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Old 01-27-2013, 11:47 PM
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Thank you for your post.

In the case of Sheikh Mohammed am I to understand that some of his marriages have been of the temporary type despite the fact that he is Sunni? I don't understand when in this thread people speak of 'unofficial wives'.

None of this information will keep me from reverting one day, I'm just curious.
Actually only Shia have the so called "Mut'aa" marriage, which is temporary, but they have some conditions, like the woman must be "not a virgin" like widowed, divorced or so...but nowadays, most well respected shia families don't accept temporary marriages for their daughters...
As for Sunnites, most of them (the four interpretations/Mazhabs) agree that there's no such as marriage and it's forbidden, so the majority wins, but you can find a minority which accepts temporary marriage like in Saudia Arabia or so, where it's called "Mesyar", but the weird thing in it that, is a society like Saudia Arabia accepts such as a temporary marriage just when the women are originally not Saudians, which is a contradiction itself...this kind of marriage exists also in other Gulf states and maybe Sheikh Mo practiced it, as he can't have more than four wives in he same time.

From a historical point of view, the temporary marriage was made for males who were spending long time away from their families during long wars, but it was forbidden later like for alcohol which was not forbidden in begining.

If you consider to revert to Islam, you must read the full story of the things before to accept what others can tell you just maybe because hey have some ideas behind. The rules must be the same for all people whatever they are and from whatever country they are, and there should be no contradictions in it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:33 AM
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For me,some Muslim traditions around marriage seem a little bit confusing and contradicting-especially since there are different scholastic views on what is allowd and forbidden-also ranging from country to country but I found your elaborations very enlightening.
Practicing temporary marriages for soldiers who are away from home seems like a good idea to me-during WWII many soldiers had children with local women who were later socially excluded because they were born out of the wedlock.(Especially if they were black since at that time society was not so cosmopolitian and open-minded.)

Iīve read that temporary marriages are widely practiced in Iran because prostitution is very restricted under the Islamic law.By practicing TM men can "legally" be with a woman they donīt intend to marry.

Just to get back to the topic-Sheikh Mohammed answered to a reporter from CNN that he has four wifes.At that time he was newly married to Princess Haya and he is still married to Sheikha Hind.
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For me,some Muslim traditions around marriage seem a little bit confusing and contradicting-especially since there are different scholastic views on what is allowd and forbidden-also ranging from country to country.....
I confirm, this large heterogeneity is confusing. This confusion concerning not only to outsiders but also to Muslims themselves. In fact, every Muslim in individual is responsible for its actions and as a Muslim you have to use your wits to get a meaningful result.

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Just to get back to the topic-Sheikh Mohammed answered to a reporter from CNN that he has four wifes.At that time he was newly married to Princess Haya and he is still married to Sheikha Hind.
Really, I do not know such a statement by Sheikh Mohammed in an interview. Perhaps it would be very nice if you could post this interview here.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:26 AM
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Any ideas on why Sheikh didn't marry that Lebanese lady who gave him his eldest child? I mean, Sheikha Hind is his first wife right? It seems a bit interesting that the Sheikh only got married at the age of 30 to S. H.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:52 PM
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...Really, I do not know such a statement by Sheikh Mohammed in an interview. Perhaps it would be very nice if you could post this interview here.
I am sorry,I didnīt record that interview and itīs more than 5 years ago,maybe it can be found on youtube.Having four wives is officially accepted and the Sheikh certainly does have the means to provide a good house for his wives and all of his children.
As I donīt have any official or written evidence I can just speculate on the number of his wives.However I do believe that he is/was married to the Maroccan lady since Sheikh Majid got an influental position as Chairman of the Dubai Culture and Arts Authority and he was given the chance to represent Dubai in foreign countries.Sheikh Mohammed wouldnīt give such a job to a nobody,with tourism as one of the key economic sectors of the city,the reputation of Dubai in foreign countries is highly important.(Princess Haya is also a good representative since her father was held in high esteem both in Europe and USA and she is very educated,beautiful and charming.)
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:03 PM
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Any ideas on why Sheikh didn't marry that Lebanese lady who gave him his eldest child? I mean, Sheikha Hind is his first wife right? It seems a bit interesting that the Sheikh only got married at the age of 30 to S. H.
He was married to her when she had her child.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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Any ideas on why Sheikh didn't marry that Lebanese lady who gave him his eldest child? I mean, Sheikha Hind is his first wife right? It seems a bit interesting that the Sheikh only got married at the age of 30 to S. H.
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He was married to her when she had her child.
I can confirm what has been said by lady blue. I am sure that he was married in any manner with all the ladies with whom he has children. With two ladies he is still married. That some of the wives are not mentioned by name in public does not mean that there has been no marriage.
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Old 01-28-2013, 03:57 PM
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I am sorry,I didnīt record that interview and itīs more than 5 years ago,maybe it can be found on youtube.Having four wives is officially accepted and the Sheikh certainly does have the means to provide a good house for his wives and all of his children.
Very sad, the video is completely unknown to me. Someone else here who has secured the video? I think, the rest of your statement is self-evident.

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As I donīt have any official or written evidence I can just speculate on the number of his wives.However I do believe that he is/was married to the Maroccan lady since Sheikh Majid got an influental position as Chairman of the Dubai Culture and Arts Authority and he was given the chance to represent Dubai in foreign countries.Sheikh Mohammed wouldnīt give such a job to a nobody,with tourism as one of the key economic sectors of the city,the reputation of Dubai in foreign countries is highly important....
Let me correct your statement a little. Each of his children is a personality. None of his children is a nobody, just because the name of the mother is not known publicly or because the mother is not publicly occurs. Although some of the children come from not publicly presented marriages, it does not mean that they have a lower position or even insignificant in the family structure.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:30 PM
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Let me correct a little your statement. Each of his children is a personality. None of his children is a nobody, just because the name of the mother is not known publicly or because the mother is not publicly occurs. Although some of the children come from not publicly presented marriages, it does not mean that they have a lower position or even insignificant in the family structure.
My mistake,my wording was a little bit thoughtless-of course each and everyone of his children is special and unique!Some of them are still too young to have a chance to show their potential,they are still learning and need time to find an opportunity to use their intelligence & talents.If you follow my posts you will find that I have always appreciated Sheikha Mahra and Sheikha Maitha a lot and I have huge respect for Sheikh Mansoorīs military service.

I donīt make any difference between children from official wives and unofficial ones,but I know that some Emiratis do have more respect for the children of Sheikha Hind.She is the first and only Emirati-wife and she comes from a highly respected family (you are more knowledgeable about her tribe than I am,so I donīt have to tell you:-)
What is most important to me is merit,character and behaviour-not ancestry,nationality or social status.In this regard we can say that all of Sheikh Mohammedīs wives did a good work by bringing up their children with high moral principles,good attitude to work and decent manners.
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He was married to her when she had her child.
Thanks for your answer, I had no idea--I thought Sheikha Hind is his first wife.
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Thanks for your answer, I had no idea--I thought Sheikha Hind is his first wife.
She is his second or third wife. Perhaps even his fourth wife. But we donīt know. Sure only, she is not his first wife.
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^ But she is the most "superior" wife right?
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^ But she is the most "superior" wife right?
She is considered his firt official wife yes.
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If sheikha Hind is his second wife then who is the first one? and does he has children from her?
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If sheikha Hind is his second wife then who is the first one? and does he has children from her?
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I would guess Sheikh Marwanīs mother who is said to be of German origin,but I donīt know anything about her!
No, the first wife is the mother of Sheikha Manal (born 1977). The chronological order of the following marriages is not clear. The second wife to be the Moroccan lady, because the first child of her, Sheikha Maitha, was born in March 1980. The (presumably) third wife was probably Sheikha Hind, whose first child Sheikha Hessa was born in November 1980. Then should follow fourth wife, a german lady and the mother of Sheikh Marwan (born March 1981).

Since Sheikha Hind married Sheikh Mohammed in 1979, it may well be that she is the second wife. More likely is that she is the third wife. Because the marriage between Sheikh Mohammed and Sheikha Hind took place towards the end of the year the 1979 and Sheikha Maitha was born in early 1980. So it is to be assumed, that Sheikh Mohammed married the Moroccan wife already between 1978 and early 1979 - before the marriage with Sheikha Hind.

Please keep in mind when discussing that only sure that Sheikha Hind is not the first wife of Sheikh Mohammed (due the birth of Sheikha Manal before the date of marriage with Sheikha Hind). All other details of me are purely hypothetical, based on a mathematical calculation which is based on the births of subsequent children. There are no reliable official data on this.
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The marital status of Sheikh Mohammed is very complicated...!
If the first marriages were secret/unofficial-Did Sheikha Hind know about his previous children/wives?
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The marital status of Sheikh Mohammed is very complicated...!
If the first marriages were secret/unofficial-Did Sheikha Hind know about his previous children/wives?
Of course, she knows.....Sheikha Hind ensures that all of his children growing up within the meaning of the family life regardless which the mothers are. For more information about your question, please check also my previous posts with the numbers # 193 and # 195 on page 10 in this thread.
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Well,at least she knew what she was getting in.Iīve heard a lot of stories from women who got married and found out her husband has another wife or children from other relationships afterwards :-( For instance Barack Obamaīs mother didnīt know her husband (Barackīs father) already had a wife in Africa when she met him and he only told her after they got married.
But as long as everybody involved knows how many wives/children/relationships are going on,Iīm fine with it.
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