Poetry of Sheikh Mohammed and Crown Prince Hamdan

[blauerengel]

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

???????Why a beautiful poem written by him to his mother is a rebellion against his father? I do not understand. Can someone explain to me????????

No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all.
He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

Seems like poor Hamdan was a little bit lovesick or heavily affected by hormones when he wrote those lines...

If I will die
I want that my eyes will close on your image
Because only like that I will rest in peace forever…..

If you write poetry, you will be always influenced by your hormones. Without these hormones no feelings incur, and with no inner feelings you can not write poems.

Love this lines above......

[blauerengel]

Oh,I know,it makes all girls go dreamy-eyed and say "whooo-he´s so romantic ..."
I liked such kind of poems when I was between 13 and 15,but now they seem too kitschy to me,but that´s only my personal opinion and I don´t mean to offend anyone:-)

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

Another love poem to a Muslim girl (and no,we don´t know her identitiy ;-) S.Hamdan wrote recited this poem in 2007

She wears a hijab so she is covered and he can’t see her........He asks the other women to help him find his true love.....

means: he is seeking a bride - but he hasn´t found someone......miskeen (poor Hamdan)! Since it is from 2007, well, there is hope ....

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all. He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.

Again ????? appear to me. It wasnt the first time, that his father married a other woman. There were several women on the side of his father and he has a number of half-siblings. I´m sure, never he will critisizing his father in this public form. Rather, he will accept the decisions of his father.

Without any outer circumstances (multiple marriages), the love by a son to his mother can be regarded as the first love of a man to a woman.

Originally Posted by blauerengel

Oh,I know,it makes all girls go dreamy-eyed and say "whooo-he´s so romantic ..."
I liked such kind of poems when I was between 13 and 15,but now they seem too kitschy to me,but that´s only my personal opinion and I don´t mean to offend anyone:-)

Is that so - do you think love poems are kitschy? Maybe we should write one for you, in the hope that change your attitude. There is nothing better than when a man put his love and passion into words.

[blauerengel]

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

Again ????? appear to me. It wasnt the first time, that his father married a other woman. There were several women on the side of his father and he has a number of half-siblings. I´m sure, never he will critisizing his father in this public form. Rather, he will accept the decisions of his father.

Without any outer circumstances (multiple marriages), the love by a son to his mother can be regarded as the first love of a man to a woman.

Well, poems are open to interpretations and everyone reads and understands them differently depending on cultural background,gender,your life story and education.So that´s just my way of seeing it but there´s no wrong or right in poetry.

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

Is that so - do you think love poems are kitschy? Maybe we should write one for you, then change your attitude. There is nothing better than when a man put his love and passion into words.

I believe in the West we are less ,I don´t know how to say it-well,we are more serious and less emotional in the public and we don´t talk or write so much about love.Doesn´t mean that we are not feeling anything or we are immune to romantic passions,but we don´t show it so openly as Arabs do.
Of course in a private circle ppl do share love letters,poems or little kitschy presents and weddings are always overly emotional (handkerchiefs for the ladies!)

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

I believe in the West we are less ,I don´t know how to say it-well,we are more serious and less emotional in the public and we don´t talk or write so much about love.Doesn´t mean that we are not feeling anything or we are immune to romantic passions,but we don´t show it so openly as Arabs do.
Of course in a private circle ppl do share love letters,poems or little kitschy presents and weddings are always overly emotional (handkerchiefs for the ladies!)

That is why it is always so cold and rainy in Europe .... I'm joking!
This short poem is written for you by me today. Maybe it will make your day warm and bright!:

My angel, your gentle wings graze my soul
and contributes me to a sun of passion,
in which I burn.
My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you
is my heartbeat.
My longing tearing me apart,
torturing everything in me until to the infinity,
without you, death is a gift.

Majid

[blauerengel]

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

That is why it is always so cold and rainy in Europe .... I'm joking!
This short poem is written for you by me today. Maybe it will make your day warm and bright!: Majid

-> this is not a joke,it´s true that in colder countries with less sun (Vitamin D!) people have more mental issues like depression and also more alcohol is consumed. If you live in a country with lots of rain and very little sunshine everyone gets a little bit melancholic.
But when you go to Spain,Italy or Greece you will see that they are much more happy & relaxed than on the continent,but they also have a weaker economy than Germany or UK.(I am sure that is co-related!Or if you go to South America,Brazil and Africa you see a lot of smiles and people dancing &celebrating life!) In Austria we have good food & lots of sweets to help us brighten up our mind and our winter is not that long as in Russia or Norway.

Thank you for your sweet poem,it´s lovely! I hope I don´t keep you away from work :-)
When I say a poem from Hamdan sounds too kitschy it might also be the translation,some words and expressions can´t be translated in another language properly.

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

-> this is not a joke,it´s true that in colder countries with less sun (Vitamin D!) people have more mental issues like depression and also more alcohol is consumed. If you live in a country with lots of rain and very little sunshine everyone gets a little bit melancholic.

Random hit by me!

Originally Posted by blauerengel

Thank you for your sweet poem,it´s lovely! I hope I don´t keep you away from work :-)
When I say a poem from Hamdan sounds too kitschy it might also be the translation,some words and expressions can´t be translated in another language properly.

Thanks God, you like it! Don´t worry. You don't keep me from something. It´s a pleasure for me and I like it to write poems. You are welcome!

So did your opinion about emotional poems changed a little? But I agree with you. Translations devour a part of the meaning.

[blauerengel]

Well,I am not completely ignorant to romantic songs and poems,but I find most of them rather exaggerated or chintzy.

Blaise Pascal said that there are reasons of the heart that the mind cannot comprehend,but in some cases romantic images/language are just used to sell.

For instance if you go to a market they will shout "beautiful woman,I give you good price" or in a clothes shop "oh,you look so great,it´s so cute" or as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" and I think to myself "Hey,what´s the matter with you"?

There is also a special genre of films that almost always have a very similiar plot,they are called "chick flicks",Katherine Heigl does a lot of such movies,I am sure your sister knows her ;-)
If you take Valentine´s day-it is a nice event and giving flowers is always nice,but it has become such a huge business!They are doing special offers and special editions for Valentine´s or Mother´s day and it is overly commercialised in my opinion.

(By the way-giving flowers on VD is not an invention of flower-shops,Valentin who gave his first name to that day married couples secretly and afterwards he gave them flowers from his own garden.That time the ruler believed that unmarried soldiers were better fighters and so marriage was not allowed for a lot of men.)

Back to poems:
I do like UA Fanthorpe,she is not very well-known but her poems are very delicate and thoughtful,her books are on sale & I´m sure also available in UAE libraries,here´s what Telegraph wrote in her obituary:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obit...Fanthorpe.html

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

For instance ...... as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" .......

Since I know now that you have blue eyes, I've modified my poem to you above.

Originally Posted by blauerengel

......but in some cases romantic images/language are just used to sell........For instance if you go to a market they will shout "beautiful woman,I give you good price" or in a clothes shop "oh,you look so great,it´s so cute" or as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" and I think to myself "Hey,what´s the matter with you"?

......giving flowers is always nice,but it has become such a huge business!They are doing special offers and special editions .........and it is overly commercialised in my opinion.

In the oasis of the heart is no place for the sale of love. If someone really loves you and it shows - for instance via poems -, this is wonderful.

Originally Posted by blauerengel

.........That time the ruler believed that unmarried soldiers were better fighters and so marriage was not allowed for a lot of men.)

The best soldier is the man who fights for his love........and such a battle can have many ways to reach the heaven of passion.

Originally Posted by blauerengel

Back to poems:
I do like UA Fanthorpe,she is not very well-known but her poems are very delicate and thoughtful,her books are on sale & I´m sure also available in UAE libraries,here´s what Telegraph wrote in her obituary:
UA Fanthorpe - Telegraph

Thanks for the tip. I will try it out.

[charlieprk]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all.
He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.

I've heard this said a lot, but wasn't Sheikha Hind the 2nd or 3rd wife of Sheikh Mohammed and he already had children when he married her? He also added new wives and had children with those women while he was having children with Sh. Hind. It seems that she would not be surprised by his behavior. That's why I don't understand the assumption that his marriage to Haya was so upsetting to her.

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

means: he is seeking a bride - but he hasn´t found someone......miskeen (poor Hamdan)! Since it is from 2007, well, there is hope ....

I imagine that being attractive, wealthy and well-known would make it difficult for Hamdan to find the "right one". There are many beautiful women throwing themselves at him because of his money and status. It's hard for many men to say no to these temptations. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? The problem is that when a nice girl does come along, she may not be so inclined to be involved in a relationship with a man who could be seen as a womanizer. Hamdan himself even wrote a poem where he said that he had "many roses in the bush". He also wrote a couple of poems about a woman that he loved who left him. Maybe this is the reason why....

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by charlieprk

I've heard this said a lot, but wasn't Sheikha Hind the 2nd or 3rd wife of Sheikh Mohammed and he already had children when he married her? He also added new wives and had children with those women while he was having children with Sh. Hind. It seems that she would not be surprised by his behavior. That is why I do not understand why the assumption that his marriage to Haya was so upsetting to her.

Well, Sheikh Mohammed had married several wives beside Sheikha Hind. However, before Sheikh Muhammeds marriage with the Jordanian princess, Haya was a public figure and Sheikh Mohammed could not hide this marriage from public eyes. So it wasn´t longer a private matter. That made the difference. All the other wifes of him - apart from Sheikha Hind and Princess Haya - are purely private marriages with ladies, who have no public significance in terms of a particular rank or special status with the exception of maternity for young Sheikh's or Sheikha's.

We do not know , whether the marriage with Princess Haya provoked consternations with Sheikha Hind or not. But as I know, Sheikh Hamdan hasn´t written this poem to his mother to heal her discomfort because of the new marriage of his father. But I could be wrong.

[blauerengel]

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

Since I know now that you have blue eyes, I've modified my poem to you above.

If you want to have an idea of the colour look at that cat,I only have a little bit more green in it:-)
Stahlblaue Augen - Image & Photo de mucki44 de Katzen - Photographie (23734510) | fotocommunity

But in the darkness of the night all cats are grey,so than the line would not make much sense anymore
->My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you

[Imanmajed]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

But in the darkness of the night all cats are grey,so than the line would not make much sense anymore
->My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you

Only the cats coats are gray but their eyes have something mysterious in the night. Maybe this is true with your eyes in the same way. I insist!

[blauerengel]

No,it´s a very common phrase/proverb that we use to say:-)
"During the night all cats are grey."
Means that during the night everything looks very similiar or another interpretation is that during the night because you can´t see it you can overlook little flaws.

[Imanmajed]

Arrrg, a "cold, neutral and emotionless European/Austrian view" about the night punish my passionate poem with contempt..... (pls don´t take it serious, I know there are a lot of differences between people with the same nationality and origin).

The Emirati point of view is: If you can not see anything, then that's the charm and the mystery, which brings you up to a inner quake of emotions.

Back to the topic: What do you think about the style of Sheikh Hamdans poetry? Do you like?

[blauerengel]

Well,there are not many poems available in English so I can´t say.I haven´t read enough of his writing that I would feel comfortable to give an opinion,but I do like the poem he wrote for Sheikha Hind.
The love poems...ahhem..I think you already know;-) They are not my cup of tea,but I believe most girls go crazy when they hear such poems and he has a beautiful way of reciting his poetry.

Originally Posted by Imanmajed

Arrrg, a cold "european view" about the night punish my passionate poem with contempt.....

I am afraid I have ruined your joy of writing poems in English,analyzing art makes it unattractive and boring & completely destroys its magical charm.

I think you misunderstand that proverb-for people who are not as attractive as Sheikh Hamdan or Aishwarya Rai, it means they can still snatch a good-looking,smart & nice partner-because in the dark of the night everything looks the same

[charlieprk]

Originally Posted by blauerengel

No,it´s a very common phrase/proverb that we use to say:-)
"During the night all cats are grey."
Means that during the night everything looks very similiar or another interpretation is that during the night because you can´t see it you can overlook little flaws.

That phrase always makes me laugh because they attribute it to Benjamin Franklin because of a letter he wrote to a young man regarding advice about sexual urges and marriage. His whole point was that it didn't matter if the woman he married was young, old, pretty or ugly because you can't see her in the dark anyways. It's not known whether he attempting to be humorous or not but the story always makes everyone laugh.

You can find an excerpt of the letter & the story here: Advice to a Friend on Choosing a Mistress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[blauerengel]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge,I didn´t know where that saying came from.
Anyway,it is sound advice: "His whole point was that it didn't matter if the woman he married was young, old, pretty or ugly because you can't see her in the dark anyways."

Haha,Benjamin Franklin had a very pragmatic view on life:-)