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Old 06-19-2004, 01:43 AM
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If Mo was so reluctant, he shouldn't have married her. A marriage can't exist without two consenting persons. Personally, I find her to be a beautiful woman. She has flaws just like the rest of us because nobody is perfect, and if somebody can find me a perfect person, and show them to me, then I will gladly eat my words. The only difference is that hers are on public display because she's royalty. The media is intrigued by royalty, or anybody whose rich, famous, or rich and famous. I'm sure there were probably other beautiful women that Mo could have chosen, or still can choose, but at the moment, he chose Haya. Just because the woman gained some weight doesn't make her any less of a woman, or an attractive one for that matter, but I guess that is a matter of oppinion.
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Old 06-20-2004, 01:12 PM
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You have lived in Dubai, how do they perceive Jordanians and Lebanese women that marry into Emirati families? I admit to not knowing much about Dubai society. You also mentioned previously that Abu Dhabi is run much differently than Dubai. Could you please explain? Thank you. :flower:
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  You have lived in Dubai, how do they perceive Jordanians and Lebanese women that marry into Emirati families? I admit to not knowing much about Dubai society. You also mentioned previously that Abu Dhabi is run much differently than Dubai. Could you please explain? Thank you.  :flower:
for the most part the marriages are not highly regarded. the women are generally considered as social climbers and status seekers. there is usually a great age & social status difference between the man and woman. and the man is usually older and better positioned socially/financially/etc.

does any of this sound familiar?

i do not mean to offend but you can go there and do your own social survey, if you wish.

regarding abu dhabi: AD is considered much more conservative. no booze (i think there is no booze in AD), prostitution, illegals begging for work........it is much more tightly controlled.
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May I ask, "what can be said that has not already been said or speculated about?" I mean can so one tell us wereshe lives now that she is the wife of a Crown Prince is she in Dubai or Europe somewhere? When is the marriage cerebration? Does anyone thing she will interact with CPMo's children? Do you think they have met (the chlidren and Haya)? Maybe we can discuss these topics. :)
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Old 06-23-2004, 03:44 PM
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I don't know about the celebration. I'm sure she's met his family by now. I found it rather odd that they were married in Jordan rather than in the UAE. I wonder if his family was there for the wedding.
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Old 06-23-2004, 04:33 PM
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On the magikal rania msg board-there was a post that the celebration will be in Oct. Also part of there marriage announcement stated that she organized some kind of horsie thing with his sons. That would give me the impression that she has met them. Again in another interview she gave, she stated that she is living in his house. That would like wise give me the impression she will be keeping house in DXB with her summers in England, like her husband.

For all the ballyho about their marriage and her liberal ways vs his conservative way of life-has anyone even thought of the fact that in DXB everyone is in everyone else's business. That means that Haya's freedom and anonomity that she enjoyed in Europe is GONE. I can tell you for a fact that wherever Mo goes and does is reported in breathless detail within the various gathering places of DXB. This means she will be subjected to the gossip and speculation also. Note: Shka Hind is considered Mother Earth and above idle gossip and people would never violate her privacy. But Haya being an outsider and not a very well regarded one (according to my sources in DXB) she will be endlessly analyzed and gossiped about.

After all she did marry a man that is brazen enough to park his big ole white SUV with DXB 1 licence plates outside his various 'friends' villas in the middle of the day.

What we say will be a pittance to what is uttered in the local Starbucks.
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Old 06-23-2004, 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Akilah@Jun 23rd, 2004 - 8:22 pm
May I ask, "what can be said that has not already been said or speculated about?"* I mean can so one tell us wereshe lives now that she is the wife of a Crown Prince is she in Dubai or Europe somewhere?* When is the marriage cerebration?* Does anyone thing she will interact with CPMo's children?* Do you think they have met (the chlidren and Haya)?* Maybe we can discuss these topics.* :)
P.Haya must've met with his sons: Hamdan, Rashid, Maktoum, Saeed and, Ahmed (she commented on his equestrian skills in an interview but I don't remember what she said though) and hopefully also gets along with them. I also remember reading an article about P.Haya and Sheikha Latifa (Mo's daughter) attending a horsie event together.

However Mo's elder daughters are likely to dislike her – watching the pain their mother must have went/is going through.
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Old 06-23-2004, 04:37 PM
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I don't know about the celebration. I'm sure she's met his family by now. I found it rather odd that they were married in Jordan rather than in the UAE. I wonder if his family was there for the wedding.
banadoora, i think it is considered polite to marry the girl in her home country. think p.ali and rym brahimi. however, i always thought title trumped convention (i.e. he his higher placed-theoretically they should marry in his country).

however if shk mo tried to marry a foreign girl in the uae, i am pretty sure shka fatima would personally kick his a$$.
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Old 06-23-2004, 05:09 PM
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How old is shka Fatima?
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Old 06-23-2004, 05:12 PM
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How old is shka Fatima?
the details on her are sketchy but i would think she is somewhere in her 50's-60's. but don't worry about that if you are imagining her kicking mo's booty. she tamed shk zayed-mo is childs play.
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Thank you for answering. I only asked because as you stated, details on her are VERY sketchy. I had heard that she was anywhere from her late 40's to her early 60's. While in Abu Dhabi or Al Ain, I knew better than to ask many questions about her.
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Thank you for answering. I only asked because as you stated, details on her are VERY sketchy. I had heard that she was anywhere from her late 40's to her early 60's. While in Abu Dhabi or Al Ain, I knew better than to ask many questions about her.
i did read an article about her (can't remember where for the life of me). it said that she was brought to zayed as a virgin bedouin bride (which he usually disposes of after they have a few kids) but when she moved to the palace to be with him she was impressed by the library and spent alot of time reading and learing. she did not have much of an education. she eventually captured the heart of baba zayed and she has been by his side ever since.

although she is not photographed like QR and Lalla Salma-i think she is mighty powerful both by her influence over her husband and her sons. it is my guess that she will quitely and ultimately decide who rules the uae after baba moves on.

but yes i agree with you, paloma-asking about shk fatima is a no go area. same with shka hind.

oh and does anyone find it a little distasteful that the wife of 3 months is with him while he accepts the LIFETIME acheivement award while the wife of 24years is no where to be seen????

akilah, we can discuss that too....
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:16 AM
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I don't know about the celebration. I'm sure she's met his family by now. I found it rather odd that they were married in Jordan rather than in the UAE. I wonder if his family was there for the wedding.
The event in Jordan, was the Nikah, the marriage signing contract. They will have a more public, grand affair later this year. It is traditional for the Nikah to take place at the home of the bride's family.

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oh and does anyone find it a little distasteful that the wife of 3 months is with him while he accepts the LIFETIME acheivement award while the wife of 24years is no where to be seen????

akilah, we can discuss that too....
You may be looking at this through Western eyes. Mohammed's first wife, Hind, has maintained a traditional role as his wife. She is never photographed. She is like many wives in the Dubai royal family ... having "public" roles, but without being photographed.

Haya is more Western in her outlook- and has made it clear that she will be seen with her husband, certainly outside Dubai. Her position would have been defined in the Nikah.
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Old 06-24-2004, 10:32 AM
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Haya is more Western in her outlook- and has made it clear that she will be seen with her husband, certainly outside Dubai. Her position would have been defined in the Nikah.
I still find it distasteful.

Hind has always been a very private person. I don't think she wants to be like Haya and vice versa. They are both very different women coming from very different backgrounds.

But I don't think Haya would be so gaga over Mo if she knew him 10-15 years ago when DXB was a sandy dustbin and the palace was a one story brick building. Dhows plying their wares on the shores of the creek instead of the supercontainer ships berthing at Jebel Ali.

Congrats on Mo for all he has acheived. But I seriously doubt some spoiled dilatante princess would be so interested in that lifestyle. But here she is all smiles and snuggles for her lovey bear-without any sort of awareness of what has been achieved. Hind does know. She has given birth in the 'hospitals'. She has sent her kids to school there and knew what is was like to get around with landmarks and sand tracks not street signs and paved roads. Hind is part of the achievement-she is a wife a mother to the man being honored for his LIFETIME achievement-she was there. She knows.

Haya is like so many other arriviste's in DXB. Only too happy to share in the success without any respect to the struggle
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Old 06-24-2004, 11:36 PM
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Everything about Haya and her husband and his family seems so sketchy. I don't know if anyone knows all that much that is factual. I like Haya. I think she has had a hard life in terms of losing parents--particularly her mother. She had no one it seems--if Noor behaved as she's been depicted--to act as a female role model. She has always touched a cord in me as she seems lost. I don't think this marriage is the answer--it's more like a cry for help. But I'm not going to judge her or anyone else. I think most everyone does the best they can each day. I hope she finds a meaningful role and doesn't get swallowed up in a polygamous environment. She's the new wife now--but may not be the last.....I think the whole situation is tragic for all concerned except her husband. The little I have read Haya has said about her father seems he encouraged her indepedence and liveliness. I doubt highly he would've approved of this marriage. Did Queen Noor's office make any comment or depict her at the ceremony?
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oh and does anyone find it a little distasteful that the wife of 3 months is with him while he accepts the LIFETIME acheivement award while the wife of 24years is no where to be seen????

akilah, we can discuss that too....
Absolutly!! Hind has given 25 years of her life to this man gets to bear 11 or 12 children and stay at home and have no male companionship. All of a sudden this new young chipy comes along and gets recognition and a lifstyle with out any history at all. I think it's kinda sick!

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Haya is more Western in her outlook- and has made it clear that she will be seen with her husband, certainly outside Dubai. Her position would have been defined in the Nikah.
This may be true but it doesn't mean she is happy and doens't make it right
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Old 06-24-2004, 11:56 PM
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Everything about Haya and her husband and his family seems so sketchy. I don't know if anyone knows all that much that is factual. I like Haya. I think she has had a hard life in terms of losing parents--particularly her mother. She had no one it seems--if Noor behaved as she's been depicted--to act as a female role model. She has always touched a cord in me as she seems lost. I don't think this marriage is the answer--it's more like a cry for help. But I'm not going to judge her or anyone else. I think most everyone does the best they can each day. I hope she finds a meaningful role and doesn't get swallowed up in a polygamous environment. She's the new wife now--but may not be the last.....I think the whole situation is tragic for all concerned except her husband. The little I have read Haya has said about her father seems he encouraged her indepedence and liveliness. I doubt highly he would've approved of this marriage. Did Queen Noor's office make any comment or depict her at the ceremony?
I like Haya too. My only regret for her is that she didn't marry someone else. Some members speculate it was about money, but like Silver Charm said, if she needed money, she should have found herself a job. I have much respect for Royals who work, even if they do or don't need the money. I know that probably sounds harsh coming from a Haya supporter, but I would have rather she made her own money than to marry someone who is already taken. I try not to comment too much on the polygamous marriage to which she has joined because I don't know a whole lot about the Islamic religion, and I'm not out to step on any toes out of respect for forum members who are of the Islamic faith. I don't know whether it is accepted in certain places or not, but what I do know is there are those of the Islamic faith that are married to one spouse at a time, and I just wish Haya had done the same.
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Old 06-25-2004, 10:48 AM
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Haya is like so many other arriviste's in DXB. Only too happy to share in the success without any respect to the struggle.
Haya grew up in Jordan, a country that has undergone enormous changes, and, politically, is far more important in the Mideast. She knows the scene ...

but it is unfair to compare her to HInd -- each wife is treated equally - and Hind has entirely different role. I don't think Haya will have much of a role in Dubai, let alone live there ..she will be the out of country wife.
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I have a question. Why is it that Hind cannot be photographed with or without CP Mo? I really confused by this "traditional wife" category that Hind has been placed in because I have read several articles where Hind has been present at an event or had some person to read a statement on her behalf. Now, if Hind is too place the role of the "traditional" wife, then why does she partake in public events in Dubai or release public statements? If Lalla Salma can many "limited" public appears with her husband or with her husband's children why cannot Hind. I am not saying she should tramps around with CP Mo, but I think she could may a public appearance where she is photographed once a year at least. One picture of this women in a years time is not that much in comparsion to some other royal women of the world, regradless of they are Muslim or not. (Note: I am not saying I want her to change her ways because CP Mo's third wife, Haya, is more visible about, but I think it would be nice to see the women publicly photographed if not once every year, but every other if possible). For goodness sakes, she is the mother of his oldest legitmate son, and his first wife.

I also would like to say that I agree with many of you on this board. Haya should have not been at his side for this occasion. If Hind could not have been there than no woman should. CP Mo should have told Haya that she would not be going on this trip, and that it was none negotiable.

Hind, in my opinion, should have been there in some capacity. I don't know how, but she should have. I feel sympathy for this women. I don't see how a woman who has had 12 children with a man has no emotion when she hears he has taken another wife, as though, she was not good enough or not loyal or beautiful enough to keep him happy. I pray that her sons see what she is goinh through and vow to themselves that if and when they take a wife they devote themselves to her and if not, make descretion paramount when engaging in trists or courtship with other women. We generation XY must learn from our predecesors' mistakes.
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Simply put, this Mo needed a young modern wife to look modern himself in the eye of Westerners...

Haya, on the other hand, found someone to secure her financially and maybe emotionally....

So, both parties are getting a deal from each other...
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