Prinsjesdag 2009 - Page 4

**Marengo** · #61 10-08-2009, 11:32 AM

Apparently the Labour Party, the Socialist Party and the PVV (fascist party) urge the government to cut back on the budget of the RF. Interestingly enough Labour is in government at the moment.

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Other parties are worried about the image of the RF and how to restaure it (something the court seems totally ignorant about). The Liberal party spoke about blunders (by the PM?) and said that the prime minister wasn't always informed correctly by members of the royal house. The socialist party wants the prime minister to play a firmer role.

During the debate the SP started about a 'Swedish model' for the dutch monarchy (HM is not a member of the government), which the government parties did not want to discuss. Around 10 years ago there was an extensive debate about this in the press and parliament about the matter, fueled by the Social-Liberals (D66).

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And a clip in Dutch, about the fact that the irritation with the crown prince is growing among members of the government:
http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuw...kroonprins.xml

ahtikavalentine · #62 10-08-2009, 12:31 PM

What is the 'Swedish mode'?

Princejohnny25 · #63 10-08-2009, 01:24 PM

There seems to be some major communication problems between the Court, the PM, and Parliament. I agree with Marengo, the PoO is a grown and intelligent man. He should know when to stop and what is appropriate. The PM has far more pressing matters, such as the economy and so on, then to breathe down the royal familys back. They really need to sort this out soon, I quite like the Dutch system of monarchy and think it would be a shame to go to the Swedish Model. Plus, doesnt the DutchRF have a considerable private fortune? They shouldnt have the goverment pay for their personal trips and such.

The Swedish Model, Im assuming, means that the Monarch has no interaction with Parliament or the PM at all. In Britian, Holland, and etc, the Monarch meets with the PM reguarly, reads the Speech from the Throne, Signs all bills into law, and etc. Sweden doesnt do any of that.

Jacknch · #64 10-08-2009, 01:24 PM

I'm not sure about the "Swedish Mode" but from my own personal point of view the "Netherlands Mode" and style of monarchy is faultless and rather excellent. It most certainly does not need changing! If ever the "British Mode" was changed, I'd be more than happy with the Netherland's style here in the UK!

I really have no idea why any of the political parties or their members should feel that it is within their remit to make any critisism of the Royal Family whatsoever. These elected individuals are a brief (and a not usually worthwhile) part of the country's history and as such, they should know their place. The Royal Family, on the other hand are living history itself and, costly or not, their worth is far greater than a nasty little MP out to make himself bigger (some hope) at the expense of everyone else.

lucien · #65 10-08-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

I am sure Lucien or Susan Alicia (or other Dutch posters) will share the information.

But I am going to go out on a limb and say that AP lawsuit didn't win him any fans.

You're limping elegantly,but no,it didn't have to do with the AP lawsuit.
That is nothing and long forgotten already.

It's about the upheavel over the project in Mozambique.The Prince and Princess have issued a statement today,read out by the PM in Parliament today that they will remain involved in the Mozambique project and for all the reasons they started being involved in the first place,privacy,their love for Africa and the chance to develop and help the locals.I have no reason not to believe them in that,nor their love for Africa,and the project and what it stands for in their best expectations and motivations.

A parliament discussing this as well as other matters concerning the Monarchy,ao,the costs of flying by the RF and that they should for that themselves.Really,it is a first since decades and would not have been necessary at all had the PM done his work better as he should have.It is in the Constitution that he is responsible for the Royal House.These matters are for discussions within the Palace walls as they always have been and ONLY there.That is part of his task and he fails totally in this,as in many other matters,whatever the RF does,HE is responsible and should take responsibility at all times,THAT is within the borders of his function and all,the RF and we,should rely on that.At present no-one can due to his bad performance.

Really to deal with people and simplex gigantica that say it would be good for the RF to sell some of their palaces while we're all in crisis and all that nonsense,as first they do not own any of the palaces and second,crisis?here?A HYPE of sorts,most dutch don't feel the first thing of a crisis,most dutch still fly out and about with ease 2 to 3 times a year but complaining is a second nature to many people and because of that alone I reject and ignore that totally.The crisis has not hit the Netherlands to the extent it did in other parts of the world where the greed bubble burst first.Giving in to the hypes of the vox populi does more harm then anything else and I for one won't have it.

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As if a president and his entourage would fly while standing in line with their creditcard...NO,ofcourse not,but hey it's winter and there's nothing else going on worthwhile in the Netherlands let alone the world today,so why not bash the RF?It is that,and again that joker PM made it a poor performance while dealing with a parliament that is partially,the larger chunck at least,absolutely ignorant on the how and what of the Monarchy due to their own interest of riding the waves of what the vox populi wishes for so they be voted for again,to be forgotten again day after tomorrow.It has been like that since the dawn of mankind,and it isn't different now.A new sort of give 'm bread and games.I have absolutely nothing with that and refuse to go in to nonsense while all others do,I am not all others,never was,and I am no way part of a caddle either.

Maura724 · #66 10-09-2009, 12:15 AM

Could someone give a brief summary of the Mozambique issue? I know WA and Maxima have built/are building/want to build a home there, and for some reason that's a problem, but I don't follow them enough to know much more. Thanks.

Are the Prince and Princess of Orange the main target of the criticism, or are people upset with the Queen and other members of the family as well?

marmi · #67 10-09-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Maura724

Could someone give a brief summary of the Mozambique issue? I know WA and Maxima have built/are building/want to build a home there, and for some reason that's a problem, but I don't follow them enough to know much more. Thanks.

Are the Prince and Princess of Orange the main target of the criticism, or are people upset with the Queen and other members of the family as well?

Maura, see this thread, there is lots of discussion about the issue there

bartholomeus · #68 11-02-2009, 12:30 AM

Agree completely...

Our PM did some fantastic damage control in parliament...

In the USA they frown upon the attitude of Willem-Alexander and Maxima towards the press.. People with such high profiles should be 'visible' is their argument..

lucien · #69 11-02-2009, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bartholomeus

Agree completely...

Our PM did some fantastic damage control in parliament...

In the USA they frown upon the attitude of Willem-Alexander and Maxima towards the press.. People with such high profiles should be 'visible' is their argument..

What they frown upon "over there" is passed by what we frawn upon looking "over there".old theme Bart,already forgotten here.