Prinsjesdag 2013-2022

[Marengo]

For some reason Princess Margriet prefers to skip the event all together. I do not think she appeared at the cabinet since 2013. Princess Christina often accompanied her mother Princess Juliana during Prinsjesdag, until she moved abroad again.

The reporter noted that in only 5 years Princess Amalia will start to accompany her parents.

 

[Marengo]

The longer the golden coach stays in repair the better. I am sure it will become the focus point of protests when it will start being used again.

 

[iceflower]

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Horses and riders of tomorrow's parade had to undergo a stress test at the beach of Scheveningen today, September 17:


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[Marengo]

The carriage ride and the speech from the throne can be followed live on NPO1. The broadcast will start at 12:25 GMT+1:
https://www.npostart.nl/live/npo-1

The liveblog of the NPO has a clip about the golden carriage. The German goldsmith explains that gold is cleaned with a mix of water and ... beer. A lady in charge of the restauration of the textile says that it is inevitable that the carriage will be retired to a museum on the long run, as textile is a fleeting material that gets damaged every time the carriage is used.
https://nos.nl/liveblog/2250924-prinsjesdag-oranjefans-in-de-rij-en-drukte-bij-de-kapsalon.html

In 2020 the extensive renovation of the Inner court will start. Apparently the Hall of Knights will also be renovated and the speech will need to be held at another location. The renovation is planned to take 5 1/2 years. I thought the Hall was restored not too long ago, but apparently there is more that needs to be done.

I wonder what other location wil be used. Perhaps one of the churches of The Hague? The gothic hall of Kneuterdijk palace would be ideal, but it must be far too small. I can't think what other places are large & historic enough.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

The carriage ride and the speech from the throne can be followed live on NPO1. The broadcast will start at 12:25 GMT+1:
https://www.npostart.nl/live/npo-1

The liveblog of the NPO has a clip about the golden carriage. The German goldsmith explains that gold is cleaned with a mix of water and ... beer. A lady in charge of the restauration of the textile says that it is inevitable that the carriage will be retired to a museum on the long run, as textile is a fleeting material that gets damaged every time the carriage is used.
https://nos.nl/liveblog/2250924-prinsjesdag-oranjefans-in-de-rij-en-drukte-bij-de-kapsalon.html

In 2020 the extensive renovation of the Inner court will start. Apparently the Hall of Knights will also be renovated and the speech will need to be held at another location. The renovation is planned to take 5 1/2 years. I thought the Hall was restored not too long ago, but apparently there is more that needs to be done.

I wonder what other location wil be used. Perhaps one of the churches of The Hague? The gothic hall of Kneuterdijk palace would be ideal, but it must be far too small. I can't think what other places are large & historic enough.

De Great (or Saint James') Church in The Hague will be used as an alternative, I thought. It is no longer used as a religous building.

Picture (diner in the high choir): https://grotekerkdenhaag.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Diner-Hoogkoor-2.jpg

 

[Marengo]

Thanks Duc. It is indeed used for events. Back in the days I worked there during a fashion week sponsored by Mercedes Benz, which seemed like sacrilege but well... Lots of churches are even used for parties, so people are literally dancing on graves.

Each morning of Prinsjesdag there is a service by several religious and humanist organizations. Also this morning:

https://www.prinsjesdagviering.nl/

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I hope the day will go well. The State has a Budget surplus, all eonomic indicaticators are on green and the weather is very sunny. Nothing to prevent a happy Prinsjesdag.

But there is controverse around the royal hunt on the Crown Domains and possibly animal right activists will protest against the King using his centuries old royal privilège to hunt on the Crown Domains.

 

[Marengo]

Perhaps we can expect Marianne Thieme (Party for the Animals) with of her 'creative' hats this year focussed on the royal hunt.

Unsurprisingly the PvdD is not familiar under which conditions the estate was handed over to the state by Princess Wilhelmina in 1959. The court speaks of fauna management instead of hunt these days.
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Apparently the "radical republican" who threw a tealight holder onto the golden carriage in 2010 has gone missing from the TBS clinic in Utrecht where he is being treated. The police has done several house searches but they are unable to find him. The police in The Hague is extra alert.

https://www.ad.nl/dossier-prinsjesd...lichtgooier-terug-is-in-tbs-kliniek~afb8df0b/

 

[iceflower]

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Here are some first photos and videos - wonderful to see the Queen's mother and brother attending!



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** gettyimages/zimbio gallery: Dutch Royal family Attends The Parliamental Year Prinsjesdag Opening In The Hague **


** dailymail: Anything the British royals can do! Dutch royals match our monarchy for pomp and ceremony as the King and Queen..**

 

[Marengo]

Wonderful indeed. It seems they are sitting between the camera's on the courtyard of the palace. The lady next to Mrs. Zorreguieta is Pien van Karnebeek, lady-in-waiting of the queen. Mrs. Zorreguieta is wearing an old Prada dress of her daughter (per modekoninginmaxima) They did not join Pss Beatrix, who is again in the Cabinet of the King on the Korte Vijverberg.

The glass carriage is pulled by 8 Frisian horses, one of which is called 'Wodka'.

The queen is wearing a big hat. Her hair seems to be a mess, perhaps due to the strong wind. The draped mousseline dress seems to have different pastel colours. The sleeves have the same colour as the upholstery of the carriage. She is wearing her modern earrings her diamond bow brooch. Pss Laurentien is wearing aquamarine earrings and the crescent brooch. Prince Constantijn now has a beard.

Grand masters of the courts of Spain, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are in the Hall of Knights to get an impression how the opening of parlament is arranged here.

The King's diction of the speech was good & much improved.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Well the news is that for the fourth year in a row there is a Budget Surplus, that the National Debt is under 50% of the GNP, that the unemployment reaches record lows, that the taxes go down and that the Netherlands remain a beacon of solvability, prudence and concord in an ever more engaging world.

 

[suztav]

Love Maxima's hat and the "idea" behind the hair. Unfortunately, those sleeves derail any chance for the dress being a success.

As for Laurentien, it looks as if she borrowed a gown from Beatrix's closet.

 

[wartenberg7]

I think on the balcony the King and Queen should be positioned right in the middle with Constantijn next to Maxima and Laurentien next to the King!

 

[princess gertrude]

Best dressed of the day.....Prince Constantijn! Love the beard!

 

[An Ard Ri]

I never knew about the Multi faith /Humanist Service and lovely to see members of the queens family present and watching with pride.

 

[wartenberg7]

Best dressed of the day.....Prince Constantijn! Love the beard!

Absolutely agree about the beard! He, like almost every man, looks so much better with it!
His wife´ s clothes...? Oh well, never seen anything really nice on her...!

 

[JR76]

Grand masters of the courts of Spain, Belgium, Britain, Denmark, Norway and Sweden are in the Hall of Knights to get an impression how the opening of parlament is arranged here.

We've heard before that there are meetings between the different courts but I've never seen it actually happen. Fingers crossed the Swedish Grand Marshall manages to make the Swedish Opening of Parliament a bit more exciting (although I doubt that the court has much influence in that matter)[emoji849]

 

[An Ard Ri]

Spain,the Netherlands and UK do it very well,I didn't know that the Belgians even had such an a event.

Norway,Sweden and Denmark look like they're going to a Church Service

 

[Stefan]

Spain,the Netherlands and UK do it very well,I didn't know that the Belgians even had such an a event.

Norway,Sweden and Denmark look like they're going to a Church Service

Norway is also quiet formell with the King and Crownj Prince in Uniform and the Collar of the Order of St. Olav. But in Spain how often is there one? Don't think every year. And as far as i remember not much formell. Don't think is a Opening of the Parliamernt in Belgium and Luxemburg.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I think the Grandmasters or Court Marshalls maybe look to the planning, the proceedings, the organization, the uniform depôts, the working of the Royal Mews, whatever.

 

[JR76]

Spain,the Netherlands and UK do it very well,I didn't know that the Belgians even had such an a event.

Norway,Sweden and Denmark look like they're going to a Church Service

The Swedes are going to church. The Opening of Parliament starts out with a church service.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Norway is also quiet formell with the King and Crownj Prince in Uniform and the Collar of the Order of St. Olav. But in Spain how often is there one? Don't think every year. And as far as i remember not much formell. Don't think is a Opening of the Parliamernt in Belgium and Luxemburg.

Sorry didn't mean to include Norway in my original post .

The State Opening of the Spanish Cortes opens takes place after every General election I believe (every 4 years or there abouts).

The King and Royal Family arrive with a mounted escorted ,no carriages sadly used.

https://goo.gl/images/YLZFVn

 

[wartenberg7]

Spain,the Netherlands and UK do it very well,I didn't know that the Belgians even had such an a event.

Norway,Sweden and Denmark look like they're going to a Church Service

Well, at least King Harald reads the speech from what I would call a real pompous royal throne out of the fairy books.

The swedish opening is, apart from the carriage ride (only a handful of spectators watching...the royal party driving through Stockholm almost virtually unnoticed...), quite a bore, while at the danish one you could ask yourself, why the royal family attends at all, having no function, except looking!...

 

[wartenberg7]

The carriage ride and the speech from the throne can be followed live on NPO1. The broadcast will start at 12:25 GMT+1:
https://www.npostart.nl/live/npo-1

The liveblog of the NPO has a clip about the golden carriage. The German goldsmith explains that gold is cleaned with a mix of water and ... beer. A lady in charge of the restauration of the textile says that it is inevitable that the carriage will be retired to a museum on the long run, as textile is a fleeting material that gets damaged every time the carriage is used.
https://nos.nl/liveblog/2250924-prinsjesdag-oranjefans-in-de-rij-en-drukte-bij-de-kapsalon.html

That would be a great shame, and I don´t quite understand why as the english golden coach is more than twice as old...?!

 

[wartenberg7]

It didn't stop the Prince,no,indeed,but he's the Monarch now ,..happened little over 3 years ago...and as such represents the whole Nation,and a Monarch doesn't enter Parliament in Military adoo,never.?

You mean, never in the Netherlands?! In Norway the monarch does enter parliament in uniform and in Spain, too. In Britain the royal princes always enter parliament in uniform, and I am convinced when Charles would be King one day he will still be opening parliament in uniform like all his male ancestors did for the last 117 years!

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

That would be a great shame, and I don´t quite understand why as the english golden coach is more than twice as old...?!

It has to do with the "colonial" painting on one of the side panels, in which people from the East and the West Netherlands Indies bring homage to a female allegoric figure, embodying the Motherland. According a small but vocal anti-racism group this is a depiction of slavery and therefore they protest against the use of this Golden State Coach. I do not rule out that the carriage will become a museal piece because of this.

Picture: https://historiek.net/wp-content/uploads-phistor1/2015/09/koets-e1441535762440-1024x521.jpg

 

[wartenberg7]

The complete live programme from the dutch television:

https://www.npostart.nl/nos-prinsjesdag-2018/18-09-2018/POW_03923721

 

[wartenberg7]

It has to do with the "colonial" painting on one of the side panels, in which people from the East and the West Netherlands Indies bring homage to a female allegoric figure, embodying the Motherland. According a small but vocal anti-racism group this is a depiction of slavery and therefore they protest against the use of this Golden State Coach. I do not rule out that the carriage will become a museal piece because of this.

Picture: https://historiek.net/wp-content/uploads-phistor1/2015/09/koets-e1441535762440-1024x521.jpg

No. This was what it was about:

"A lady in charge of the restauration of the textile says that it is inevitable that the carriage will be retired to a museum on the long run, as textile is a fleeting material that gets damaged every time the carriage is used."

 

[Marengo]

;previous:

That was commented on television indeed and seemed to be the personal opinion of the restorator. But she added "on the long run". The Dutch carriage is used much more frequently than the British one. The latter has been used 3 (?) times in the last 66 years perhaps?

The other issue is indeed the side panels, which has been a matter of debate for some years now. Indeed of a small but vocal group. The restoration silenced the debate for now, but the discussion will likely flare up once the restoration has finished.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Maybe I missed it but what coach did Prince Constantijn and Princess Laurentien travel in?

Thankfully the Dutch still use pomp and majesty for these ceremonies if it was Belgium they'd all arrive in a people carrier!