H.h Sheikha Hind Bint Maktoum Bin Jumaa Al Maktoum

[mariam]

United Arab Emirates: Wednesday, March 24 - 2004 at 15:20


H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum urges women to take on a more active role in business


At the Emirates Businesswoman Award workshop, held yesterday evening at the Dubai Municipality Club, H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, wife of H.H General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Defense Minister, spoke to the participants about the need to raise the profile of women in business in the UAE.

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Attendees at the workshop also heard the organizers - the women's working group of Dubai Municipality, Shell and Dubai Quality Group - highlight the objectives, criteria and entry guidelines of the Award.

The workshop was attended by Sheikha Hessa bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, Sheikha Amina Hamid Al Tayer, Director of Al Nahda Women's Group in Dubai, and Sheikha Mariam bint Hashar Al Maktoum as well as a number of other prominent personalities, including the wife of His Excellency Qasim Sultan Al Banna, General Manager, Dubai Municipality, women of the diplomatic corps, businesswomen and government sector employees.

The workshop began with a speech by the Award's patron, Sheikha Hind Bint Maktoum Bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, given on behalf of Her Highness by Mrs Raja Essa Al Gurg, Chairwoman, Emirates Businesswomen Council & President, Dubai Businesswomen Council.

'Women constitute 50 per cent of the population and represent 50 per cent of the intellect, creativity, enterprise and energy available to us,' said H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, wife of H.H General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Defense Minister. 'It is essential that we recognise and use this enormous resource to the full, across all facets of life in the UAE, not least in business.

'It is a great pleasure to address you on this occasion, at an event which can claim to be a true gathering of elite women's leaders, a group that has taken upon its shoulders the responsibility of empowering national talent and has worked hard to achieve excellence in both private sector business and the public sector

'This level of excellence would never have been achieved without the continuous support of our wise leadership, mainly H. H. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan the UAE president, and His brother H. H. Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the vice president, the head of the ministerial cabinet, and ruler of Dubai, as well as their brothers, the members of the Supreme Council, the rulers of the Emirates.

'We must feel proud of the pioneering role of Her Highness Sheikha Fatima bint Mubarak, the chairwomen of the Women Union. She has always been keen on promoting the status of the UAE woman to occupy leading positions in the country, as she deeply believes in her abilities and potentials. In addition we should appreciate the positive role of the various initiatives that have been adopted by public and private sector bodies, women's associations and professional societies. They are making great efforts to strengthen the woman's role in our nation's progress and development with the aim of enhancing self confidence among women and of opening up new horizons of active participation for women.'

She continued: 'Development cannot be realized in any country without an equal and a balanced contribution from women, as has been clearly stated in the noble teachings of our religion and the wise sayings of our prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. Our wise and generous leadership are guided by these principles.'

The Sheikha's speech urged women to continue to strive for more accomplishments while adapting to the changes that arise within the business environment.

Engineer Hawa Al Bastaki, Assistant Manager at the Department of Administrative Development, President of the Corporate Planning Section and Head of Women's Working team at Dubai Municipality stated: 'This generous patronage highlights the commitment of our wise government to support all efforts and initiatives that aim to enforce the status of women and to appreciate her effective role in our development march.

'The beginning of this progress was established by H. H. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, UAE President, and followed by H. H. Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President, Head of the Ministerial Cabinet, Ruler of Dubai, by H. H. Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum Deputy Ruler of Dubai, and H.H. General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum.

'Dubai Municipality has committed itself to adhere to these directions. As a result it has strengthened the basic principles of women's care by finding job opportunities and progress in all sectors and specializations. Moreover, Dubai Municipality has created the supporting ideal environment for women. Consequently, there are a large number of women in the workforce Dubai Municipality.'

She continued: 'The total number of women employees is 759 which form 13 per cent of the total number of the Municipality employees, where national women comprise 32 per cent of the total number of the total national work force. Dubai Municipality was a pioneer in forming a women's work team in 1999 under an administrative decree issued by the general manger of his Excellency Qasim Sultan Al Banna.

'Since its formation, the women's work team has been actively implementing its objectives. One of the reasons for us to host this event is to raise awareness of women's activities and to fulfill our vision of supporting the efforts of working women. In addition, we are also assuring her role in the development and progress of society, besides fulfilling her role towards her family. It has become clear that these elite qualified women actively participate in these objectives through performing the various tasks in Dubai Municipality.'

The evening carried on with the presentation of a video on the Emirates Businesswomen Award which reviews the achievements of the first Award launched in 2003.

'With the award, we wish to encourage women to participate in the economic development of our country and recognize women who can prove to be valuable role models,' said Najla Al-Midfa, Shell Markets Middle East: 'Shell is committed to making diversity and inclusiveness a cornerstone of how we do business around the world. One of the company's goals worldwide is to have at least 20 percent of women in senior executive positions by the year 2008.'

She continued: 'Entries will be assessed by a panel including representatives of both the public and private sectors according to a number of criteria such as style of leadership, future goals of the business, professional and career achievements as well as community participation. The 2004 Award will also have the added advantage of being a self-assessment tool for those applicants short-listed for the Award. They will be provided with advice on the steps they can take to further enhance their performance and capabilities for the future.'

The next speech was given by Mrs. Badriya Al Tamimi, Executive Director of the Dubai Quality Group, who explained the four criteria for selection. 'The first criterion involves leadership skills that include depth of management, adaptability, tenacity, productivity, creativity, and good human resource management. The second criterion revolves around Future Goals and Financial Performance. The third criterion focuses on professional and career achievements whereas the fourth is based on community contributions and participation.'

At the end of the Emirates Businesswoman Award Workshop, both Hawa Al Bastaki, Assistant Manager at the Department of Administrative Development, President of the Corporate Planning Section and Head of Women's Working team at Dubai Municipality and Najla Al Midfa from Shell Markets Middle East presented an award to H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum
The 2004 Award follows the success of the first Emirates Businesswomen Award in 2003. The last date for submitting entries is 7th April, culminating in a presentation ceremony in Dubai in May. The Award is supported by United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the Emirates Businesswomen's Council.

[Aneca]

Does anyone have a picture of her? Can't seem to find any...

[r a i n]

She does not get photographed. This is the case with most of the Gulf Royalty.

[silver charm]

There are published photos of her-she's usually in the background behind her husband. She is never photographed in Europe or European clothing (as far as I know). I keep trying to find the photo that I know of-it was during the Sheikh Zayed Love Parade but I can't seem to find it. Someone on the forum from the Emirates might have an old copy of Khaleej Times or Gulf News and can find it.

[Guess Who]

She has never ever been photographed not even in arabic newspspers, and she is never at any functions with her husband. She also does not go to mixed functions unless they are only for females.

[Ipi Tombe]

GW:

I swear to you that she was photographed behind Mo at the ShkZayed thing. The photograph is from the beginning of the parade and the cars are being waved off. She is standing to his left (to the right if you are looking at the photo) about 3 ft away from him. Her and her husband are looking in opposite directions. The only reason I remember it so vividly is that it was actually her!!

And.....

She is the beautiful woman who is in the portraits that are being framed at my local picture framers.

Originally Posted by Guess Who

She has never ever been photographed not even in arabic newspspers, and she is never at any functions with her husband. She also does not go to mixed functions unless they are only for females.

[Ipi Tombe]

In this article it states TWICE that Hind is Mo's wife. But everyone in the emirates knows who Mo's wife is-anyways. AND she is titled by birth. Her father was a sheikh so she is a sheikha.

So...

Why does Madame Haya never get the honoroable 'wife of Mo-ness' claim after her name in the Gulfnews?

People keep replying to this question saying 'it is because Haya is a Princess so she doesn't need to be explained'. But that is a load of crap. Hind is a sheikha AND Emirati royalty-she doesn't need to be explained IN HER OWN COUNTRY. Haya is just some expat who married a local.

Why doesn't Haya get the 'wife of Mo' treatment????

And I am fully aware that the editor of the Gulfnews is a close friend of Mo. So if Mo wanted Haya to get the 'wife of Mo' claim-she would get it. But she doesn't. This is not about respecting Haya's name and not giving her a local one-that is against the local culture anyways. Because Hind never changed her name just when it is printed it is: Shka Hind, wife of General Mo. Haya is always: PHaya, half sister to KA (or daughter of KH). So you see, PHaya could be PHaya, wife of General Mo. But she isn't. In print, at least.

Originally Posted by mariam

United Arab Emirates: Wednesday, March 24 - 2004 at 15:20


H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum urges women to take on a more active role in business


At the Emirates Businesswoman Award workshop, held yesterday evening at the Dubai Municipality Club, H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, wife of H.H General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Defense Minister, spoke to the participants about the need to raise the profile of women in business in the UAE.

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Attendees at the workshop also heard the organizers - the women's working group of Dubai Municipality, Shell and Dubai Quality Group - highlight the objectives, criteria and entry guidelines of the Award.

The workshop was attended by Sheikha Hessa bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, Sheikha Amina Hamid Al Tayer, Director of Al Nahda Women's Group in Dubai, and Sheikha Mariam bint Hashar Al Maktoum as well as a number of other prominent personalities, including the wife of His Excellency Qasim Sultan Al Banna, General Manager, Dubai Municipality, women of the diplomatic corps, businesswomen and government sector employees.

The workshop began with a speech by the Award's patron, Sheikha Hind Bint Maktoum Bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, given on behalf of Her Highness by Mrs Raja Essa Al Gurg, Chairwoman, Emirates Businesswomen Council & President, Dubai Businesswomen Council.

'Women constitute 50 per cent of the population and represent 50 per cent of the intellect, creativity, enterprise and energy available to us,' said H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum, wife of H.H General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Defense Minister. 'It is essential that we recognise and use this enormous resource to the full, across all facets of life in the UAE, not least in business.

'It is a great pleasure to address you on this occasion, at an event which can claim to be a true gathering of elite women's leaders, a group that has taken upon its shoulders the responsibility of empowering national talent and has worked hard to achieve excellence in both private sector business and the public sector

'This level of excellence would never have been achieved without the continuous support of our wise leadership, mainly H. H. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan the UAE president, and His brother H. H. Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid Al Maktoum, the vice president, the head of the ministerial cabinet, and ruler of Dubai, as well as their brothers, the members of the Supreme Council, the rulers of the Emirates.

'We must feel proud of the pioneering role of Her Highness Sheikha Fatima bint Mubarak, the chairwomen of the Women Union. She has always been keen on promoting the status of the UAE woman to occupy leading positions in the country, as she deeply believes in her abilities and potentials. In addition we should appreciate the positive role of the various initiatives that have been adopted by public and private sector bodies, women's associations and professional societies. They are making great efforts to strengthen the woman's role in our nation's progress and development with the aim of enhancing self confidence among women and of opening up new horizons of active participation for women.'

She continued: 'Development cannot be realized in any country without an equal and a balanced contribution from women, as has been clearly stated in the noble teachings of our religion and the wise sayings of our prophet Mohammed peace be upon him. Our wise and generous leadership are guided by these principles.'

The Sheikha's speech urged women to continue to strive for more accomplishments while adapting to the changes that arise within the business environment.

Engineer Hawa Al Bastaki, Assistant Manager at the Department of Administrative Development, President of the Corporate Planning Section and Head of Women's Working team at Dubai Municipality stated: 'This generous patronage highlights the commitment of our wise government to support all efforts and initiatives that aim to enforce the status of women and to appreciate her effective role in our development march.

'The beginning of this progress was established by H. H. Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, UAE President, and followed by H. H. Sheikh Maktoum bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President, Head of the Ministerial Cabinet, Ruler of Dubai, by H. H. Sheikh Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum Deputy Ruler of Dubai, and H.H. General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum.

'Dubai Municipality has committed itself to adhere to these directions. As a result it has strengthened the basic principles of women's care by finding job opportunities and progress in all sectors and specializations. Moreover, Dubai Municipality has created the supporting ideal environment for women. Consequently, there are a large number of women in the workforce Dubai Municipality.'

She continued: 'The total number of women employees is 759 which form 13 per cent of the total number of the Municipality employees, where national women comprise 32 per cent of the total number of the total national work force. Dubai Municipality was a pioneer in forming a women's work team in 1999 under an administrative decree issued by the general manger of his Excellency Qasim Sultan Al Banna.

'Since its formation, the women's work team has been actively implementing its objectives. One of the reasons for us to host this event is to raise awareness of women's activities and to fulfill our vision of supporting the efforts of working women. In addition, we are also assuring her role in the development and progress of society, besides fulfilling her role towards her family. It has become clear that these elite qualified women actively participate in these objectives through performing the various tasks in Dubai Municipality.'

The evening carried on with the presentation of a video on the Emirates Businesswomen Award which reviews the achievements of the first Award launched in 2003.

'With the award, we wish to encourage women to participate in the economic development of our country and recognize women who can prove to be valuable role models,' said Najla Al-Midfa, Shell Markets Middle East: 'Shell is committed to making diversity and inclusiveness a cornerstone of how we do business around the world. One of the company's goals worldwide is to have at least 20 percent of women in senior executive positions by the year 2008.'

She continued: 'Entries will be assessed by a panel including representatives of both the public and private sectors according to a number of criteria such as style of leadership, future goals of the business, professional and career achievements as well as community participation. The 2004 Award will also have the added advantage of being a self-assessment tool for those applicants short-listed for the Award. They will be provided with advice on the steps they can take to further enhance their performance and capabilities for the future.'

The next speech was given by Mrs. Badriya Al Tamimi, Executive Director of the Dubai Quality Group, who explained the four criteria for selection. 'The first criterion involves leadership skills that include depth of management, adaptability, tenacity, productivity, creativity, and good human resource management. The second criterion revolves around Future Goals and Financial Performance. The third criterion focuses on professional and career achievements whereas the fourth is based on community contributions and participation.'

At the end of the Emirates Businesswoman Award Workshop, both Hawa Al Bastaki, Assistant Manager at the Department of Administrative Development, President of the Corporate Planning Section and Head of Women's Working team at Dubai Municipality and Najla Al Midfa from Shell Markets Middle East presented an award to H.H Sheikha Hind bint Maktoum bin Jumaa Al Maktoum
The 2004 Award follows the success of the first Emirates Businesswomen Award in 2003. The last date for submitting entries is 7th April, culminating in a presentation ceremony in Dubai in May. The Award is supported by United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the Emirates Businesswomen's Council.

[QueenB]

What you say is true.... who knows, maybe Mo's waiting until after the lavish marriage celebration to start touting her as his wife in print throughout Dubai..... in international news it's usually mentioned Haya is Mo's wife, though....

Originally Posted by Ipi Tombe

In this article it states TWICE that Hind is Mo's wife. But everyone in the emirates knows who Mo's wife is-anyways. AND she is titled by birth. Her father was a sheikh so she is a sheikha.

So...

Why does Madame Haya never get the honoroable 'wife of Mo-ness' claim after her name in the Gulfnews?

People keep replying to this question saying 'it is because Haya is a Princess so she doesn't need to be explained'. But that is a load of crap. Hind is a sheikha AND Emirati royalty-she doesn't need to be explained IN HER OWN COUNTRY. Haya is just some expat who married a local.

Why doesn't Haya get the 'wife of Mo' treatment????

And I am fully aware that the editor of the Gulfnews is a close friend of Mo. So if Mo wanted Haya to get the 'wife of Mo' claim-she would get it. But she doesn't. This is not about respecting Haya's name and not giving her a local one-that is against the local culture anyways. Because Hind never changed her name just when it is printed it is: Shka Hind, wife of General Mo. Haya is always: PHaya, half sister to KA (or daughter of KH). So you see, PHaya could be PHaya, wife of General Mo. But she isn't. In print, at least.

[Ipi Tombe]

I agree with the international media observation. But Mo does not have control over intl media. He does have control over local media. Making the question relevant.

Also, any word on what Haya is going to do with her life post-Walimah? If she is his first and official-will she start taking on official engagements in DXB?

What about Hind? Will she fade to the background? Will the events and charities she is interested be overtaken by PHaya?

Originally Posted by QueenB

What you say is true.... who knows, maybe Mo's waiting until after the lavish marriage celebration to start touting her as his wife in print throughout Dubai..... in international news it's usually mentioned Haya is Mo's wife, though....

[QueenB]

Sorry, what I meant to say was... What you say is true... period....
And who knows why she isn't mentioned - perhaps Mo is waiting until after the celebration.....
It is a relevant question....... Mo's always got some twisted reasoning behind what he does.... still - it's distasteful whenever they are arm in arm - it just seems wrong somehow...... no matter how many times it is mentioned they are husband and wife.......
I hope Hind doesn't fade into the background.... she's so actively involved in Dubai charity organizations now - she's been working on them all these years, Haya has no business getting into Hind's affairs unless Hind asks for her assistance..... that's my opinion....
I do think she will take a more prominent international role, more so than she is now...

Originally Posted by Ipi Tombe

I agree with the international media observation. But Mo does not have control over intl media. He does have control over local media. Making the question relevant.

Also, any word on what Haya is going to do with her life post-Walimah? If she is his first and official-will she start taking on official engagements in DXB?

What about Hind? Will she fade to the background? Will the events and charities she is interested be overtaken by PHaya?

[Ipi Tombe]

the reason it seems so wrong is that they seem so uncomfortable.

my happy go lucky mo has turned into a very sad, dispondent looking shell of his former self. i pity him more and more every day.

Originally Posted by QueenB

it's distasteful whenever they are arm in arm - it just seems wrong somehow...... no matter how many times it is mentioned they are husband and wife.......
...

[Guess Who]

Hi silver charm..
I just read the article and to be honest, SHk Hind has always had a role in different things is DxB and she will still do. I think Haya wont get any kind of roles like Shk Hind, because haya isnt been excepted by the ppl in the UAE and I dont think she will. So i think the only official duties for haya will be along Mo. Hind isnt ready to give up any of her duties fro haya, and if she does it will be given to one of Mos sisters or children.

[Ipi Tombe]

GW:

Thanks for the response.

Sometimes when a person (especially a woman) is challenged-she becomes even more than what the woman herself ever thought is possible. You know, 'succeed under pressure'. In my fairy tale view of the world, this is what will happen with Hind. She will become a 'super' woman of sorts working for her charities and events and outshining that uppity troll....

Regarding Haya's acceptance, I have heard from various people that the whole city is kinda sickened and grossed out by this whole affair but once Mo comes home from holiday-won't he say 'enough with this crabbing-it is Haya or else!' You know how Mo is. He doesn't take criticism and disapproval well.

Once again-thanks for the response.

Originally Posted by Guess Who

Hi silver charm..
I just read the article and to be honest, SHk Hind has always had a role in different things is DxB and she will still do. I think Haya wont get any kind of roles like Shk Hind, because haya isnt been excepted by the ppl in the UAE and I dont think she will. So i think the only official duties for haya will be along Mo. Hind isnt ready to give up any of her duties fro haya, and if she does it will be given to one of Mos sisters or children.

[sommone]

I think some of you ladies have forgotten that Mo chose to marry Haya...She didn't hijack the man at gun point, and force him to marry her...LOL. You constantly complain about what Haya has done, but what about Mo? I mean does anyone really know how Shka Hind feels about her husband marrying a third wife? Does it not take two in order for a marriage or any relationship to exist? Besides, as some of you have put it, Mo has married and divorced before well before Haya came along. Although, I do feel sorry for what Shka Hind must be going through, I wonder if any of his other companions, or wives have suffered the same whispers that Haya endures? Also, has there been a official statement saying that Mo has divorced Hind other than the "first wife" statement, or is it just speculation that he has.

[Ipi Tombe]

sommone, sommone, sommone.....

you oooobbbbbbviously have NOT been following this saga if you think it takes two for a relationship. in the case of Mo it always takes 3 sometimes 4.

also as far as I know Mo and Hind are still married. (all hell would definately break loose in dxb if it was otherwise). it is just that hind has been demoted from general of the wives (first and official) to pfc. whereas haya has been promoted from pfc to general. he has not divorced anyone-just shuffled the deck.

also the comment about other wives-their profile was so low no one knew who they were and the whisper that Mo might have a wife #2 was usually brushed aside as cruel rumormongering by people 'in the know'. they were for all reasonable purposes legalized concubines.

that is the difference with Haya. she is not being tossed to the back for the superstar Hind. Hind is being tossed to the back for Haya. and yet the people of the emirates love, love, LOVE Hind. haya, well...she doesn't have much going for her in the eyes of women of the emirates.

let us not forget, that daily the women of the emirates struggle for the right to attain an education (much less the hallowed 'foreign education'), the right to work without their family having fits and essentially the right to find their own path in this world. haya was handed all that on a silver platter and she has done nothing with it. the fact she is a princess doesn't stand for much. one quarter of the emirati population is royalty. also haya does not portray the 'good muslim' image that every local woman in the emirates must portray or risk bringing scandal & ridicule on their family. furthermore, Mo is a local folkhero. Everyone loves the guy. But his new 'first and official' wife exemplifies everything that so many in the emirates want but can't have and would never do because it is against their better sensibilities. i can't think of any one emirati woman i met that would openly say she lived with her husband before marriage. oh goodness, noooooo.... they might admit having dinner with their fiance in a public restaurant but even that would raise eyebrows.

You might say 'maybe Haya will be able to help modernize the UAE'. But how? She hasn't done much in her own country. She hasn't done much, period. The goals and desires of the average Emirati woman are considerably more lofty than marrying rich and having some pretty ponies to play with.

[sommone]

Very funny Ipi...it takes three or four for Mo...I must have misunderstood. I thought I read somewhere he divorced her. So no one was mad at the other wives/companions just Haya because she has been "promoted", oh and displayed for all of the world to see. Hmm. Ok then. Someone needs to tell Dubai to get over it. (The marriage) Has there been any whispers about Haya and Hind's relationship with one another? Do they talk? Are they cordial? Or does Shka Hind dispise Haya like many of you? Too much whispering going on, and that is the problem.

[Ipi Tombe]

'guess who' would probably know more but the only thing i have heard about haya and hind's relationship is that mo brought haya to dinner with hind and sold haya as a possible match for one of the boys. hind was quite pleased with this idea. but.....it has been debated on here that there is NO WAY that any of mo's boys would take haya as a wife. so i seriously doubt any of this is is true besides the 'mo's boys refusing haya'. haya is not their kind of girl.

[sommone]

I'm almost afraid to ask just what kind of girls do the Maktoum men like...the young men that is? I don't know if it is true, but if I was Haya, there is no way in hades Mo would be passing me off as a potential bride for one of his sons...Now don't get me wrong, I have seen the older Maktoum men...I won't call them boys, and well they are attractive, especially Hamdan, but looks aren't everything. What else do these Maktoum men, the older two have going for them besides their looks and wealth? I would have gotten up and straight walked up out there. If what you say is true, that is very disrespectful to her, and to Shka Hind.

[Ipi Tombe]

that is the point. i seriously doubt this happened but if it did-it wouldn't suprise me. i can see mo playing up to hind saying all kinds of flowery things about haya and the possiblity of the boys and then mo playing up to haya saying all kinds of flowery things about hind and sitting between them both at dinner refereeing everything. in other words-neither one of the ladies knew what was going on. but mo sure did and he was going to make doubly sure his goodies (from both ladies) were protected.

however, i seriously doubt this mystery dinner has ever taken place.

[sommone]

Once again, we are on the same wave length...imagine that because I don't believe the "dinner" happened either.