Princess Haya - news and picture thread part 1

[maryshawn]

In reading all the posts re: Princess Haya and her marriage, many have referenced her having children. My question is--what if she can't? This may be a rumor but I thought the inability to have children meant the husband could divorce a wife immediately in accordance with laws of Islam. Is this true? Personally, I don't think he will. He has plenty of children. Haya seems to be more of a trophy wife than anything. Just my opinion.

[silver charm]

i think the point is completely irrelevant.

if she can or can't bear children won't insure her any special place in mo's heart, mind or harem. he kicked his first wife of 25 years (and 12 kids) to the back of the line for dear haya. he has no scrupples.

mo will divorce when and if he feels like it.

[Gobsmacked]

Under sharia law, a man can divorce his wife easily for any reason, not just infertility. It's a matter of stating "I divorce you" three times then I think there;s waiting the prescribed number of days from the last menstrual period to assure there's no pregnancy, anyone know for sure? Women can initiate divorce as well, but it's a more complicated procedure as they generally have to prove neglect, abuse, abandonment, violation of the marriage contract, etc.

My predictions for Princess Haya:

She's going to have 2, maybe 3 kids and fade into relative obscurity. I imagine at age 30 she's trying to get pregnant right away, however I don't see her trying to be a baby machine and have a half dozen plus like some Arab wives.

She will do the typical charity events and sponsorships. Nothing unusual, nothing that hasn't been done by a hundred other princesses. I don't see her as getting a "real job" like a Sheikha Lubna, starting a business or going to work and using her education in a prominent role in governmental affairs in her new country like a Shaikha Mozah or like the Bahraini Sheikhas (Haya and Sabika). Princess Haya will assuredly be more prominent publicly outside of Dubai, in Europe and Jordan. She may well live in Europe much of the time, esp if her kids are put in school there.

I think her jumping competition days are pretty much over as a rider. She might continue to do the x-country races, there is a big one tomorrow (Aug 7) in England she will probably take part in. Don't know how appropriate it would be for her to compete in this in the UAE-seems just about all male there.

Her children will have little role in the Dubai political scene. Her husband's older kids and their cousins and children will be the next generation of leaders, not her kids. I don't think her children will have any major role in the Jordanian royal stature either. I think the Jordanian monarchy will be one of the first in the area to be overthrown or democratized into a European style powerless royal house. Haya's kids may make a triumphal return to Jordan as elected leaders though, after a Western education.

I also predict she and Sheikh Mohammed will never divorce. He won't divorce her because the marriage is well-publicized worldwide, too high profile and Haya is 100% acceptable as a wife: arab, royal and muslima. He is likely very concerned with PR, his legacy and reputation especially at this stage of his life. Even if he takes another wife, or dabbles with concubines, she won't want a divorce at least while her kids are under 18. I think she very much belives in the 'fairy tale' especially because of her own mother-father situation. At 55-56, he only has those 20 good years left anyway. In light of this, I say a divorce will never happen, very separate lives may.

Your predictions?

[La la]

Originally posted by Gobsmacked@Aug 7th, 2004 - 6:21 am
I think the Jordanian monarchy will be one of the first in the area to be overthrown or democratized into a European style powerless royal house.

That's interesting! I've never thought about it. But I hope you're right. They already remind me of one. Maybe that way, QR's and KA's lavish spending habits can be reduced/limited.

Originally posted by Gobsmacked@Aug 7th, 2004 - 12:21 am
Under sharia law, a man can divorce his wife easily for any reason, not just infertility. It's a matter of stating "I divorce you" three times then I think there;s waiting the prescribed number of days from the last menstrual period to assure there's no pregnancy, anyone know for sure? Women can initiate divorce as well, but it's a more complicated procedure as they generally have to prove neglect, abuse, abandonment, violation of the marriage contract, etc.

My predictions for Princess Haya:

She's going to have 2, maybe 3 kids and fade into relative obscurity. I imagine at age 30 she's trying to get pregnant right away, however I don't see her trying to be a baby machine and have a half dozen plus like some Arab wives.

She will do the typical charity events and sponsorships. Nothing unusual, nothing that hasn't been done by a hundred other princesses. I don't see her as getting a "real job" like a Sheikha Lubna, starting a business or going to work and using her education in a prominent role in governmental affairs in her new country like a Shaikha Mozah or like the Bahraini Sheikhas (Haya and Sabika). Princess Haya will assuredly be more prominent publicly outside of Dubai, in Europe and Jordan. She may well live in Europe much of the time, esp if her kids are put in school there.

I think her jumping competition days are pretty much over as a rider. She might continue to do the x-country races, there is a big one tomorrow (Aug 7) in England she will probably take part in. Don't know how appropriate it would be for her to compete in this in the UAE-seems just about all male there.

Her children will have little role in the Dubai political scene. Her husband's older kids and their cousins and children will be the next generation of leaders, not her kids. I don't think her children will have any major role in the Jordanian royal stature either. I think the Jordanian monarchy will be one of the first in the area to be overthrown or democratized into a European style powerless royal house. Haya's kids may make a triumphal return to Jordan as elected leaders though, after a Western education.

I also predict she and Sheikh Mohammed will never divorce. He won't divorce her because the marriage is well-publicized worldwide, too high profile and Haya is 100% acceptable as a wife: arab, royal and muslima. He is likely very concerned with PR, his legacy and reputation especially at this stage of his life. Even if he takes another wife, or dabbles with concubines, she won't want a divorce at least while her kids are under 18. I think she very much belives in the 'fairy tale' especially because of her own mother-father situation. At 55-56, he only has those 20 good years left anyway. In light of this, I say a divorce will never happen, very separate lives may.

Your predictions?

My predictions:

they will stay married for few years and divorce lately...I guess Haya wont want to have children from Mo as i predict she does not want to have ties with his family..I predict she is just now married to secure some money for the future..

GOD KNOWS

[mizrahi_girl]

I DISLIKE HAYA

[Ipi Tombe]

Gobsmacked....

isn't it a little incongrous to be trying to get pregnant and riding 100mile horse races? i agree that she is doing everything in her power to give Mo a Jr.

also your comment about Haya being the ideal wife: arab, royal, muslim. there is one catch in that theory-everyone in dxb dislikes her and her husband has lost LOTS of respect within the community because of the marriage AND no one in Jordan likes her husband (besides Abdullah). in theory it looks perfect. but the in reality-it has probably been a nightmare for both of them.

her phyiscal appearance says volumes about what she has been through. the acne, weight gain, heinous clothes. she is a woman in need of help and has no one to go to. she essentially told the JRF to kiss off years ago, so i don't see them bending over backwards to help her through this transition. Especially Rania. and whatever 'real world experience' she has has basically been in a bubble of horsie-land, which from my own experience is as about as far removed from reality as it gets. also i really don't think ANYONE in the maktoums would walk across the street to save her life much less dedicate an ounce of energy to helping her out & making her feel welcomed.

but you can guarantee when Baba BigBucks is around it is all smiles and rosewater for fair haya further compounding the situation.

[bluetortuga]

Originally Posted by Ipi Tombe

Gobsmacked....

isn't it a little incongrous to be trying to get pregnant and riding 100mile horse races? i agree that she is doing everything in her power to give Mo a Jr.

also your comment about Haya being the ideal wife: arab, royal, muslim. there is one catch in that theory-everyone in dxb dislikes her and her husband has lost LOTS of respect within the community because of the marriage AND no one in Jordan likes her husband (besides Abdullah). in theory it looks perfect. but the in reality-it has probably been a nightmare for both of them.

her phyiscal appearance says volumes about what she has been through. the acne, weight gain, heinous clothes. she is a woman in need of help and has no one to go to. she essentially told the JRF to kiss off years ago, so i don't see them bending over backwards to help her through this transition. Especially Rania. and whatever 'real world experience' she has has basically been in a bubble of horsie-land, which from my own experience is as about as far removed from reality as it gets. also i really don't think ANYONE in the maktoums would walk across the street to save her life much less dedicate an ounce of energy to helping her out & making her feel welcomed.

but you can guarantee when Baba BigBucks is around it is all smiles and rosewater for fair haya further compounding the situation.

She's made her own bed. Now she has to sleep in it. No sympathy for the golddigger from this corner.

[La la]

Originally Posted by Ipi Tombe

Gobsmacked....

isn't it a little incongrous to be trying to get pregnant and riding 100mile horse races? i agree that she is doing everything in her power to give Mo a Jr.

also your comment about Haya being the ideal wife: arab, royal, muslim. there is one catch in that theory-everyone in dxb dislikes her and her husband has lost LOTS of respect within the community because of the marriage AND no one in Jordan likes her husband (besides Abdullah). in theory it looks perfect. but the in reality-it has probably been a nightmare for both of them.

her phyiscal appearance says volumes about what she has been through. the acne, weight gain, heinous clothes. she is a woman in need of help and has no one to go to. she essentially told the JRF to kiss off years ago, so i don't see them bending over backwards to help her through this transition. Especially Rania. and whatever 'real world experience' she has has basically been in a bubble of horsie-land, which from my own experience is as about as far removed from reality as it gets. also i really don't think ANYONE in the maktoums would walk across the street to save her life much less dedicate an ounce of energy to helping her out & making her feel welcomed.

but you can guarantee when Baba BigBucks is around it is all smiles and rosewater for fair haya further compounding the situation.

Must be the curse Hind put.

[sommone]

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[Ipi Tombe]

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also, i can't resurrect my id, either. so i choose another dang fine racehorse and HERE I AM....

Originally Posted by Marlene

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[La la]

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[Ipi Tombe]

i'm sure her equistrian prowess will continue with endurance but her showjumping days are over. it doesn't really matter. the maktoums are notorious for buying the best horses on the planet and the campaigning them like they bred them from their very own loins.

also i like the part about helping developing countries through sport. last time i checked the only country haya has helped through her horsie interest is france, germany, spain and ireland. not exactly 'developing' countries. she didn't even keep her showjumping team in jordan. kinda sad when a princess turns her back on her own country only to show up later on wearing it's colors and flag thanks to the cash influx of a foreigner (even if it is her husband).

her showjumping team is now supposedly in dxb. but none of my horsie friends in dxb have heard of it or seen it.

Originally Posted by La la

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[La la]

Ipi,

You have to excuse me for not knowing anything about horses other than what I have picked up from your previous posts.

Is it common to refrain from participating in horsy events if your horse is injured? Being married to Master Mo, I'm sure she has the finest of the finest in store. I remember reading an interview with Mo's son Ahmed, who said he had 30 something horses. What does she/they do with her/their other horses then? (and how do I add a confused ? icon)

I think her Mo did not allow her to participate....or he could not swallow that she would run under Jordanian flag

[Ipi Tombe]

actually when she rides-she wears the jordanian flag and says she represents jordan. mo can't do anything about that unless he is willing to give haya a passport. i think that would entail baba zayed & mrs. baba zayed blessing the marriage-not something that is going to happen.

therefore ms. haya is going to stay jordanian.

btw: i know TONS of jordanian women who have married uae men. they ALL want the passport and NONE of them have it. the uae does not hand out passports wontonly.

Originally Posted by Humble

I think her Mo did not allow her to participate....or he could not swallow that she would run under Jordanian flag

[Ipi Tombe]

In showjumping-yes, you refrain from participating if your horse is injured. the discipline requires one to have 'communication' between horse and rider that is usually developed over time. hence master mo buying a horse to put sweet haya's butt on just for the olympics won't really work. since she ultimately has to ride the horse and 'communicate' with it.

work riders. these are people paid to ride/train horses that someone else owns and competes with but does not have the facility to ride daily. very common in flat racing. then there are trainers who train the horses. and blah, blah, blah.....

i read somewhere that haya has employed a trainer for her team in dxb. once i again i know NOTHING of this team or where they are stabled or anything. they could be on a private farm or something-i just don't know. sorry. which is quite weird since i knew people who work for godolphin and rode endurance and competed in the local showjumping scene. you would think these people would KNOW if some high falutin showjumping team just showed up out of the mist-don't you think? and since all the horsie people in dxb probably numbers 150-everyone knows everyone's business.

just seems a little bizarre-o to me.

and once again, Mo is soooooo not interested in showjumping that I doubt he even knows what it is. unless of course pretending to be interested gets him into bed with some buxom showjumper.

Originally Posted by La la

Ipi,

You have to excuse me for not knowing anything about horses other than what I have picked up from your previous posts.

Is it common to refrain from participating in horsy events if your horse is injured? Being married to Master Mo, I'm sure she has the finest of the finest in store. I remember reading an interview with Mo's son Ahmed, who said he had 30 something horses. What does she/they do with her/their other horses then? (and how do I add a confused ? icon)

In early days of their marriage, I read that one of the conditions put on Mo when marrying Haya was that she will be always called Haya bint Hussein...Haya is already a BORN princess. she is not in need of UAE passport but in need of Mo' $$$$$.

So knowing she is always called Princess Haya bint Hussein and knowing that she is married to MO, i do not think Mo will want her to ride under Jordan. His Ego is acting..Also, he may not want poeple to see her wearing those showjumping outfit especially the tight pants)....

I am a commoner and I REFUSE such A UAE passport even if the country is gold paved even if they hand it to me (with all my respect to my UAE girl friends)...I just do not swallow the mentality of their men...