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Old 12-28-2008, 11:40 AM
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in what kind domain do you want to see her involve?

personally, I would like to see her in the peasant word, I never saw a princesse go to villages, they are alway in big cities, when the life in the country is the most difficult
she can struggle against illiteracy for example, helping the associations that exist to collect money and to break the wall of the bureacracy, really, for me, it would be very nice, if she go in this way
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Old 12-28-2008, 12:08 PM
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that's an interesting role isis. yes, if rachid wife will have a public role, it will be different from other princesses' roles. and since illiteracy, pauverty, bureacracy are major problems not only in villages but also in big cities, the palace makes them the king' role not a princess role. the person who works or can solve these problems, will have a big support and affection from moroccan people. and i think palace will not allow moroccan ppl affection' goes to someone else than the king i'm sure the princesses can make a good job on these projects if the palace and protocol allow them to do so. also princesses work usually on charities, associations, ect. i never heard them making remarkable speeches asking population to work together against pauverty and bureacracy. that will be a revolutionary role
i think she will not have more than one specific role, like hasna, asmaa and lamya solh. it maybe something related to her education or job.
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Old 12-30-2008, 06:48 AM
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Yes, the illiteracy is one of the big problems in the rural world, because of the lack of schools and the lack of school conveyance, the lack of means of the families, that can't buy the school articles for all their children, if a princess can help the associations in these regions, it would be a very useful work, that none princess do before, and she would have a very important job, that will touch millions of people. In my opinion, her role would be more important that the one of salma with her job against the cancer, I don't think that M6 will give her an as important role, and I don't think that salma will be happy to see a princess with a lower title than hers, have such role. Unless if the future princess will have big ambitions, if she has a strong personality, or a schemer soul, she could have a more important role that the one that the palace wants for her. But I don't think that MR and the king will choose this kind of woman.
Personally, I think that she will have a light job, for example in the cultural domain, like inauguration of expositions, and cultural centres in big cities, not more.
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:51 AM
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I think her role will be the reflection of his husband role,and considering that Moulay rachid role himself is limited regardless of his high profile and his presence on public,as he din't have any political role or even views,and don't have very big/impressive voice toward any big cause,so I think his wife situation will be the same as her husband.
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Old 12-31-2008, 11:03 AM
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if the future princess have the personality to impose herself in this domain, that means that we will have a great princess
hope that it would be the case
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Old 12-31-2008, 12:24 PM
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it's not about modernity and having personality or even how some monarcies are open,i personally think that M6 is very modern king he not only allow to his wife to make public apparence for the first time inThe Alaouite history,but follow that with an amazing and revolutionary reforms for the women that since Habib Bourguiba no arab leaders did for women: family law,nationalty law,last fully accepting without reservations the United Nations Convention Ending Discrimination Against Women.....wish prove that his engagement and vision for women rights is not only talk like the rest of the arab royals but facts and acts,and make me as moroccan wich that reforms touch my daily life very proud...
so it's not about modernity even europeen princesses don't have big independence,i imagine hard Maxima or Mary,Letizia in an engagement that their royal court and governments don't aproove,cause it's their governments and royal court who plan and organize their duties,you must heard about PMasako and her problems with tense and depresse after she join the Japanese RF,the princess who been active and independent hard working women and she loose all that after becoming a princess,there is some rumours about Letizia too in this sense....
i don't compare the incomparable Zineb i am just talking about what i see and what really happen that's all.
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Old 01-01-2009, 04:47 AM
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just a correction the arab leader who did the most for the women of his country was tunisian president Bourguiba in 1956, since our days no women in arab countries have the right that have tunisian women, for example in Tunisia polygamie is forbiden that isn't the case in morocco. Tunsian woman has the same right for the divorce than the man. yes, M6 has improove the women's conditions in morocco, but as our days Tunisia stay the most advanced arab countriy for these questions
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thanks for correction rosa i forgot to the write the name of Bourguiba in my last post,my mistake and i fixed now.
it's maybe off tpic to go back on this:i didn't say Morocco is better than Tunisia here,only better than the other arab countries,in fact family law in both countries are now considerate the most advanced and modern.
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:19 AM
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mademoiselle lilo, in my previous post, i didn't speak about modernity.
i respect your opinion, but i strongly believe personality, education, which society ppl grow up or lived in, and how they grow up, reflect a lot their life style and decisions they make later in their lives. to me, this is the same for royals and non royals, since the "rules" you mentioned, are made by humans and they are subject to change when there are ppl behind them looking for a real change. as for royals, we know they put rules and protocols for different reasons. in europe, i'm glad the government decide for RF' duties and passing laws and policies is the role of the government. this is different for moroccan RF, the government don't decide for their roles and is the king who pass and signs for laws or not. So because of these, i think MRF and the king have more freedom than any other european RF they do things when they want.

i'm pround too of women right' laws passed in the recent years. but i'm just surprised why it tooks such long years to pass these few laws so for m6 decisions on women rights, imo that should be done decades ago in his father life. you could see that king' wife non appearance wasn't coherent with the moroccan society where women were out since decades. imo the palace was really many years behind the moroccan society and moroccan's life style and if you see what m6 did, reflect modernity, i see it as a normal and logical thing that was evident to be done, and there is a long way for m6 to modernise lot of things and many areas, to be at same level of the moroccan's practices on every day life and their expectation.
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you could see that king' wife non appearance wasn't coherent with the moroccan society where women were out since decades. imo the palace was really many years behind the moroccan society and moroccan's life style
well said Zineb thanks for saying this,morrocan women in general are very opened mind and creative.

i didn't say what M6 did reflect modernity,my point was that he is modern man as alot of or most arab royals but he was the only one who have the courage and bravery the change laws for wamen big and great changes,when the rest of the arab royals was afraid to start conflict with the islamist/conservative parties,so modernity for them is something they live and show to the world how modern they are but they don't dare and make some change in their societies
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finally we can move on for Kawtar Krifi Story,herself tell Alayame she don't have anything to do with the prince and that silly rumor did much damages than good to her.
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i wonder why rachid or his cabinet didn't dismiss these rumours since the beginning
i know the MRF don't have the habit to make declarations about their personal lives or dismiss rumours, but in a case like this, they could do it in a way or another to stop it. this rumour lasted couple of years. pity for the girl
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this is a good question Zineb,it was easy to know all about the remours just by call phone to Kawtar,so why she didn't tell in the first place colleague i know as journalist she have somes and make it clear a long time go,I suspect she want her 15 minutes of fame
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:17 AM
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I don’t share your opinion, I think that she don’t know what do because the rules of the Makhzen are bizarre, does she has the right to speak about the prince, and to say that there isn’t anything, how the makhzen would be reacted if she did that, it can say that it’s a lack of respect toward the prince to speak about this story
For me, it’s the role of moulay rachid cabinet to dismiss the rumors, but imo, the prince don’t care at all about this story, and it’s repercussion in the life of this journalist
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i agree with your both hypothesis shrifia and rosa, it can be one or the other.
also, the fact that kawtar had a facebook account and she cancelled just after the rumours started to spread, let ppl think maybe the story is true. a simple friend of the prince, will not cancel the facebook account without a reason behind. so, maybe there was something between kawtar and rachid at the beginning and it doesn't work, so now they keep a friendship relation. also, kawtar wrote some articles about rachid' activities for festival in south of morocco. i guess she was there and following his work. so, imo the MRF and the protocol will never allow rachid' future wife following him "in public" before marriage. but since it was, so maybe they didn't (or never) thought about marriage
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:13 PM
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the rules of Makhzans didn't react in any way on the last article of Meriem Makram who talk about the subject and make the things clear.
maybe she was afraid and didn't know how to handle the situation in the first two or tree month,however when the rumors go wild and sometimes stupid and crazy,I think she could do something about it,a phone call to any serious newspappers could easilly solve the problem she even didn't have to tell her name...honestly I think she liked what happen,and enjoy the situation especially her colleagues her boss....start to be nice with her so why should change that as long as nobody ask her
this is just guess
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:23 AM
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I think also that it would be nice if moulay rachid stop the rumors with a communicate, to not put this woman in a bad position
in all case, I don't want to be at the place of this journalist, it's certainly a very uncomfortable situation for her and her family
now, we will have certainly another rumor about another woman
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as shrifia said, i think this rumour relating kawtar to rachid, did bring to her more advantages than problems, specially for her work.
rachid is already 38 yrs old, and i wonder how many girls did he meet or know, who we never heard of them. so kawtar comes to the spotlight bcz she is journalist and they were seen together. but since this story comes again in the moroccan media, to be rumours, now i think there will be no marriage with her. u remember rumours on m6 fiancee (salma), there were only speculation that m6 has a fiancee and ppl saw her attended some parties at the palace with him, but never seen in public together. so if rachid was going to marry kawtar, they could say it since the beginning and describe her as his fiancee, radiant pearl and so. so i think the palace knows well how to protect and introduce the expected future wife when the prince is sure about his choice and he is going to marry that girl saying this, i hope i'm mistaking bcz i see no harm to marry an active and intelligent woman, even if they know each other, dating or just friends since years.
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:38 AM
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I dont think that a girl can be happy to be in this situation, especially that the story is false, it can be supportable if it was true, but since the rumor is false, I think that this journalist had pass bad moments and her family also.
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