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Old 01-26-2011, 06:28 PM
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a horse and now a monster ha ha ha ha ha
it must be hard being his sweetheart
i wonder why he writes about a monster?
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Old 01-26-2011, 06:32 PM
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LMFAO i think it's for a girl thats all
he wrote about that LAMYA long time ago
but maybe its just a nickname & not her real name
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I remember him writing about a "Lamya" before, but I didn't expect the name to have such a significant meaning so I posted it because it's interesting. I'm not certain what he's really talking about though...anyway I think Lamya is an ugly name....
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Lamya means a girl possessing brown lips
Thats the arabic meaning
Monster is in Greek :p
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Old 01-26-2011, 07:02 PM
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That's a much better and more beautiful meaning in Arabic.:) thanks Sally..
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LMFAO i think it's for a girl thats all
he wrote about that LAMYA long time ago
but maybe its just a nickname & not her real name
Honestly girls, I do not think he would use her name so obviously!?!? So maybe it is a nick or even means something else.
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Hi,
I found a translation for a poem with an explanation that Sh Hamdan wrote posted only today 27/1/2011. It explains why he chose the name Lamya for her:He says that he calls her that because she is a "strong black woman" meaning she must have the Arabian tanned/olive skin colour...as sally said it means 'having beautiful dark lips' or dark complexion...like the Arabian Gulf Arabs I'm thinking he means..

Here it is, and I'm putting the link for the original Arabic version from his website for those who can understand:

http://fazza.ae/vb/t367343.html

Peace, mercy and blessings of God .......... This analysis of the poem Win __________________________ Acts thousand years ... Prior to this, several Cal _______ remain secret in the heart of the poet himself ........ This is the poem: A speech in what is useful, even if the father Tell myself how to be blamed Khvoki and benefit from speech became planted in my heart all my Important flew me up and passed me a thousand years you felt Alkhvoq and pulse in my bones Bazami pulse and broke my bones and I like nights and adore adore obscurantist and Anna what you discern its light from the darkness of respect Ojeha and returned my respect and I am writing my blood name to respect you I'm Calling her name and forget all the pointers and name in the name m pointers Dear L M and J and one thousand in the final And was followed by Weah Hallah Hallah A. Peace, peace in his case and a thousand in front of me and Rdjatni in the world of the righteousness of longing ....... Analysis: A fratricide war ____ 1000 B 1 is today a year and a thousand year and this Spbbh. Booth ______'s dimension and abandonment and the length of pain, separation and abandonment, along Aalzerov Alwlmp, which is now determined to keep Hearts, until he became the poet feels that the year one thousand, Alsber do fatigue, heart, eye and cried, and the heart still loves .... __________________________________________________ ______ Poet can not blame these feelings and sensations that are owned Old love the strong and steadfast to his lover, because it is the reason why he can make this love lives of his injuries and Khovgah and feelings and make love eternal, love lasting and strong, so he can not blame his heart because his heart and mind participants of this love is painful. ... __________________________________________________ _________ Feel the feelings of the poet of pain and feelings of Mejrouhp until he finds is not in a thousand year did not see but feel and honestly, so that this pain is no longer limited to Alkhvoq and heart and feelings, but exceeded the bones in her wounds!!! No, it did not stop even to the bone from the intensity of his love for her and the pain also went beyond the bone in order to penetrate and break ....... __________________________________________________ _________ Despite all this suffering felt by the poet of love exiled enjoy this because this pain comes from the beloved dear, he remembers all night and throughout the night, like darkness and night because he did not slept because of his sweetheart, loves to be followed by his memory, so that L distinguishes between followed and Nharaha because it is on the mind Always .......... __________________________________________________ ____________ Dealing in the poet boasts that he works with them to loving sane respectable not peppered with the eruption of anger and respect, but also said the former analysis (Kish Mmlk), when the unfailing is not it, this corresponds to respect and reception when you return the love and respect. __________________________________________________ __________________ Lamia, this is the name of the Altbdeli Hpopth Asmlemya see it, I do not know Why he chose this name, but he sees it, if we look at the meaning of the name of the night we would find that the meaning of a beautiful strong black girl ....... This made the name of the poet's life a big issue the issue does not know the beginning of the end ... Pleasant and painful issue. End"
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:18 AM
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He never said that she's a strong black woman
There is no description of the Girl
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Old 01-27-2011, 08:44 AM
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He never said that she's a strong black woman
There is no description of the Girl
I used two different online computer translators and just pasted in the translation they gave me. They both have that phrase: "if we look at the meaning of the name of the night we would find that the meaning of a beautiful strong black girl" ، لا اعرف لمذا اختار هذا الاسم لكنه يراه فيها ، ولو نظرنا لمعنى اسم ليلة لوجدنا انه يحمل معنى الفتاة السمراء الجميلة القوية .......
according to the translation ....so your issue is with the translation services then...that is how the translation came out online. I suppose it could be debatable, but it makes sense what the online translation services translated it as since you said Lamya means having beautiful dark lips (I also googled it:)) so logically her complexion would not be very fair or white if she has dark lips. Anyway, most poems are subjective.

Here is the full in arabic from his website...
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته ..........
هذا تحليل لقصيدة فز__________________________اع الف عام ... وقبل هذا كال_______عدة
يبقى السر في قلب الشاعر نفسه ........

هذه هي القصيدة :
ّّّألف عامّّّ



ما يفـيد الكـلام ولـو أبا احكـي كـلامي


كيف اعاتب خفوقي وما يفيد الكلام

من زرعته في قلبي صار كل اهتمامي



طار بي فوق هـامه ومرّ بي ألف عام



قمت احس الخفوق ونـبضها في عظامي



بعـظامي نبـضها وكسرت بي العظام



وآنا احب الليالي واعشق اعشق ظلامي



وآنا ما قـمـت امـيّـز نـورها من ظــلام



بـاحـتـرامٍ أجـيـها ورجـعـت بـاحـتــرامي



وآنا أكـتب بـدمّـي إسمـها بـاحـتــرام



قمت انادي إسمها وانسى كل الأسامي



واسمها في إسمها م الأسامي الكرام



لام ميـمٍ ويـاءٍ والألـف في الخـتـامـي



وعقـبـها هالله هالله ويا سلامٍ سـلام



ألف عـامٍ قضـيـته و ألـف عـامٍ أمـامي



ورجّعتني في عالم شوق برّ .......

التحليل :

ألف اعام ____ 1000 ب 1
أصبح اليوم بعام والعام بألف وهذا سبببه . طو______ل البعد والهجران وطول الالام والفراق والهجران ، طول االظروف الؤلمة التي باتت مصرة على ابعاد القلبين ، حتى أصبح الشاعر يشعر بأن العام بألف ، الصببر نفذ والقلب تعب ، والعين بكت ، والقلب ما زال يحب ....

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الشاعر لا يستطيع أن يلوم هذه المشاعر والاحاسيس التي يملكها بس حبها القوي والصامد على محبوبته ، لأنه هو السبب وهو من جعل هذا الحب يسكن جروحه وخوفقه ومشاعره وجعله الحب الابدي والحب الدائم والقوي ، لذا لا يستطيع ان يلوم قلبه لان قلبه وعقله مشتركين بهذا الحب المؤلم ....
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يشعر ويحس الشاعر بمشاعر الألم ومشاعر مجروحة حتى انه بات يرى العام بألف عام لا لا يرى بل يحس وبصدق ، حتى ان هذه الالام لم تعد مقصورة على الخفوق والقلب والمشاعر بل تعدت العظام في جروحها !!! لا وحتى انها لم تتوقف الى العظام من شدة حبه لها والمه ايضا تعدت العظام لكي تخترقها وتكسرها .......
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رغم كل هذا العذاب الذي يشعر به الشاعر من حبه المبعد يستمتع بهذا لان هذ الالم مصدره المحبوب الغالي ، الذي يتذكره بكل ليلة وطوال الليلة ، يحب الظلام والليالي لانه لا ينامها بسبب محبوبته ، يعشق ليليها بذكراه ، حتى انه لاا يفرق بين ليليها ونهاراها لانها على باله دائما ..........
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الشاعر يفتخر بتعامله معها لانه تعمل محب عاقل محترم لا يتخلله الغضب والثوران بل الاحترام
كما ذكرت بتحليل الاسبق ( كش مملك )

، عندما تفارقه هي وليس هو ، يقابل هذا باحترام وعندما تعود يستقبلها بحب واحترام .
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لميا ، هذا هو الاسم التبديلي لحبوبته يرى فيها اسملميا ، لا اعرف لمذا اختار هذا الاسم لكنه يراه فيها ، ولو نظرنا لمعنى اسم ليلة لوجدنا انه يحمل معنى الفتاة السمراء الجميلة القوية .......

اسمها هذا جعل من حياة الشاعر قضية كبيرة قضية لا يعرف بدايتها من نهايتها ...
قضية ممتعة ومؤلمة .
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:28 PM
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the lamia i found is this
- abaya designer [here]
- world of wacraft [here]
- video games [here]

does he play online video games? could the poem be about video games :P
& funny the abaya is written by haila al hashemi
coz sh hamdan sat next to reem al hashemi recently [here, here] - she's gorgeous!

i wonder if reem is married, but it's not an al hashemi forum :R
i have so many question about reem (is she royal, how old is she, etc, but this is al maktoum's)
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thats funny
Well, Reem AlHashemi is an emirati minister of state
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Old 01-28-2011, 09:28 AM
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well there is a city called Lamia in Greece.. Is he writting for the greek city? xaxa
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Old 01-28-2011, 09:36 AM
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First of all I DON'T KNOW ARABIC MUCH :R
But is this right? I'm learning. TQ!


عـالم ثـاني
Second world

[the poem]


ما قمت اشوف الشمس ولاقمت اشوف النور
How I see the sun rised and I do not see the light rised

حتى في هـذا الـيوم ما اشـوف خـلاّني
Even on the day how I see my loneliness

ما ادري مكاني وين لو هي السـنين تـدور
How I know my place وين as long as the years revolve

ما ادري أنا في عـالـمي أو عـالمٍ ثـاني
How I know I'm in my world or the second world

يا هو غريب احساس ياهو غريب شعـور
Oh this strange sense oh this strange feeling

أعـيش بيـن الـناس .. لكـنـّـي وحـداني
I live between humans.. but I am alone

عشت اغرب الإحساس في مظلمات بحور
Lived the strange sense in dark contrast

واسمع صدى الأصوات إن ياك وان ياني
I hear the voice echoes verily oh you and verily oh me

نـاسٍ تـفــارق نـاس وكـلّ ٍ لـعـب في دور
Man abandons man and everything plays in circle

والـدرب لـي ودّاه ،، روّح ولا جـاني
And the path to me to love him, soul and not geanie (demon)

قام هذا ينـسى ذاك وذاك عايـشٍ مغـرور
Has he forget that and that live through arrogance

واخاف حتى الـروح .. الروح تـنساني
And I'm afraid over the soul .. The soul that forgets

من يومه العشرين خمسه وخمسه عـشور
From his day of 25 and 15

حـتى ظلام اللـيـل من جــوره يـعـانـي
That the night's darkness whose cruelty suffering me

طافـت عـليّ ايّـام وطافـت عـليّ شـهـور
Wandered through the day and wandered through the months

واحـتـارت الأيـّـام واحـتـار مـيــزانـي
And I honored the day and I honor my fairness
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Good translation, you are improving
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I'm so afraid I get things wrong, so Thanks Very Much Sally!
In this poem it seems the reference is to a man not a woman? Is it?
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He seems so sad and so depressed in his poems. I mean all the loneliness, abandonment, and isolation is making me feel very sorry for him..and I hope he cheers up and that he finds happiness and peace of mind in his life. He seems lost wandering without his love or whatever is going on...But writing poetry is very therapeutic so maybe that helps him a lot so that is why he does it. Thank you for the translation sofness. Are you studying Arabic on your own? If so very good job!:)
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Thank You Very Much ArabianStar
Only by Allah's Grace الحمد لله, I can understand
With Google Translate, my moms dictionary & I'm bugging someone ha ha
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Sofness - how long has it taken you to get to this level of ability in Arabic? That seems pretty amazing to me, doing it on your own. Someday I hope to get the Rosetta Stone for Arabic - I would love to be able to read Arabic poetry, and not only Hamdan's. And to be able to speak Arabic would be wonderful. But right now I'm committed to learning Spanish.

In Hamdan's poetry he does sound sad - and emotionally isolated. In fact, he sounds depressed. I know how it can be to be surrounded with people - even people you love and care about, and still feel as if you were on the Moon, quite alone. But writing, poetry or prose, is a good way to let some of the sad feelings out, and perhaps it will help him move through whatever he is experiencing to a happier perspective. I certainly wish him well.
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ما قمت اشوف الشمس ولاقمت اشوف النور
How I see the sun rised and I do not see the light rised

حتى في هـذا الـيوم ما اشـوف خـلاّني
Even on the day how I see my loneliness
even on this day i dont see my friends

ما ادري مكاني وين لو هي السـنين تـدور
How I know my place وين as long as the years revolve
i dont know where my place is if the years are passing

ما ادري أنا في عـالـمي أو عـالمٍ ثـاني
How I know I'm in my world or the second world
i dont know if im in my world or in another world

يا هو غريب احساس ياهو غريب شعـور
Oh this strange sense oh this strange feeling

أعـيش بيـن الـناس .. لكـنـّـي وحـداني
I live between humans.. but I am alone

عشت اغرب الإحساس في مظلمات بحور
Lived the strange sense in dark contrast

واسمع صدى الأصوات إن ياك وان ياني
I hear the voice echoes verily oh you and verily oh me

نـاسٍ تـفــارق نـاس وكـلّ ٍ لـعـب في دور
Man abandons man and everything plays in circle

والـدرب لـي ودّاه ،، روّح ولا جـاني
And the path to me to love him, soul and not geanie (demon)
and the path that took him away..he left and did not come to me

قام هذا ينـسى ذاك وذاك عايـشٍ مغـرور
this one started forgeting and that live through arrogance

واخاف حتى الـروح .. الروح تـنساني
And I'm afraid over the soul .. The soul that forgets
and i'm scared even my soul.. my soul forgets me
من يومه العشرين خمسه وخمسه عـشور
From his day of 25 and 15

حـتى ظلام اللـيـل من جــوره يـعـانـي
That the night's darkness whose cruelty suffering me

طافـت عـليّ ايّـام وطافـت عـليّ شـهـور
Wandered through the day and wandered through the months
days have passed me by and months have passed me by

واحـتـارت الأيـّـام واحـتـار مـيــزانـي
And I honored the day and I honor my fairness

i tried my best to translate what i thought was not right most of the others i really did not know how to translate in english
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pls correct me if I'm wrong

In the lamia poem, I assume he said

وآنا احب الليالي واعشق اعشق ظلامي
I love my nights and I'm passionate with my darkness
وآنا ما قـمـت امـيّـز نـورها من ظــلام
And how I raised I honor her light from darkness
بـاحـتـرامٍ أجـيـها ورجـعـت بـاحـتــرامي
With honor أجـيـها and returned with my honor
وآنا أكـتب بـدمّـي إسمـها بـاحـتــرام
And I write with my blood her name with honor
قمت انادي إسمها وانسى كل الأسامي
Raised my equal match, her name I forget all names
واسمها في إسمها م الأسامي الكرام
And her name in her name the name of glory
لام ميـمٍ ويـاءٍ والألـف في الخـتـامـي
Lam and mim and ya and alif in my final seal


& I found this Lamia on Second Life
& another Lamia on Facebook
so many Lamia ha ha ha
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