her.
 
If Henrik is in 'warm countries by the sea' does that mean that he's enjoying a holiday at the moment in the South of France or maybe Italy with friends and a team of carers? Warm weather actually does make you feel better and more cheerful, I've found.
 
And furthermore, it is not something that can be changed, so these are the new 'terms' under which she has to do her work.

However, she could of course follow former queen Beatrix' example and take the crown prince and crown princess with her on these visits, so she doesn't have to do it alone even though Henrik can no longer accompany her.

Indeed.

And I think this is what she is going to do in the future.
A state visit is planned a year or two in advance, so I guess it may have been too late to also include M&F in this visit.
And while Ghana is a gateway to West Africa it is not a major export/import market. At least not yet. So there will be a limit to the size of the Danish business delegation on this trip. Also including M&F might be "overkill" so to speak.

If Henrik is in 'warm countries by the sea' does that mean that he's enjoying a holiday at the moment in the South of France or maybe Italy with friends and a team of carers? Warm weather actually does make you feel better and more cheerful, I've found.

My guess is that he is currently in Egypt.
PH has a close Danish-Egyptian friend who owns several luxury hotels in Egypt and PH has often stayed there. It's no secret that he isn't fond of the Danish winter.
Here PH can be cared for. - Out of sight. - And away from things that might provoke another tantrum from him.
 
This statement made, to me, reflects the deep care and affection that Queen Daisy feels for her life partner. If he' s safe and warm and comfortable, that is what matters most.
Indeed it is. It's one thing to know he's just at home but another to know he's far away and that he won't be there to welcome her home either. But she is taking joy in the knowledge he is warm and comfortable.
 
My guess is that he is currently in Egypt.
PH has a close Danish-Egyptian friend who owns several luxury hotels in Egypt and PH has often stayed there. It's no secret that he isn't fond of the Danish winter.
Prince Henrik is in Egypt at the moment.
Ekstra Bladet has a couple of photos. Spotted by a fellow Danish tourist, I guess.

Perhaps Queen M will join him (for once) at the end of next week.
She will be abroad for 10 days and the Crown Prince is regent from 1.-10. December.
 
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