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Old 09-10-2005, 07:57 AM
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I cant wait to hear princess haya's pregnancy news..I think she'll be a very good mother someday and her baby will be as beautiful as her..Well, she'll be an aunt very soon as Prince Ali and Princess Rym welcomes their baby this year. :) :)
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Old 09-17-2005, 12:19 PM
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I cant wait to hear princess haya's pregnancy news..I think she'll be a very good mother someday and her baby will be as beautiful as her..Well, she'll be an aunt very soon as Prince Ali and Princess Rym welcomes their baby this year. :) :)
Yeah, i'm beginning to wonder when there'll have children too!!!! There've been married for two years or so haven't they? I guess their w8ting 4the rite moment!!!
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:56 PM
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Mo already has many, many children so in case if it never happened, this should not be too much of issue, I hope...

I myself get so irritated by relatives putting pressue on me to get married. They keep telling me that women should not be too picky, since we have expiration date, unlike men. That sounds very degrading-everyone wants to be with someone you feel absolutely sure-otherwise, why should I pick a random roommate for myself? I understand that with marriage women become more socially acceptable and all but the thought of being pushed into it make me mmm...
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Old 10-20-2005, 03:26 AM
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I think PH isn't in any hurry to have children...She's still young. I agree, should she not have any, or if she isn't able to have any, it shouldn't be an issue. There are many things PH can do to contribute to society besides being someone's mother. However, we don't know whether or not she can or can not have children, so until we know otherwise, I'm going to assume that she can, but chooses not to at the moment.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:08 AM
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Women are more than just baby-machines! If Haya hasn't had a child yet it's probably becuase she doesn't want one.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:33 PM
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It does get irritating. I think you phrased it well when you said "women have expiration dates." That's certainly how it feels. I got married at 30 and endured ten years of people asking when I was going to get married. Then, it was five years of "you're not getting any younger; when are you going to have kids?" Haya's experiencing the same thing--only on a more public level.
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Mo already has many, many children so in case if it never happened, this should not be too much of issue, I hope...

I myself get so irritated by relatives putting pressue on me to get married. They keep telling me that women should not be too picky, since we have expiration date, unlike men. That sounds very degrading-everyone wants to be with someone you feel absolutely sure-otherwise, why should I pick a random roommate for myself? I understand that with marriage women become more socially acceptable and all but the thought of being pushed into it make me mmm...
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Old 10-21-2005, 02:59 PM
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The pix from CNN were great!!! Thanx 4them! I still say that Haya is just w8tg 4the right time to have kids - u know mayb she doesn't want to rush into anything. She seems pretty happy with Mo'.
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Old 10-22-2005, 03:26 PM
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I'd read PH had said she hoped to participate in the 2012 Olympics. She didn't say if she would be representing the UAE or Jordan though. That's such a long way off, I'd be amazed if she wanted to compete by then though. Has anyone else heard of this or read more about her thoughts?

By "styling herself" after QR, I wasn't so much thinking of looks but QR looks into schooling and suddenly PH is doing the same, QR looks into orphanages and again PH is taking that cause on,.... It could be coincidence but PH seems to want to establish herself as the #1 lady in the UAE and is looking for role models and causes to align herself with, which generally elicit good publicity.
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Old 10-27-2005, 10:49 PM
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Princess Haya's Public Role

Most if not all of the sheikhas of the royal families in the UAE have been involved in many charities and organizations that serve others their entire life. These women have had role models their entire lives and they are the role models for the next generation.

The role is new for Haya, it has not been a part of her lifestyle in the same way. I am sure in time Haya will adapt and her contributions will be viewed just as significant as the other ladies, if they only will give her a chance to be a part. Haya has strengths in many areas. She has valuable life experiences, a varied education and exposure to many cultures; these are assets that can work in positive ways for the organizations in which she participates. Her point of view contributes to her abilities to be successful in a culture different than her own, Haya is capable to function in a country much different than her native Jordan.

All of the women of the UAE, native or otherwise who choose to give of themselves to their family and others and are committed to their causes for a family community are just as important as the ones born to it as are the ones joined by marriage.

Princess Haya is in a very challenging position, of which I'm sure her husband feels confident she can excel at. It can not be easy for her to be under the spotlight in everything she does; she doesn't have the liberty of privacy accorded to many sheikhas. Her self confidence and determination and proudly represent her new country is a testament to her resilience.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:52 PM
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By "styling herself" after QR, I wasn't so much thinking of looks but QR looks into schooling and suddenly PH is doing the same, QR looks into orphanages and again PH is taking that cause on,.... It could be coincidence but PH seems to want to establish herself as the #1 lady in the UAE and is looking for role models and causes to align herself with, which generally elicit good publicity.
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood. Anyhow, those are important issues...could be coincidence. One never knows. I personally hope that Haya is doing from the goodness of her heart instead of seeking publicity. I mean she should know that everyone isn't going to be pleased regardless of what she does.

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Most if not all of the sheikhas of the royal families in the UAE have been involved in many charities and organizations that serve others their entire life. These women have had role models their entire lives and they are the role models for the next generation.

The role is new for Haya, it has not been a part of her lifestyle in the same way. I am sure in time Haya will adapt and her contributions will be viewed just as significant as the other ladies, if they only will give her a chance to be a part. Haya has strengths in many areas. She has valuable life experiences, a varied education and exposure to many cultures; these are assets that can work in positive ways for the organizations in which she participates. Her point of view contributes to her abilities to be successful in a culture different than her own, Haya is capable to function in a country much different than her native Jordan.

All of the women of the UAE, native or otherwise who choose to give of themselves to their family and others and are committed to their causes for a family community are just as important as the ones born to it as are the ones joined by marriage.

Princess Haya is in a very challenging position, of which I'm sure her husband feels confident she can excel at. It can not be easy for her to be under the spotlight in everything she does; she doesn't have the liberty of privacy accorded to many sheikhas. Her self confidence and determination and proudly represent her new country is a testament to her resilience.

I agree Saba. Great post btw. Her contributions shouldn't be devalued because she isn't native, or hasn't been at it as long as others. I would hope those who benefit from her kindness don't see her desire to help as any less than that of others....Instead look at it as one more person who can contribute to the important issues like these.
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Old 10-28-2005, 10:50 PM
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Her contributions shouldn't be devalued because she isn't native, or hasn't been at it as long as others..
Its Not because she is not native...and her contriutions are not devaluated but in comparisson to what the sheikhas do here what Haya is doing is very normal and doesnt mean much .... Talking about myself i laugh when i read in papers what she does ...its in media and all papers write about it and her site keeps talking about what she has done.... and its a very simple thing where Normal UAE families do much more and dont talk about it....
and what the sheikhs do here from contribution and dont like any one to talk about not media Because they always say what ever we do we feel its not enough to our relegion and the people in need....
they do MANY things without mentioning....where are simple things are mentioned in all papers .... Here people dont TRADE with Charity work to gain the love of PEOPLE....
For Exapmple SH. Hind Feeds 40,000 Forty Thousand peron EVERY Single day in CHINA all through Ramdan... It was never mentioned in Media when i was in a trip to a chartiy orginisation someone who works there mentioned it and he kept mentioning what she has done and that she never likes her charity activity to be out in media beause she feels this is between herself and god....
What i personaly know of her charity work is endless and would rarley be mentioned if she has no control over it.... but what we see and NOT DEVALUATING Haya's work but what I feel is that she is trading with her charity work to gain people's Love which doesn't work at all here....
I think being herself is much better that COPYING other's work
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Old 10-28-2005, 11:13 PM
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thank you for letting us know more bout SHind...i have a great respect for those true old-fasioned good people...funny those who speak loud are usually not the best in the fields...

but the problem with real good people is that outside people do not recognize them due to their discretion...

my grandma(passed away)used to donate quite abit which no one knew except people who were closed to her-

it is a pity that people who speak loud are people who are given position in the world..

SHind and PHaya seem to have quite different personalities...Phaya, the new version of SMo`s love, the symbol of the new Dubai...
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Old 10-28-2005, 11:14 PM
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I'm on waaaaay unfamiliar territory here. I liked what Sommone said about thinking of it as one more person to contribute to the greater good--or words to that effect.

I'm trying to understand something. Haya is out and about and promoting her efforts, while Hind is low profile and focuses her activities on doing good works in a low-key manner--and, in fact, wishes them not to be publicized. That is more in keeping with the way things are done traditionally in the UAE. Is this a correct interpretation?

I guess my original wonderment began with my thinking Haya seems to be trying to ingratiate herself more with the people of Dubai and the UAE by involving herself in charitable causes--which naturally look much better than seeing her only clinging to her husband's arm at horse shows. It's an expectation of leaders to be concerned and show it through charity and works which better the people. She seems close to QR so I was thinking she might be trying to find a role model to follow.

Surely, no one can replace Hind in terms of the things she has done and the love the people of the UAE and others have for her. That much is evident. I guess what I'm hearing is that Haya will always be regarded as Jordanian and an outsider no matter what she does--perhaps, too, because her public way of doing things is just not in keeping with the UAE's accepted practices of discretion when it comes to charity. Would this be a fair assessment? Is there anything Haya can do which would make her more palatable to the people of the UAE or is this really a lost cause in the eyes of the people there?
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:17 AM
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Its Not because she is not native...and her contriutions are not devaluated but in comparisson to what the sheikhas do here what Haya is doing is very normal and doesnt mean much
Why should there be any comparison of charity work in the first place? I mean I think it is wonderful all the great things that Shka Hind does for people. She seems to be a really great woman in that aspect. I can even respect how the Shkas in your country don't want their charity work publicized. However, Haya's charity work may not mean much to you, but it may just mean a great deal to others. So, I feel that when you say it doesn't mean much, you are devaluing her work.


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but what we see and NOT DEVALUATING Haya's work but what I feel is that she is trading with her charity work to gain people's Love which doesn't work at all here....
I think being herself is much better that COPYING other's work
Who's work is she copying? I mean helping the poor, and wanting people to be educated are major issues for a lot of people, so no one person can claim it was solely their idea to help poor people, or focus their work in education. I also think that Haya is being herself. When she was living in Jordan, before she left to live independently, she had several charity projects that were of great importance to her. As I said before, I hope that she knows that no matter what she does, she isn't going to please everyone, and the charity work she is doing comes from her heart.
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:30 AM
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Princess Haya is not copying anyone. She has been participating in charity works, having iftars with orphans, since before her marriage. Most of us have seen the pictures. The entire JRF takes part in such events esp. during Ramadan, including KA, QR, Princess Basma, Princess Muna, Prince Feisal, Princess Alia etc.
This sort of thing is expected from all Muslims royals and non-royals who are in a privileged position.
Haya is merely doing in Dubai what she did in Jordan. It is her social and religious obligation.
Her critics will twist anything she does into something cynical and meaningless.
A lot of royals do similar charity work, are even patrons of the same organizations. But does that mean they're copying each other? I dont think so.
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Being the wife of a very popular and outspoken Crown Prince, Princess Haya is in no way shunned in places where it matters. With some people Haya just can not win; however for the next generation she will do quite well. Sheika Fatima bin Mubarak of Abu Dhabi is very outspoken and publicized for her charitable endeavors, always has been. Haya reminds me a lot of Queen Noor when she married King Hussein, (haya's father) it took awhile but she made a difference and Haya will as well in Dubai, her husband will make sure of it.
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I'm on waaaaay unfamiliar territory here. I liked what Sommone said about thinking of it as one more person to contribute to the greater good--or words to that effect.

I'm trying to understand something. Haya is out and about and promoting her efforts, while Hind is low profile and focuses her activities on doing good works in a low-key manner--and, in fact, wishes them not to be publicized. That is more in keeping with the way things are done traditionally in the UAE. Is this a correct interpretation?

I guess my original wonderment began with my thinking Haya seems to be trying to ingratiate herself more with the people of Dubai and the UAE by involving herself in charitable causes--which naturally look much better than seeing her only clinging to her husband's arm at horse shows. It's an expectation of leaders to be concerned and show it through charity and works which better the people. She seems close to QR so I was thinking she might be trying to find a role model to follow.

Surely, no one can replace Hind in terms of the things she has done and the love the people of the UAE and others have for her. That much is evident. I guess what I'm hearing is that Haya will always be regarded as Jordanian and an outsider no matter what she does--perhaps, too, because her public way of doing things is just not in keeping with the UAE's accepted practices of discretion when it comes to charity. Would this be a fair assessment? Is there anything Haya can do which would make her more palatable to the people of the UAE or is this really a lost cause in the eyes of the people there?

I'm hoping there are citizens in the UAE, or at least Dubai, who actually appreciate her work, and see it as an extra contribution to greater good. Those are your words, MS. For some reason, the words greater good alluded me last night. I don't believe that Haya would ever think to try to replace Shka Hind. I think she is way smarter than that. I'm speculating here btw, but I think Haya may be use to charity functions being publicized in the media because many are/were in Jordan. So, I guess I can understand how it may be a problem with the publicity her charity work is getting since it doesn't appear it is done this way in the UAE. However, I still think that the work she does is just as important as the rest.


I agree with you about it looking better for her to be doing charity work than to only appear with her husband in public events, clinging to his arm. I think it is natural Haya to want to feel apart of the UAE fabric as it is her home now. However, it appears she has a challenge on her hands as long as people allow their biases to get in the way... She should accept the fact that convining some people will indeed be a lost cause simply because their minds are already made up about her. I think it isn't fair, but it appears to be that way.
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coming from monogamous sphere, I feel having more than one wife is tough for wives more so than for the husband. I suppose all the wives are cordial and publically happy and supportive of each other as a respect to their husband. But princesses are human beings as well... well, no need to further rock the boat :)
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You're right, Sommone. What you posted was "Instead look at it as one more person who can contribute to the important issues like these." Sorry for putting words in your mouth. I think the essence is the same: One more person to help out where help is needed is a good thing IMO.

The little I know of Haya was better explained by Humera when she added that Haya has been involved in charitable endeavors before, so this is nothing new. It helps round out the picture.

I'm not offended, MS...thanks for helping to get my thoughts together. That conclusion was what I was going for, but I hadn't had much sleep the day I typed that post, and well, it just wasn't coming out right. Not to toot my own horn, but I also pointed out that Haya had previously done charity work in Jordan before leaving to pursue her horse related endeavors. :o :)
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The role is new for Haya, it has not been a part of her lifestyle in the same way. I am sure in time Haya will adapt and her contributions will be viewed just as significant as the other ladies, if they only will give her a chance to be a part. Haya has strengths in many areas. She has valuable life experiences, a varied education and exposure to many cultures; these are assets that can work in positive ways for the organizations in which she participates. Her point of view contributes to her abilities to be successful in a culture different than her own, Haya is capable to function in a country much different than her native Jordan.


It can not be easy for her to be under the spotlight in everything she does; she doesn't have the liberty of privacy accorded to many sheikhas.
True good post Saba. I think that Haya just cannot win and there will always be some in Dubai who will never except her and always view her as an outsider. I think that this is a shame. PH has many good attributes and to dismiss them all like that without giving her a chance is terrible.

People who say she is doing what she does for publicity are missing the point. She gains the publicity anyway because of her high profile. But what is wrong with this if it brings attention to good causes etc. This doesn't mean that she is trying to overshadow SH. SH has nothing to worry about on that point. She has been the wife of SM for so many years and is extremely popular in Dubai. How can PH overshadow her in that respect?

One question: I understand from reading the many posts in various forums here that traditionally the wives of Sheikh's in Dubai are not photographed in public is this true? If so this would explain why PH with her higher profile gets more publicity than SH.
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