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Old 04-27-2009, 06:56 PM
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Since I'm a seven generation American (My family has been in America for over 7 generations) I guess I just assumed that this kind of behavior was not done anymore. I'm just awgast by this. I guess it's my ignorance of the middle east. I have always been so interested in the Arabian (persian) area and would love more knowledge but I never would have thought in a million years, they would or could still do this.However, my personality is the kind that I see the good in everybody until they prove to me that they are bad. Obviously this Issa guy is BAD but It's hard for me to swallow that all Sheikhs are like this! You are right, I don't want to believe it. It's not me as a person who would believe this.It's just so sad!
I like to see the good side of the people too, but unfortunately as human beings there is a bad side while some others have an evil side, like this sheikh. Mostly of time these people (the royalty) are idealized and we (me) want them to be the perfect ones, I don't know why or maybe it is because the world is just full of bad news that we (me) need to see something good.
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Old 04-27-2009, 11:53 PM
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What is almost as shocking to me is the naivete of many people, & of stary eyed people seeing only what they want to see or what is convenient for them to see... I love the light of truth.
I know I am one of the ones that you think posts fluff, but let me say this: What I see and what I know are two different things. When travelling to the UAE my team (coworkers) and I have our own basic set of rules: (1) NEVER, EVER be alone with a sheikh or a close aide/worker. (2) ALWAYS travel in groups of 3 or more. (3) NEVER accept a drink unless it is an unopened bottle of water. (4) ALWAYS fax ALL paperwork immediately. Send one of our aides out during a meeting if necessary. If the work is done on a computer then email immediately, as in right then and there. Hardcopies are FedExed directly from the hotel upon our return. (5) ALWAYS stay in the same hotel on the same floor with connecting rooms. (6) Stay in constant direct communication with the home offices. (7) The one with the least direct contact carries all passports. Less chance of them disappearing and more chance of getting out. (8) Get the work done and get the heck (just for you Warren) out. I know that in our disagreement earlier you thought I was infringing on your right of speech. Not so. Just because I don't know you does not mean that there is not a concern. This atrocity was over a disagreement of a grain shipment. Worse has happened to others that have only VOICED their dischord/dislike or who are too outspoken. And who would have believed me if the tape had not been released? Please don't anyone be naive enough to believe that a Western passport is protection. It only will provoke a faster response, if nothing else. And not close to the suffering of this poor man. The most common charge will be drugs. That one is like the catchall charge because it usually sticks. It doesn't have to be proven, just charged so they can hold someone.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:06 AM
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Since I'm a seven generation American (My family has been in America for over 7 generations) I guess I just assumed that this kind of behavior was not done anymore. I'm just awgast by this. I guess it's my ignorance of the middle east. I have always been so interested in the Arabian (persian) area and would love more knowledge but I never would have thought in a million years, they would or could still do this.However, my personality is the kind that I see the good in everybody until they prove to me that they are bad. Obviously this Issa guy is BAD but It's hard for me to swallow that all Sheikhs are like this! You are right, I don't want to believe it. It's not me as a person who would believe this.It's just so sad!
Not all shiekhs would do something like this, but they will not stop it nor will they stand against it. Their inactions don't mean that they condone it, but they will not go against family. Remember that this is their brother, to convict him they will have to convict others.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:14 AM
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And every day when the Abu Dhabi Police had sessions with Bassam Nabulsi in his cell, they sexually asulted him {edit} said "This is from Sheikh Issa Bin Zayed". {edit} then they would photograph him naked to humiliate him, threaten him with imediate death, threatened to kill his Son & to rape then kill his Wife. ...Yes, indeed, Sheikh Saif Bin Zayed... The "Honorable" Abu Dhabi Police serving their country... have performed their duty... & "all the correct procedures & policies were applied." Must feel proud to serve as a Police officer in the UAE. Making their Mother's proud & Sheikh Saif Bin Zayed's Mother must be proud to...
Where did you hear and read that? To my knowledge nothing from that took place. If Bassam mentioned it, how true could it be?
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I was really trying to talk my husband into traveling to Dubai for a vacation. I'm now not so sure I want to do that. I don't want to give my hard earned money on a place who tries to show the world they are something they are not. How terribly disappointing!
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Old 04-28-2009, 10:15 AM
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You know actually it's really sad to see only one thing came out and everyone starts to hate the UAE but these things doesn't only happen in UAE these things happen all over the world... and people who are saying to stop traveling to Abu Dhabi because of this actually are hypocrits (in my eyes) cause in your own country it might just happens too only we don't hear about it and we don't see it.

@drummergirl... you say you and your co workers have these rules just traveling to UAE but i don't agree just to use these rules in UAE, cause all over the world people are like this not only in the UAE..

Now UAE is getting bad eyes and people say oh those sheikhs are horrible and i won't say it's not true it's just that it doesn't only happen in UAE it happens all over the world.
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In the tape Nabulsi related how when his working partnership with Sh Issa deteriorated Sh Issa asked for the return of the torture tape that he (Nabulsi) was holding for Sh Issa. Nabulsi told Sh Issa that the tape was destroyed, but Sh Issa did not believe him and that was why Nabulsi was imprisoned. In the last few minutes of the tape, Nabulsi's legal representative relates that the alleged (and I use this term loosely only because a court has not confirmed/convicted) assaults on Nabulsi's person and the threats against his family were in an attempt to regain possession of the tape. *****How true could it be? IMO, the tape speaks for itself as to the lengths that Sh Issa will go if he believes he has been lied to or cheated. For a man, especially an Arab man, to make this claim is humiliating. Not something to take lightly knowing the light that it will cast upon him. To make a sexual assault upon another human being is aggregious. But the list of actions taken against him, and remember that this tape was actually out before the Abu Ghraib incident, is the exact type of actions suffered by those inmates. These actions were told to the American military as the most effective way to insult and humiliate a Muslim/Islamic male during "interrogations" in an attempt to extract information.
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You know actually it's really sad to see only one thing came out and everyone starts to hate the UAE but these things doesn't only happen in UAE these things happen all over the world... and people who are saying to stop traveling to Abu Dhabi because of this actually are hypocrits (in my eyes) cause in your own country it might just happens too only we don't hear about it and we don't see it.

@drummergirl... you say you and your co workers have these rules just traveling to UAE but i don't agree just to use these rules in UAE, cause all over the world people are like this not only in the UAE..

Now UAE is getting bad eyes and people say oh those sheikhs are horrible and i won't say it's not true it's just that it doesn't only happen in UAE it happens all over the world.
You are incorrect. I said "when travelling to the UAE" not "just travelling to the UAE". I only mention the UAE as this is the area we are discussing. There are more extreme rules we use for the Baltic areas, but that area is not what we are discussing.
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Old 04-28-2009, 11:26 AM
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I think one thing has nothing to do with the other. The devil made this atrocity has nothing to do to continue to visit Abu Dhabi.

This has to do with JUSTICE (authorities) and the real essence of Being Human (Sheiks)

But when there is a lot of moneyyyy before any of that matter
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If there was any real justice then money or title would not be an issue in the administration of that justice, those that are in a postion of power and abuse that power should be held accountable on a higher level.
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Old 04-28-2009, 12:37 PM
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If there was any real justice then money or title would not be an issue in the administration of that justice, those that are in a postion of power and abuse that power should be held accountable on a higher level.
Exactly. This is way the UAE will never hear the end of this. Jame Oliver the celebrity TV chef has resigned his position as Abmassador to The Jumeirah Group & deleted as associations to them on his website. I wonder if this is just the beggining.
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I would like to think it is just the start. When the Olympics were held in Beijing a lot of the sponsors and celebrities refused to attend due to the Chinese record of human rights violations. Steven Spielberg refused to coordinate the opening ceremony events, the Philharmonic Orchestra refused to perform, and even a few of the athletes from different countries were actually banned by the Chinese government from entering their country due to their activism. It seems that the only way to make an impact large enough for them to listen is a campaign of adverse publicity and the effect it has upon their income.
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Fien, if this happened in America, there would be heck (just for Warren) to pay. The American people would not stand for this kind of behavior.The people would know because it would be all over the media. However, that's not exactly why I would chose not to travel there anymore. I am more afraid that I would make a mistake and they would arrest me for something very stupid. Like kissing my husband on the beach. There was a statement not that long ago that said they would be cracking down on those things. I might forget and kiss my husband. Oops, there goes my passport and I'm jailed for who knows how long. That reason and because I don't want to give my hard earned cash out to people who are not deserving and if they don't punish this man, they are not deserving!
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They are talking about what would happen if Prince Charles, William Harry did this & European Royals on another site. I'll post the link later.
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Does anyone remember the media coverage when Harry wore the Nazi uniform? Or the disparaging remark about a Pakistani team member? I only stay current on certain threads, but there was one royal member that recently denied that the Holocaust even happened and that created a media uproar. I can't remember which one it was. I agree with you, Annastacia, the Western media would continue coverage and the public would demand an outcome. I should once again mention Abu Ghraib. When the pictures and videos were released there was an onslaught of coverage and demands of justice. How ironic that the people that demanded justice are the same ones committing the atrocities.
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And the things what is happening in Guantanamo bay and what the Americans did to the people in Afganistan and Iraq? Those were horrible things what did they do to that? But Annastacia i get what you say and why your afraid of traveling to UAE but i see it as their rules which we have to accept if we want to see the country.

and drummer girl i'm sorry i thought you mean just UAE
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The Americans did not know about Guantanamo Bay. We were outragged by what we learned. You are right about it being their land though. Point taken.
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Let me make one thing clear. This is not a problem of Emiratis or Arabs or Religeon or Culture. You will find ordinary Emiratis as lovely endearing, welcoming people who are as intrinsicly good as people anywhere, who just want to live happy, prosperous peaceful lives. The problem is the Sheikhs... The majority of the big Sheikhs (not every one) but the majority are uterly vile, is almost as if they are not human at all. Horible, horible people who are completely whacko!
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Let me make one thing clear. This not a problem of Emiratis or Arabs or Religeon or Cultur. You will find ordinary Emiratis as lovely endearing, welcoming people who are as intrinsicly good as people anywhere, who just want to live happy, prosperous peaceful lives. The problem is the Sheikhs... The majority of the big Sheikhs (not every one) but the majority are uterly vile, is almost as if they are not human at all. Horible, horible people who are completely whacko!
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Let me make one thing clear. This is not a problem of Emiratis or Arabs or Religeon or Culture. You will find ordinary Emiratis as lovely endearing, welcoming people who are as intrinsicly good as people anywhere, who just want to live happy, prosperous peaceful lives. The problem is the Sheikhs... The majority of the big Sheikhs (not every one) but the majority are uterly vile, is almost as if they are not human at all. Horible, horible people who are completely whacko!
That is correct. I saw many comments on the youtube video of the Issa bin Zayed against Muslims and Arabs and that's not going with that.
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