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Old 04-14-2006, 07:52 PM
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IF you are going to quote me, don't take and twist my words to suit you. Calling people's opinions tiresome is offensive so maybe you should choose your words carefully. No one is saying you can't criticize Princess Haya. I think the mods expect you to be fair, even when criticizing, and not just spout rumors and allegations about her if you don't have the proof to back up what you are saying. The general consensus here is that most members who post on her threads really like her, and that is why you read a lot of postitive remarks about her.


Again, I wasn't telling you you can't post here, or don't post here, I was merely making a suggestion not to visit if you don't like what you are reading. If I called your views and similar ones like yours tiresome, and believe me, I have seen my share of them way before you even got here, then it would be rude and disrespectful to you. Another thing, if you aren't so concerned with the other Sheikha's, then why bring them up? No one is denying their existance or their importance to the country. And yeah, IMO, she is an asset to the UAE. HRH Princess Haya of Jordan is the title she was given, so why is that a problem?
i am posting on what i hear from within the country..... if you don't like what people say or think, thats fine, but im bringing a local perspective. you say that you are on the outside and judge from your place, its the samething as me. this is a forum to discuss haya - fact, fiction, image, character, the list goes on......

ofcourse i care about the sheikhas, but i do not care to start a thread where because they are not photographed, they are not appreciated.

to you she maybe an asset, to us, she is an ADDITONAL asset - like you stated previousley (no need to change your mind, just for the sake of my point).

her title is not a problem, but titles are either given through birth (like haya) or through marriage (like rania). but once the title to the person given by birth, is married, they adopt their husbands title.

look, before the mods start erasing things (seeing that we both have content in our posts that really do deal with haya), lets agree to disagree.....
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Old 04-15-2006, 12:00 AM
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i am posting on what i hear from within the country..... if you don't like what people say or think, thats fine, but im bringing a local perspective. you say that you are on the outside and judge from your place, its the samething as me. this is a forum to discuss haya - fact, fiction, image, character, the list goes on......

ofcourse i care about the sheikhas, but i do not care to start a thread where because they are not photographed, they are not appreciated.

to you she maybe an asset, to us, she is an ADDITONAL asset - like you stated previousley (no need to change your mind, just for the sake of my point).

her title is not a problem, but titles are either given through birth (like haya) or through marriage (like rania). but once the title to the person given by birth, is married, they adopt their husbands title.

look, before the mods start erasing things (seeing that we both have content in our posts that really do deal with haya), lets agree to disagree.....

I have no problem with that...I'm not in the mood to debate anyhow. I just wanted to point out something that I thought was disrespectful to me. Just for the record, I didn't change my mind for the sake of your argument. I didn't realize I left out the word additional since I was in a hurry. However, I have since corrected my mistake as not to cause any misinterpretations.
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Old 04-15-2006, 04:39 AM
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To those of you who are not PH fans, may I ask why you don't like her getting in the limelight as his wife, when I believe you stated that he has other women, other wives, lots of children. So what's one more wife in the family (not meant disrespectfully) and if she is doing nice things, why not have them in the press? Is it the fact that she does receive so much press? If so, what would your feelings be if Sha H got more press? Would that even things up for you? There does seem to be alot of interest in PH (if you look at the number of "hits" on the PH threads as compared to the Sha Hind threads, they speak volumes).
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Old 04-15-2006, 03:27 PM
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"(nothing modern about marrying a man old enough to be her father,or have enough kids to start his own country) "
i'm not sure u meant this funny zzz but it made me smile and wonder how many wives and children does he have and does PH live in UAE with him. And is not being photographed a privacy issue or the personal choice of these ladies in terms of their culture and religion which should be respected and not questioned? i'm sorry if this has already been discussed, i mean no disrespect.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:19 PM
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"(nothing modern about marrying a man old enough to be her father,or have enough kids to start his own country) "
i'm not sure u meant this funny zzz but it made me smile and wonder how many wives and children does he have and does PH live in UAE with him. And is not being photographed a privacy issue or the personal choice of these ladies in terms of their culture and religion which should be respected and not questioned? i'm sorry if this has already been discussed, i mean no disrespect.
he has 3 wives that people know about, sheikha hind (first lady of dubai), a moroccan/algerian (she is the mother of maitha and majed) and princess haya. there have been others, but know one is able to put a number on it or even identify them. his children from sheikha hind and the morrocan/algerian one are the most visible (and manal, who's mother is lebanese).

not being photographed is both privacy and tradition. if you open your self up to one picture, you have allowed the world in and can not control it (you sort of become public property). tradition is also a big part, a wife is very sacred, very protected in the arab world, men don't like their friends looking at their wives.
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Old 04-17-2006, 06:37 PM
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thank you zzz
i'm a Texan and our men don't much like others looking at their wives either
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Old 04-22-2006, 06:24 AM
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ZZZ and others thank you for the native opinions. To me rania and haya are new westernized modern women who truelly appreciate the power of Media PR-politicians usually call them "spinning". Personally I like more of Sheikha Hind`s style-understated, old fashioned with values which says that the true kindness needs no advertizing-of course, Mo wanted a PR person for new modern image of his place so it goes both way but when people like rania and haya are the only ones being recognized or taking credits, then I think it is another story. To me, they are more of show-off type-needing to prove themselves to the world-maybe they need to due to their strategic positions-but if I could choose either types, I would rather choose the ones who do good without extra publicity to create thier image. I have always thought that the real good ones do not need to be on TV. One noble British gentleman in his 40`s said the same thing. The real good ones are the ones the world does not know...
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Old 04-22-2006, 01:16 PM
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Julial, I somewhat agree with what you are saying about show offs and PR and spinning, but what about getting publicity or the meeting or charity they are working on? We don't know much about Sha Hind's contributions because there doesn't seem to be much PR about these. In today's world, media plays an important role in communicating what is being done and who is doing it. By doing so, more attention is drawn to that event and by doing so, more money is gotten or more people will talk about the event, thus "stirring the pot" so to speak and getting the event on people's minds.

PH and the rest of the "show offs" are recognizable people who are supporting causes to give the world knowledge of things they might ordinarily not know about (i.e., Hunger being worse in certain countries, war torn countries trying to re-establish themselves, global warming, inhumane treatment of animals, and the list goes on and on). I am glad that we have people who will take these tasks onto their shoulders, as we need someone to "put it out there for us to see".:)
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I am aware that many charities feel that getting a celebrity or two onboard helps their cause but to be honest, when it comes to things like the earthquake in Pakistan, the tsunami, the kids being injured in wars around the world, the famine in Niger, we don't need well fed multi-millionaire types to tell us to donate as the pictures of these terrible tragedies speak for themselves and anyone who is a decent human being is moved to try to help. I just hate it that a lot of these celebrities then take all the kudos for attending a charity ball, giving a small speech, eating haute cuisine dinners and dressing up in designer clothes when the real heroes are the people on the ground working to help those people day after day without the benefit of Hello magazine or a huge PR machine behind them. Also, wehen you look at the salaries of the Directors of these charities, you have to wonder where your money actually goes!!!!

These celebrities don't show us these things, the news and journalists do. For example it was the journalist Michael Buerk from the BBC who first highlighted the famine in Ethiopia back in the 1980's not Bob Geldof. Not to disparage LiveAid in any way but Bob Geldof wouldn't have heard about the Ethiopian famine if it hadn't been for the BBC and other news organisations. So I am afraid I don't buy into the ' celebs educate us about things we wouldn't otherwise know about' type mentality and let us not forget all the great PR these celebs get from putting their names to various causes - it is a two way street and not always 100% altruism.

Celebrities and royqlty get plenty of good PR from their charity dinners, lunches and balls not to mention the all expenses paid trips. It is news editors who show and highlight happenings in the world not royalty.
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Old 04-23-2006, 01:28 PM
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he has 3 wives that people know about, sheikha hind (first lady of dubai), a moroccan/algerian (she is the mother of maitha and majed) and princess haya. there have been others, but know one is able to put a number on it or even identify them. his children from sheikha hind and the morrocan/algerian one are the most visible (and manal, who's mother is lebanese).

not being photographed is both privacy and tradition. if you open your self up to one picture, you have allowed the world in and can not control it (you sort of become public property). tradition is also a big part, a wife is very sacred, very protected in the arab world, men don't like their friends looking at their wives.
Thank u for the info. BTW i have no problem with PH opening herself up to the press for good causes if it means the charities etc get more money!!
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Old 04-23-2006, 02:12 PM
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not being photographed is both privacy and tradition. if you open your self up to one picture, you have allowed the world in and can not control it (you sort of become public property). tradition is also a big part, a wife is very sacred, very protected in the arab world, men don't like their friends looking at their wives.
I guess it is a personal (and cultural ) preference according to women`s personalities then.
Some want limelight, some want to be left alone. :) As long as Sheikh MO loves both of them!
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Old 10-19-2006, 01:09 PM
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She looks nice.

Sorry little stupid question - but is Haya some kind of first wife know?
I know that she is his next wife not first.
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Old 10-20-2006, 04:39 PM
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Haya is Sheikh Mohammed's 2nd wife.
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Old 10-20-2006, 07:45 PM
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although no one is for certain (these matters are never made public), my understanding is that she is his third wife. sheikh majid's mother is the second wife. he divorced one of his children's mother, but i was told that he is still married to majid's mom and of course, sheikha hind. that would make haya his third(?). i think majid's mother also travels with the rest of the family (meaning hind's) and is accepted by them. maybe that is why majid appears to be so close to hind's children.
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Old 10-21-2006, 06:42 AM
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The mother of sheikh Majid is from Morocco.

I think that Haya is the nummer 4 as wife because I heard that sheikh Mohammad had a wife from libanon too and he has a children with her also. Sheikha Manal is one of them.
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Old 10-21-2006, 07:32 AM
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that's right. i forgot about sheikha manal's mother. however, no one knows if he is divorced from any of them. there is a ? about if he married all of his children's mothers.
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:18 AM
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Princess Haya is wife number four. All of the children you post about and whom are seen in public are viewed as "official children" which means they were not born out of wedlock. Sheikh Rashid is the first "official" child but there is an older half brother.
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Thanks everybody, I hadn't realised Haya was wife number 4. I've only ever heard of Sheikha Hind so assumed there were no others.
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Old 10-22-2006, 10:48 AM
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I can't believe she's wife number 4. I can't believe that she accepted to be the fourth. It doesn't seem to be the mood or the habits at the jordanian royal house to share your husband. She didn't grow up in this spirit. Really I can't understand her...
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me too I can't belive and understand why a young,Educated and beautiful princess Accept to be the Fourth wife.and share her husband with tree other women.
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