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Old 10-30-2005, 02:23 PM
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I know the sleep thing all too well....and thanks to "falling back" today into or out of daylight savings time--I always get it wrong, I'm really confused today! Yes, you did point out that Haya has been involved in charitable endeavors, too!:)

I don't think a public photo exists of Hind. While I respect the culture, it would be nice to see one. I've heard she's very attractive and kind when one meets her in person.

Haya is in a complicated situation, one that invites comparisons, because she is not the only wife--in addition to the fact she is from Jordan, where customs are different. PH was raised to think nothing of having a camera pointed in her direction while obviously this is just not done in S Hind's case. It's kind of a shame because, in the west, people are going to know somewhat more about what PH is doing, while SH is anonymous. You've got to be doing something right to have the love and respect shown to her by so many......so it's going to be an uphill challenge for PH for awhile--or so it seems to me. It does help her husband is incredibly supportive. Had she not had that, I think her life would be very difficult.

My question is why is the privacy of Hind so important that not so much as a photo of her can be taken or published? From what is this tradition derived? Even her speeches, while they may be written by her, seem to be delivered by others, albeit I believe she is present. If anyone has any insights, they'd be greatly appreciated.
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You're right, Sommone. What you posted was "Instead look at it as one more person who can contribute to the important issues like these." Sorry for putting words in your mouth. I think the essence is the same: One more person to help out where help is needed is a good thing IMO.

The little I know of Haya was better explained by Humera when she added that Haya has been involved in charitable endeavors before, so this is nothing new. It helps round out the picture.QUOTE]


I'm not offended, MS...thanks for helping to get my thoughts together. That conclusion was what I was going for, but I hadn't had much sleep the day I typed that post, and well, it just wasn't coming out right. Not to toot my own horn, but I also pointed out that Haya had previously done charity work in Jordan before leaving to pursue her horse related endeavors. :o :)
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Old 10-30-2005, 02:29 PM
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I always learn something from your posts, Saba; thank you. What is the age difference between Haya and her husband? I agree with the comparison between QN and PH, by the way. Taking it a step further, do you ever see a time when PH may be widowed and is in the position of wanting or being wanted around in the UAE? Or will her stepchildren want her out? I'm still not sure if QN is choosing to steer clear of Jordan for long periods of time or if she feels unwelcome there? I think it's her choice--for whatever reason. Now, like QN, PH has her husband to go to bat for her. What happens when that's no longer the case? I know you can't predict the future but would appreciate the insights you or others have on this matter.
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Being the wife of a very popular and outspoken Crown Prince, Princess Haya is in no way shunned in places where it matters. With some people Haya just can not win; however for the next generation she will do quite well. Sheika Fatima bin Mubarak of Abu Dhabi is very outspoken and publicized for her charitable endeavors, always has been. Haya reminds me a lot of Queen Noor when she married King Hussein, (haya's father) it took awhile but she made a difference and Haya will as well in Dubai, her husband will make sure of it.
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Old 10-30-2005, 03:52 PM
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the problem of marrying a much older man is that he usually passess away lot earlier than you.
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Do you think Haya really is happy with her descion to Marry the Prince? In this picture she looks like of somber and the prince looks mean. She seems like a strong willed woman and she probably wouldn't have married him if she didn't love him right? I hope they are happy. What do you think?

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Old 11-10-2005, 07:12 PM
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are you talking about the last picture HRHAmy?
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:11 AM
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guys have u heared of the word LOVE???!!! maybe they wherer in love. but one question who is MO?? i understood that haya is a the king sister.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:16 AM
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I believe that Haya inded loves her Husband and indeed like her Mother
she would have had to have felt completely sae at at ease with Muhammad is she was to marry him. I can only speak for mysel and say that I do not think that she is an unscrupulous Woman.

In addition to that I merely pointed out that she had to marry a Man not only with the aforementioned qualities but the ability to respect her in life. Not every male in the world can do so. :)


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guys have u heared of the word LOVE???!!! maybe they wherer in love. but one question who is MO?? i understood that haya is a the king sister.
Sheikh Mumahammad bin Rasheed Al-Maktoum is the Al-Wali Ahad (Crown Prince) of Dubai and Distinguished Defence Minister of the United Arab Emirates. At present dubbed the Roshest Man on Earth.:)
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:39 PM
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I don't understand and confused about one thing:

How can sheikh Mohamed hide his first wife, nobody sees her in public so nobody can a photo of her. This in contradiction of his second wife princess Haya. She is walking with a lot of men and you can see the details of her body if she is wearing tight clothes. I image men are looking to her in these tight clothes, refering to the photo.

Is this man only jalous on his wife sheikha Hind and not on his wife princess Haya, men are looking to her?

I think this man has a strange/extreme behaviour.

For wich wife has this man respect?
For sheikha Hind or for princess Haya or for none?
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:46 PM
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what you think about the role of princess Haya as a stepmother I know the children of MO don't need a mother but for sure they contact with her regularly especially the older children who share with her the same interest in horses and racing etc ...
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Old 12-10-2005, 04:31 PM
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It's a good question but I have no idea..... Perhaps someone from Dubai or the UAE or more familiar with PHaya and her husband and the whole family would know.

I think PHaya looks lovely. I've never seen a photo of Hind but, from all I've read, she does many great things--which makes her a lovely person in my book. As has been noted--last post I recall was Humera's and I agree--both ladies do independent, progressive things. They seem to have different interests and act accordingly by lending their support to the causes they care most about.

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what you think about the role of princess Haya as a stepmother I know the children of MO don't need a mother but for sure they contact with her regularly especially the older children who share with her the same interest in horses and racing etc ...
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Old 12-11-2005, 09:44 AM
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I think that Princess Haya would make a great Step-Mother. I saw her when she conducted a Tour of my Country, where she aided little Children. She was the image of Motherhood, as she treated the Children she saw as if they were her own.

With regards to her Step-Children, indeed they odn't need a Step-Mother but it's a great stepping stone to forming a wonderful relationship with them. Moreover, Such a relationship would prove timeless in the future.
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Old 12-12-2005, 08:10 PM
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Spent a lot of time in DXB and even the people that don't like Sheikh Mo, well they respect him and his achievements and his vision for the place.

Whether this will all backfire in a few years when DXB is overdeveloped Disneyland in the Desert is another thing but Sheikh Mo has had the foresight to try to develop the country as a top tourist destination for when the oil runs out.

I think DXB will become a parody of itself but as long as the Emiratis have one of the highest living standards in the world, I don't think Sheikh Mo cares.

Haya is a shrewd woman and at nearly 30, there weren't amny suitable men of a similar rank for her to marry. I don't think this marriage was purely financial, yes, I agree power and status come into it but also protection and security - things Haya was lacking in her life. Sheikh Mo can give that and also they have a genuine love of horses to share.

Must admit, I would love to be a fly on the wall in those royal palaces though...... wht really is the Hind/Haya situation?????
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:49 AM
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"Haya is a shrewd woman and at nearly 30, there weren't amny suitable men of a similar rank for her to marry. I don't think this marriage was purely financial, yes, I agree power and status come into it but also protection and security - things Haya was lacking in her life. Sheikh Mo can give that and also they have a genuine love of horses to share."

I've always thought that, people generally claim she's a gold-digger but I've always thought there was more to it than that.
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Old 12-14-2005, 09:51 AM
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"Haya is a shrewd woman and at nearly 30, there weren't amny suitable men of a similar rank for her to marry. I don't think this marriage was purely financial, yes, I agree power and status come into it but also protection and security - things Haya was lacking in her life. Sheikh Mo can give that and also they have a genuine love of horses to share."

I've always thought that, people generally claim she's a gold-digger but I've always thought there was more to it than that.
I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and even though a woman is royal, it is still tough to get along on one's own without being judged in some way as a single woman, I mean. You are always defined by your relationships with others.

I don't think Haya is a gold digger at all - I think she and Sheikh Mo have found genuine companionship. They were known to be seeing each other a lot and in some ways I suppose they had to marry to stop rumours and and disgrace but I don't think that takes away from the genuine admiration they have for one another.

We don't know what Sheika Hind thinks of it - I wonder what King Hussein would have thought of it.

Life is short and maybe Mo and Haya are taking their happiness where they can. I must admit when I heard, I was really shocked but I have gotten used to it now. I do wonder about Sheika Hind though, you see even if Mo hadn't married Haya, there have been plenty of other women over the years and whether Mo married again or not, he could have put Hind to one side. Either way, Hind was going to lose if you look at it that way. Mo was always going to be the winner in all of this. I hope this marriage gives Haya what she needs.
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Old 12-14-2005, 10:12 AM
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I also think that PHaya at the age nearly 30, was probably very, very, old for ME standard-enter Sheikh Mo, old enough to make her look young-did actually rescue her. She probably plotted on meeting him one way or another so she could secure her future. Otherwise, she looked so invisible compared to Rania who became the Queen by her husband.
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I also think that PHaya at the age nearly 30, was probably very, very, old for ME standard-enter Sheikh Mo, old enough to make her look young-did actually rescue her. She probably plotted on meeting him one way or another so she could secure her future. Otherwise, she looked so invisible compared to Rania who became the Queen by her husband.
I don't think Haya is a gold digger. Sure she wasn't super wealthy like the Gulf royals but if there was trade off, I don't think it was all one way.

Sheikh Mo may be rich beyond belief but Haya is a Hashemite Princess with the blood of the Prophet (PBUH) in her veins - something no amount of money can buy

I don't think Haya is invisible. Rania is a beautiful woman (even though I agree she had a bit of discreet help) and a strong woman but she is only where she is because she is married to King Abdullah. If he divorced her tomorrow and took another wife - what then????

Haya may not be conventionally beautiful but she is vivacious and natural and lots of people in the ME have a soft spot for her, she comes from the heart, which is not really a feeling one gets with Rania, who although giving immaculate and polished performances, seems a bit more in her head generally speaking.

I like both women very much but they are very different.

Also, I don't think Sheikh Mo is so stupid as to be taken in by silly plots. I don't think that man is naive at all, in any sense of the word. His majlis is awash with intrigue and gossip, he grew up with it. He is not at all stupid.
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Old 12-14-2005, 11:19 AM
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"I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and even though a woman is royal, it is still tough to get along on one's own without being judged in some way as a single woman, I mean. You are always defined by your relationships with others."
The Middle east is not the only society to judge women who are 30 and alone, every culture appears to do so.

"I don't think Haya is a gold digger at all"
I don't think money was her only objective in marrying Mo, but it was definitely one of them.
"- I think she and Sheikh Mo have found genuine companionship. They were known to be seeing each other a lot and in some ways I suppose they had to marry to stop rumours and and disgrace but I don't think that takes away from the genuine admiration they have for one another."
I think that was noticeable after the marriage, I remember the wedding photo and while Haya was radiant, they were stilted and awkward together.
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"I spent a lot of time in the Middle East and even though a woman is royal, it is still tough to get along on one's own without being judged in some way as a single woman, I mean. You are always defined by your relationships with others."
The Middle east is not the only society to judge women who are 30 and alone, every culture appears to do so.

"I don't think Haya is a gold digger at all"
I don't think money was her only objective in marrying Mo, but it was definitely one of them.
"- I think she and Sheikh Mo have found genuine companionship. They were known to be seeing each other a lot and in some ways I suppose they had to marry to stop rumours and and disgrace but I don't think that takes away from the genuine admiration they have for one another."
I think that was noticeable after the marriage, I remember the wedding photo and while Haya was radiant, they were stilted and awkward together.
I agree little star, it is tough being a woman alone anywhere in the world!!! I wasn't singling the ME out for special treatment, I love the ME.

Also, Emirates is very conservative place and so they couldn't relax or be familiar in front of the cameras - anyway, they must have known what everyone was saying about them. I don't think I would have relaxed either.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:38 PM
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Also, Emirates is very conservative place and so they couldn't relax or be familiar in front of the cameras - anyway, they must have known what everyone was saying about them. I don't think I would have relaxed either.
please explain what you mean by emirates?
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I mean the United Arab Emirates.
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