Royal Family of Morocco 1: November 2003-July 2005

[Layla27]

Originally Posted by Frothy

So is P. Lalla the wife of the King and why is she not called a Queen? anyone know, I'm confused.

Because the moroccan constitution doesn't allow the existence of a queen.

[Layla27]

Originally Posted by Frothy

Has there ever been a Queen of Morocco?

No never. The culture and traditions of the country don't allow it.

[yazz]

Originally Posted by Layla27

Because the moroccan constitution doesn't allow the existence of a queen.

The constituion has nothing to do with. It's the usage.

[yazz]

Originally Posted by Layla27

No never. The culture and traditions of the country don't allow it.

Wrong. Maybe you should read a book by a famous moroccan writer on muslims queens, even in Morocco, before the Alawite dinasty.

[Mandy]

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[Humera]

Originally Posted by khadijalove

cause the king of morocco sad in a interviuew that in the islam a woman can not rule and can not care a name as Queen...

Did King Muhammad say that?
Im surprised because that is an absolutely false claim.
The King can speak for Morocco if he likes but he shouldnt make such claims on behalf of the entire Muslim population. All one needs is to read up on Islamic history and they'll find Muslim Queens.
As for Queen consorts, there are many of them today. Morocco is an exception.

[amina1]

I remember reading this particular interview, he exactly said "...there is no queen in islam"
Were there muslim queens by the way?

[Humera]

Originally Posted by amina1

I remember reading this particular interview, he exactly said "...there is no queen in islam"
Were there muslim queens by the way?

yes there were...that's what some other members and myself have said in previous posts

"The Forgotten Queens of Islam"
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASI...328543-2872338

The King doesn't come across to me as a particularly intellectual type. So im not surprised he made a comment like that, eventhough nothing in the Quran, teachings of the Prophet, or Islamic history, supports his claim.
When Benzir Bhutto became the first female head of state of an Islamic country in the 1980s, some people made the same ridiculous claim. And yet she was elected twice and was the country's most popular Prime Minister.
Infact the developing world (including the Muslim nations of Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia)has had more female heads of state than many developed/western nations.
King Muhammad seems to be ignoring both history and the present. I'll try not to be too disappointed

[Monalisa]

I think Humera you didn't understund what king MVI was meaning,yes in Islam the women are not allowed to rule,you can recall the scandal made the woman Imam from USA recently,and ruling is not a question of royalty only,since the king in morocco is a "Amir Mumeneen" or "Prince of believers"who should be ruler,Imam...,it's a problem for a woman to carry some of those fonctions in Islam as i know.


IMO,it comes across a illogic thing because even royalty is not a way of ruling, if it backs up on islam,the prophet Mohammed said in his last days to make a "shura" between muslims to select their ruler,so the model of republics is more appropriate for that,but things didn't go as it should be,and the islamic world went throught such as royalties and denasties!,especially those who claim being descendent of prophet,like the MRF and the JRF...

Well, now,I can't blame KMVI being a royal or a king,since he's following only what it was done before,but it seems that he's only avoiding the question,towards the heavy moroccan royal protocol,IMO,he could name his wife a queen but without ruling,if she has this title,that's not meaning that she would rule one day,if it was the case,so his older sister princess lalla meryem would be the most concerned woman about this question!

The question of being a "Amir of Mumeneen" of the moroccan monarch is very critisized,so I expect that may change in the future,which could allow the king's wife to take maybe the title of "Queen"!

[Humera]

I understand most of what you're saying Monalisa.
But you fail to recognize there is nothing in the Quran or the prophet's teachings or history that says that a woman cant rule/become head-of-state. Even with Imams and prayer leaders, where does it say that only a man can be one?
It is only tradition and patriarchy that is the reason why people make such claims.
If something is considered unlawful according to Islam, it is explicitly mentioned in the Quran as forbidden. But the Quran cant list every single thing that is lawful, which is why in general, if something is NOT explicitly forbidden in Islam, it is allowed. And thats not my opinion thats the opionion of many Islamic jurists and lawmakers.
And if King Muhammad is only following "tradition" in this matter than it shows a narrowness of mind and thought. There are plenty of acdemics and even Islamic scholars who would disagree with him.

People come up with all sorts of ridculous lists of things that are "forbidden" for women, in some regions women cant vote, drive, go out of the house without a man. But none of that has anything to do with Islam. Its all part of a patriarchal cultural system that uses religion to legitimize its claims and mantain control over its citizens and especially women.

Lalla Salma may not get the title of Queen...but who knows there's still plenty of time and if it still doesn't happen, im sure her son will change things when he becomes King. The world will be a very different place by then.

[Monalisa]

[quote=~*~Humera~*~]I understand most of what you're saying Monalisa.
But you fail to recognize there is nothing in the Quran or the prophet's teachings or history that says that a woman cant rule/become head-of-state. QUOTE]

I agree, nothing in Quran says that woman can't rule,in the opposit ,the history shows that women are more diplomatic.If we talk again about the islamic History,women took a great part in it,Khadija prophet's wife,who was called "Um almumeneen",had her word to say in the way of ruling muslims,and it was very respected and accepted then,later there was "Aesha" and many other women which we can quote to show that the muslim women were very involved in the political and social life since the beginning of islam 15 centuries ago,which was very "avant-garde"for the women rights, comparing to what it was done otherwise,or maybe what's still done in some countries,especially ME one which are muslim,but by surprise even don't allow women to vote !


[quote=~*~Humera~*~] Even with Imams and prayer leaders, where does it say that only a man can be one?
It is only tradition and patriarchy that is the reason why people make such claims.
QUOTE]


I can't agree here,since it's logic that a woman is not always available or disponible to lead prayers since she's considered "not pure" when she has her period,and a Imam or prayers' leader should be pure always at least during his fonctions!

[Layla27]

Originally Posted by yazz

Wrong. Maybe you should read a book by a famous moroccan writer on muslims queens, even in Morocco, before the Alawite dinasty.

Could you please give me the title of this book .

[Amira]

Prince Moulay Rachid receives the artist Adil Imam

http://www.lematin.ma/journal/articl...atio&ida=49874

[Layla27]

Hier en sa résidence à RabatS.A.R. le Prince Moulay Rachid a reçu, hier en sa résidence à Rabat, l'artiste égyptien Adil Imam. L'audience accordée à l'artiste égyptien, qui était accompagné de ses deux fils Mohamed et Rami, intervient à l'occasion de la tournée qu'effectue actuellement dans le Royaume Adil Imam pour présenter sa pièce de théâtre «Body Guard». Cette tournée, qui a débuté le 16 juin et qui se poursuivra jusqu'au 12 juillet, englobe les villes de Casablanca, Agadir, Fès et Rabat.