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It is now known that Frederik was present at the Queen Round, but whether he was present at the meeting with the PM is not clear to me.
CP Frederik was, according to EB, present at the meeting with the PM.
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Which left wing party pointed at LLR? Sorry, I haven´t been able to follow the news - we had summer party at job yesterday :)
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Which left wing party pointed at LLR? Sorry, I haven´t been able to follow the news - we had summer party at job yesterday :)
None of them (good grief, that would be atrocious). All five left-wing parties (ABFØÅ) pointed at HTS. It was LA and Anders Samuelsen who insisted that LLR try to form a majority government (good luck ) but I'd hardly (i.e. never in my life) call them left-wing ().
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The Radicals too asked for "the widest possible coalition" albeit with Helle Thorning as Royal Investigator. (The Radicals, in their typical style, no doubt exploring the possibilities for entering the government coalition. They have always been turncoats! And why not? Their economic politics is to the right of the Liberals)!
However as two parties have asked for exploring the possibilities for forming a majority government, QMII has appointed Lars Løkke with that task.
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None of them (good grief, that would be atrocious). All five left-wing parties (ABFØÅ) pointed at HTS. It was LA and Anders Samuelsen who insisted that LLR try to form a majority government (good luck ) but I'd hardly (i.e. never in my life) call them left-wing ().
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The losing left wing parties (with the exception of one) all pointed to Helle Thorning, knowing perfectly well that advise will not be followed.
All the other parties pointed to Lars Løkke, the leader of the Liberals.
So now I´m confused...
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Old 06-21-2015, 08:16 AM
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Has Mrs Helle THorning to present her Demission to Her Majesty.

Lucky he has her selfie with Obama and Cameron !!
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But Muhler wrote this:
So now I´m confused...
That's my fault.

The Radicals advised QMII to appoint a Royal Investigator with the task of finding a majority government, with Helle Thorning as the Royal Investigator.
To the press down at the Square they said that a widest possible coalition would be preferable.

They know perfectly well that Helle Thorning is unable to find enough mandates for a majority government with her as PM.
But " a widest possible coalition" means across the bipartisan divide. I.e if the terms are right, they are ready to join a government with the liberal Lars Løkke as PM.
They are doing what the Radicals have always done, switching sides when it suits them.
- The option is actually not that far out! I can imagine a Liberal, Conservative, Radical minority government. Perhaps also including Liberal Alliance. But they would not have a majority and as such have to secure a majority either by courting the Social Democrats and Danish People's Party, depending on the issue.
It may not be the most likely option, but far from impossible.

- BTW rumors are that Lars Løkke is giving up finding a majority government and that a new Queen Round is close. This time he will no doubt be tasked with exploring the options for a minority government.

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Has Mrs Helle THorning to present her Demission to Her Majesty.

Lucky he has her selfie with Obama and Cameron !!
Yeah, hurrah...

Yes, she has handed in her resignation to QMII.

It is now confirmed: Løkke opgiver borgerlig flertalsregering: Det kan ikke lade sig gøre - Politik | www.bt.dk

The Royal Investigator has given up forming a majority government.

He will report back to QMII Monday forenoon. Then presumably a new Queen Round will be called.

- This time no doubt with the purpose of forming a minority government.
It will be interesting who DK will send to the EU summit on Greece Monday. Presumably someone from the current business ministry, but with a very limited mandate.
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Old 06-21-2015, 12:39 PM
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The Radicals advised QMII to appoint a Royal Investigator with the task of finding a majority government, with Helle Thorning as the Royal Investigator.
To the press down at the Square they said that a widest possible coalition would be preferable.

They know perfectly well that Helle Thorning is unable to find enough mandates for a majority government with her as PM.
But " a widest possible coalition" means across the bipartisan divide. I.e if the terms are right, they are ready to join a government with the liberal Lars Løkke as PM.
They are doing what the Radicals have always done, switching sides when it suits them.
- The option is actually not that far out! I can imagine a Liberal, Conservative, Radical minority government. Perhaps also including Liberal Alliance. But they would not have a majority and as such have to secure a majority either by courting the Social Democrats and Danish People's Party, depending on the issue.
It may not be the most likely option, but far from impossible.
This is incorrect. If Radikale in any way intended to back Løkke or to join his government, they wouldn't have pointed at HTS but at him. Furthermore, they would never comply with being in a majority government with Konservative, Liberal Alliance and DF. Venstre, sure, in theory that could (and has) happen, and while I agree with you that Radikale do what benefits themselves only, they would not agree to being in a government with the others – especially not with some they disagree as fundamentally with as DF.

Radikale (and Socialdemokraterne), however, advised that Løkke, in a minority government, would be open to work with them (bredt over midten translates really poorly to English) and not solely lead bloc politics as they did prior to 2011.

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Has Mrs Helle THorning to present her Demission to Her Majesty.

Lucky he has her selfie with Obama and Cameron !!
Lucky she brought Denmark financial stability, more like.
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It is now confirmed: Løkke opgiver borgerlig flertalsregering: Det kan ikke lade sig gøre - Politik | www.bt.dk

The Royal Investigator has given up forming a majority government.

He will report back to QMII Monday forenoon. Then presumably a new Queen Round will be called.

- This time no doubt with the purpose of forming a minority government.
It will be interesting who DK will send to the EU summit on Greece Monday. Presumably someone from the current business ministry, but with a very limited mandate.
Not that it surprises me.

Then Margrethe and Frederik must jump in the neat clothes again tomorrow. Fortunately for Frederik he is already in Copenhagen, Margrethe must book the helicopter again
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Thank you for the explanation, Muhler :)
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This is incorrect. If Radikale in any way intended to back Løkke or to join his government, they wouldn't have pointed at HTS but at him. Furthermore, they would never comply with being in a majority government with Konservative, Liberal Alliance and DF. Venstre, sure, in theory that could (and has) happen, and while I agree with you that Radikale do what benefits themselves only, they would not agree to being in a government with the others – especially not with some they disagree as fundamentally with as DF.

Radikale (and Socialdemokraterne), however, advised that Løkke, in a minority government, would be open to work with them (bredt over midten translates really poorly to English) and not solely lead bloc politics as they did prior to 2011.



Lucky she brought Denmark financial stability, more like.
The Radicals can hardly do otherwise as there is a theoretic possibility for the current business ministry government to continue. I think what the Radicals dream about is a Social democrat, Liberal, Radical coalition, perhaps including the Conservatives.

Yes. The finances are improving, but at a cost!
A former co-worker of mine tried to commit suicide, twice, due to the former governments instance on following Radical economic politics to the letter.
That's what happens when you are 56, unskilled and can't get a job and your financial basis is removed from under your feet. Despite having worked all your life - and voting Social Democrat.

I'm liberal but I'm not inhuman.
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Good thing neither of them had anything planned for tomorrow. The court has probably foreseen that when a majority government was suggested, it wouldn't take long for LLR to come back for another visit to QMII with the intent on forming a minority government instead.

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The Radicals can hardly do otherwise as there is a theoretic possibility for the current business ministry government to continue. I think what the Radicals dream about is a Social democrat, Liberal, Radical coalition, perhaps including the Conservatives.

Yes. The finances are improving, but at a cost!
A former co-worker of mine tried to commit suicide, twice, due to the former governments instance on following Radical economic politics to the letter.
That's what happens when you are 56, unskilled and can't get a job and your financial basis is removed from under your feet. Despite having worked all your life - and voting Social Democrat.

I'm liberal but I'm not inhuman.
Their ideal form of government would definitely be a centre, SBV-ish type of government. But fundamentally, they agree with the left-wing parties more – largely due to their green ideologies – and would never favour a coalition that would include far-right parties such as LA and DF.

And it would have been much worse during a liberal government. I don't always agree with my party's politics (on a social democratic scale, there's HTS and there's MF and despite my personal fondness for HTS, I'm definitely leaning more towards MF politically) and I do think the SR-government's financial politics have been too social liberal, but we've been through a crisis and getting through a financial crisis is brutal. But alas, this is not the place to discuss politics (and I don't believe I've ever called you inhuman, Muhler?)
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:08 PM
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Good thing neither of them had anything planned for tomorrow. The court has probably foreseen that when a majority government was suggested, it wouldn't take long for LLR to come back for another visit to QMII with the intent on forming a minority government instead.



Their ideal form of government would definitely be a centre, SBV-ish type of government. But fundamentally, they agree with the left-wing parties more – largely due to their green ideologies – and would never favour a coalition that would include far-right parties such as LA and DF.

And it would have been much worse during a liberal government. I don't always agree with my party's politics (on a social democratic scale, there's HTS and there's MF and despite my personal fondness for HTS, I'm definitely leaning more towards MF politically) and I do think the SR-government's financial politics have been too social liberal, but we've been through a crisis and getting through a financial crisis is brutal. But alas, this is not the place to discuss politics (and I don't believe I've ever called you inhuman, Muhler?)
You never have.

I was referring to a phrase during the campaign: You can be a liberal and still be a good human being.
The stubborn Radical policy on the other hand has IMO been downright inhuman or worse, indifferent.

My political stance can be described depending on the issue: Social Democrat, Liberal, Danish People's Party.
What I am not and never will be is Unity List, Radical and Liberal Alliance.
And BTW I voted Liberal and for the first time in many years I was in doubt as I do not find our next PM... well suited for the job.
Had he, Lars Løkke, left as chairman last year, the Liberals would have had a great election. - He didn't and well, how else should he pay for his shoes and underwear?
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You never have.

I was referring to a phrase during the campaign: You can be a liberal and still be a good human being.
The stubborn Radical policy on the other hand has IMO been downright inhuman or worse, indifferent.

My political stance can be described depending on the issue: Social Democrat, Liberal, Danish People's Party.
What I am not and never will be is Unity List, Radical and Liberal Alliance.
And BTW I voted Liberal and for the first time in many years I was in doubt as I do not find our next PM... well suited for the job.
Had he, Lars Løkke, left as chairman last year, the Liberals would have had a great election. - He didn't and well, how else should he pay for his shoes and underwear?
I'm one of those people who don't really see much of a difference between Radikale and Venstre on a financial level. Vestager (and Corydon ) seemed to have a ball around LLR. I don't know that I'd call either inhumane or bad human beings – rather completely out of touch with the everyday life of the most vulnerable people in society.

It really is a shame that Kristian Jensen didn't get to succeed LLR, isn't it? Even I, a staunch Social Democrat, think he's endlessly more suiting for the job than LLR. Though I wouldn't worry about LLR's shoes and undergarments once he eventually let go of the tight grip he's got on Venstre – he's got the life-long ministerial pension to take from
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Ha. If Lars Løkke can't make ends meet with his present salary, how will he manage when he is eventually outed?
Christian Jensen simply isn't brutal enough to face someone like Lars Løkke.
Søren Gade is a man I personally like. He is an honest and sincere man, but he isn't competent enough to take over the Liberals.

I do not agree with you on Radical and Liberal economic policy. The Liberals at least are aware of the problems small businesses have, they are also aware of the problems farmers have. Something that is completely outside the world view of the Radicals.

However, I'm not displeased to see Mette Frederiksen take over as head of the Social Democrats. She may be a bit too much and a bit too left for my taste, but at least I don't doubt her being a genuine Social Democrat.
Helle Thorning I presume will return home to EU.
Wonder how long it will take before Bjarne Corydon gets the knife? Especially if the files in regards to the Goldman-Sachs sale are not to his advantage.

Well, enough of that. There will probably be a new government next week and then we'll see.
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Just watches the morning TV news:

CP Frederik and Lars Løkke is right know seen arriving at Christian 7's Palace ready for another Queen Round.

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Perhaps the royal court has heard us?

Frederik is now (which should be obvious) added to the calendar as he too attends all these meetings at Amalienborg together with the Margrethe:

"HM The Queen receives the political parties representatives in Christian IX's Palace at Amalienborg pm. 11:00.
HRH The Crown Prince will be present."

H.M. Dronningen modtager de politiske partiers repræsentanter i Christian IX's Palæ på Amalienborg fra kl. 11.00 - Kongehuset
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Lars Løkke Rasmussen udpeget som forhandlingsleder - Kongehuset

"Her Majesty the Queen and His Royal Highness the Crown Prince has today 22 June 2015 from pm. 11:00 Amalienborg received representatives of the political parties represented in the new parliament.

Representatives of the Danish People's Party, Liberal Party and Liberal Alliance, who together hold 84 seats, has advised that it transferred Liberal leader Lars Løkke Rasmussen to lead the negotiations on the formation of a government; The Conservative Party, which has six seats, have pointed to Lars Løkke Rasmussen as head of a government that works broadly.

Representatives of the Socialist Unity, alternative, Social Liberals and the Socialist People's Party, who together hold 85 seats, has advised that it be left Mette Frederiksen to lead the negotiations on forming a new government.

Her Majesty the Queen has now received the Acting Prime Minister, in light of the fallen opinions, concludes that the parties representing a majority in Parliament, has recommended that Liberal leader Lars Løkke Rasmussen appointed to lead the negotiations on the formation of A new government Lars Løkke Rasmussen's leadership. The Acting Prime Minister with reference to it advised the Queen to confer Liberal leader to lead such negotiations.

Accordingly, the Queen has asked the Liberal leader, Lars Løkke Rasmussen to lead the negotiations on the formation of a new government."

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A funny little video (I apologise in advance if it's been posted already, I'm too lazy to check):

The description reads: "The election is over, but interrupting each other isn't over just yet. However, today it wasn't a political opponent but Queen Margrethe and Crown Prince Frederik who interrupted Søren Pape Poulsen (leader of the Conservatives) when he was interviewed in front of Amalienborg. Thankfully, he's from a party that supports God, King and Fatherland so it didn't seem to upset him."

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Ha. If Lars Løkke can't make ends meet with his present salary, how will he manage when he is eventually outed?
Christian Jensen simply isn't brutal enough to face someone like Lars Løkke.
Søren Gade is a man I personally like. He is an honest and sincere man, but he isn't competent enough to take over the Liberals.

I do not agree with you on Radical and Liberal economic policy. The Liberals at least are aware of the problems small businesses have, they are also aware of the problems farmers have. Something that is completely outside the world view of the Radicals.

However, I'm not displeased to see Mette Frederiksen take over as head of the Social Democrats. She may be a bit too much and a bit too left for my taste, but at least I don't doubt her being a genuine Social Democrat.
Helle Thorning I presume will return home to EU.
Wonder how long it will take before Bjarne Corydon gets the knife? Especially if the files in regards to the Goldman-Sachs sale are not to his advantage.

Well, enough of that. There will probably be a new government next week and then we'll see.
Very true, very true Søren Gade is great as well. It seemed so odd to me that Løkke asked him to come back before the election – opposite a politician like Gade, you can really see what Løkke lacks in statesmanship.

I suppose in that regard, I can see what you're saying. From a incarnated left-winger's point of view though, it still sort of blends together. I think both parties lack a key understanding of life for the least fortunate members of society.

I've never personally doubted HTS's Social Democratic roots (but I'm also endlessly biased knowing her and having just campaigned for her for the last couple of weeks), but I can see why some would and indeed, MF is much more of a standard Social Democrat. As for Corydon, I think it's a matter of time. The fact that he was brought in only by virtue of being HTS's Chief of Staff did not make him a popular figure amongst Social Democrats.

Anyway, this is heavy sidetracking, I'll shut up now
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Aaaaaand it's official: Venstre (the Liberal Party) is forming a one-party minority government (that's gonna be, eh, interesting – one-party governments usually don't last for more than two years time ). They're going to work out the formation of the government tomorrow and the new ministers are presumed to be presented and sworn in on Sunday or Monday.
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You bet. We are in for an interesting period!

This forenoon QMII will fly in to meet with the Royal Investigator, to inform her that he has only found the basis for forming a one-party government. I.e. consisting of his own party, the Liberals.
He will almost certainly present the government to QMII, for her approval, Sunday and then take over.

This is most interesting! This will either work well (but not necessarily for the Liberals) or not work at all.
But Lars Løkke had to form a government with his party, or he would have been political history within a few months. After all his party lost the election, when they should have had a very good election and very much because of him personally.

The problem with forming a right wing coalition is mainly that the Danish People's Party (who are really right wing, nationalist social democrats) and Liberal Alliance (who are to the right of Margaret Thatcher) can hardly agree on anything at all!
That means a Liberal, Danish People's Party, Liberal Alliance coalition is virtually impossible. But if Lars Løkke forms a coalition with Liberal Alliance and perhaps the Conservative, they can't do much anyway without the support of the Danish People's Party.
But if Lars Løkke forms a coalition with the Danish People's Party, Liberal Alliance threatened to be as annoying as possible, forcing the coalition to deal with the opposition - at a cost! Especially to the Liberals.
An impossible situation.

Personally I believe, Anders Samuelsen, the leader of Liberal Alliance blew it. He huffed and puffed too much and now his party risk being de facto sidelined. Because after all there are only some 60 mandates out of 179 in favor of Liberal Alliance demand of lowering the taxes at the top, rather than at the bottom of the income scale.

However, a one party government has to do an extreme amount of political maneuvering, but it also means political freedom. Lars Løkke is now in a position where he can deal with anyone also with the parties in the opposition who agrees with his policy in some aspects.
But so can the largest right wing party, the Danish People's Party! Because they too to a large extent are in agreement with the opposition, especially when it comes to welfare politics.
So Lars Løkke is gambling big time! Because the government risk being usurped if the Danish People's Party, the Social Democrats and Socialist People's Party not to mention the Unity List create a working relationship.
If that is so, the de facto PM will be the leader of the Danish People's Party, Thulesen Dahl. I.e. we will have two political coalitions working side by side.

I predict that within two years we will have either a new general election or the Danish People's Party will join the Liberals in a reformed government (after they have gotten their pound of flesh! And trained their new MP's). It is very difficult to imagine that such a weak one-party government can last for four years.

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