Princess Margarita & Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn News & Photos 2 (Sep 2006-Feb 2008)

[Anna_R]

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[Avalon]

Dutch princess accuses her ex of revealing secrets

Princess Margarita has filed a police complaint against her ex-husband Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn for allegedly revealing official secrets.

[Marengo]

According to SBS6 programme ´shownews´ sombody has broken into the car of Edwin de Roy van Zuydenwijn today. They showed video images of an old white shabby Volkswagon with a smashed-in window. The car was parked in front of the house oif his mother. The programme said they did not know if anything was stolen from the car.

[Zonk]

This events after their divorce would be funny if they weren't so sad.

Why doesn't this man just move on. No one in the royal family would bother him. Its really rather pathetic.

[magnik]

God, they still doing that When does it end?

[Marengo]

'De Telegraaf' opened with the headline 'De Roy ruins princess'

Apparently Princess Margarita is fnancially ruined by her husband. According to the article the couple loaned 230.000 euros for their wedding and the castle in France that they owned was completely covered by a morgage of 1.2 million euros. According to the newspaper in 2001 she still owned 800.000 euros, and now almost nothing is left. The couple also still have a debt at Van Lanschot Bankers of 800.000 euros.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4...ses.html?p=3,1

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Marengo

'De Telegraaf' opened with the headline 'De Roy ruins princess'

Apparently Princess Margarita is fnancially ruined by her husband. According to the article the couple loaned 230.000 euros for their wedding and the castle in France that they owned was completely covered by a morgage of 1.2 million euros. According to the newspaper in 2001 she still owned 800.000 euros, and now almost nothing is left. The couple also still have a debt at Van Lanschot Bankers of 800.000 euros.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/49995591/De_Roy_ruïneert_prinses.html?p=3,1

Can't say I'm terribly surprised..I suspect however that the bulk of that money went to the heaps of lawyers they employed during their quixotic fight against the DRF..

Frankly, I don't only think de Roy is an idiot, but, his ex (?) wife also deserves part of the blame, for letting him get away with all this. Ugh what a mess.

[Marengo]

Fellow poster Lucien posted this information at the Benelux Royals MB. As it wasn't reposted here I took the liberty of doing that:

'[Court will rule the divorce case of Princess Margarita and EdRvZ on november 8th.Mid january the whole case has to be settled,the whom gets what and why not......
source:Eenvandaag. '

[Maxie]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Fellow poster Lucien posted this information at the Benelux Royals MB. As it wasn't reposted here I took the liberty of doing that:

'[Court will rule the divorce case of Princess Margarita and EdRvZ on november 8th.Mid january the whole case has to be settled,the whom gets what and why not......
source:Eenvandaag. '

Finally, that was about time. Maybe this will shut him up...
Sorry for me putting this so bluntly, but this de Roy guy is really tiresome... he get's way too much attention, imo...

[Henri M.]

Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn is really completely ruïned. He lives from money provided by family and friends and has to hide for lawyers and bailiffs.

He already predicted it: the Netherlands are a democracy, but the Orange-Nassaus not for nothing have succesfully been the premier family since 1403. Their influence is everywhere. According to him it is totally out of fear for the Queen's wrath that no one dares it to employ him, do business with him, etc. He even has no bank account anymore.

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by Henri M.

Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn is really completely ruïned. He lives from money provided by family and friends and has to hide for lawyers and bailiffs.

Well I certainly wouldn't wish ill will on anyone, Edwin's complete and utter ruin is his own doing really. If he is considered totally unemployable, is hiding from lawyers and other court officials, has no bank account or anything else, then it's his own fault for having carried out a vendetta against the Dutch royal family for so many years when it was clear at a certain point that his allegations were completely false. A more sensible person would've dropped the ridiculous crusade against the Queen, Prince Bernhard, Margarita and the rest of the royal family a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Henri M.

He already predicted it: the Netherlands are a democracy, but the Orange-Nassaus not for nothing have succesfully been the premier family since 1403. Their influence is everywhere. According to him it is totally out of fear for the Queen's wrath that no one dares it to employ him, do business with him, etc. He even has no bank account anymore.

Didn't Edwin and Margarita live somewhere in France when this scandal broke out? Can't Edwin go back to France and get a job there? And if his family and friends of his family are wealthy enough to support him financially through this, then why can't one of them get him a job? Or do they not completely trust Edwin, too?

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Alexandria

Well I certainly wouldn't wish ill will on anyone, Edwin's complete and utter ruin is his own doing really. If he is considered totally unemployable, is hiding from lawyers and other court officials, has no bank account or anything else, then it's his own fault for having carried out a vendetta against the Dutch royal family for so many years when it was clear at a certain point that his allegations were completely false. A more sensible person would've dropped the ridiculous crusade against the Queen, Prince Bernhard, Margarita and the rest of the royal family a long time ago.

I couldn't have said it better, you express my thoughts entirely. If I were DeRoy, I'd go where no one knew my name. Britain? France? Germany? something like that. Thing is though, the guy is so delusional, to me it seems he's bordering on..well..not sure what to call it and I'm not a doctor..but something isn't right with him, mentally. If he can't hold down a job in the Netherlands, he might also run into trouble in whatever country he goes to next. Bottom line: I think he's an idiot and that's why he has the problems he does. It's all pretty sad and tragic if you think about it.

[princess olga]

Quick question though: what is Margarita up to these days, professionally? What is she spending her days doing? Is she working? I read somewhere that at least in terms of men, she's moved on & has a new boyfriend. Anyone know more about this?

[Henri M.]

I understand that all the attention is on 'poor sheep Margarita' and 'brutal wolf Edwin'. Sensation, scandal, etc.

But THE most interesting thing of the whole affair was that a complete machinery of state went into working, totally without any knowledge of the responsible ministers and initiated by the royal court.

It is often said that Queen Beatrix is a powerful monarch. However her formal power is pretty limited by the constitution. But her informal power, something which is very hard to categorize in words, is totally outshining her formal power. The 'Margarita-affair' shockingly brought it to the surface.

The director of the Kabinet der Koningin (the Queen's Cabinet Office) asked the director of the General Intelligence- and Security Service to investigate Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn.

Then the General Intelligence- and Security Service made telephone taps, intercepted letters to and from Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn. They asked for the cooperation of the Royal- and Diplomatic Protection Service, from the Amsterdam Police Corps, from the Amsterdam social security service, from the Tax Revenue Service, they asked for cooperation from the Queen's Treasurer (who also manages Princess Margarita's finances) and they requested banks, companies and other institutions to provide information.

All these institutions, services, departments and companies were immediately willing to cooperate. No one, I repeat: no one, dared it to refuse cooperation because there was no any proper ground for these deep examinations and violation of citizen's rights and privacy.

Then a thick report was made. Top secret. And who was given -unlawfully- insight in this report?
Grandfather Prince Bernhard...
Father the Duke of Parma (not even a Dutchman)...
Brother Prince Carlos...

Thát was the shocking revelation of the whole affair: that a certain lady named Q.B. can raise her eyebrows in her cabinet at Noordeinde Palace and immediately a giant machinery sets itself in movement to fullfil her requests.

In the meantime the premier and the minister of the Interior conscientuously answered Parliament: "No, there are no investigations to mr. De Roy van Zuydewijn..."

That was the shocking revelation. That such a formidable power came to the surface and became visible for all Dutchmen.

[Maxie]

Are you really shocked by finding out the Queen has this power? I have always thought she's a very strong headed lady, who can be lovely at times as long as she gets her way. Don't get me wrong, I like her very much and think she's a great Queen, but I'm totally not surprised by her mingling in some business the Dutch people aren't aware of, especially when it comes to business concerning her family. I mean, don't we all? When there's a problem in a family, most of us start covering up things and checking people out in all kinds of ways. She just has more powerful instruments at hand than most of us do.

Well, it came to the surface, that's true. But I always had this feeling that the power was already there, so the revelations of the couple did not really surprise me...

That's why I find Edwin so totally and utterly annoying, btw. He's not telling me something which makes me go 'Eeek!' or 'Whaaat?!' He's just telling utter nonsense and if I want to hear utter nonsense, I just turn on my tv and I get loads of that...

[Marengo]

Let us be realistic here. What 'power' are we speaking of? Opening a few records of the public service of Amsterdam? Sure, it wasn't their right to see them & measures should be taken to avoid repetition, but to say that it was shocking and showing how much power the Queen has is a bit to much (as in the words are to strong) IMO.

To say how the RF has ruined Edwin is a bit dubious to, at the very least. I think Edwin did most of the damage to Edwin. If he wouldn't have been so completely delusional the serious press would have taken up his pledge much more fervently then they are doing now. Having that said, I wouldn't be surprised if some in the RF or their network is working against Edwin dRvZ, but as I said, most damage has been done by himself in all these interviews (where he seemed a mentally disturbed person).

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To awnser Olga: I sometimes see pictures of Masrgarita in the boulevard press. She has a new relationship now but tries to stay in the background. She is accepted back in the family on public events (how far the wounds are healed and how far it is about PR we do not know). She is probably still working as an interior decorator, as she did before and during her marriage, no new information about that has been released.

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by princess olga

I couldn't have said it better, you express my thoughts entirely. If I were DeRoy, I'd go where no one knew my name. Britain? France? Germany? something like that. Thing is though, the guy is so delusional, to me it seems he's bordering on..well..not sure what to call it and I'm not a doctor..but something isn't right with him, mentally. If he can't hold down a job in the Netherlands, he might also run into trouble in whatever country he goes to next. Bottom line: I think he's an idiot and that's why he has the problems he does. It's all pretty sad and tragic if you think about it.

I know what you mean about Edwin's mental state. I am certainly no doctor either and certainly a few courses in abnormal psychology in university doesn't mean that I'm qualified to diagnose Edwin medically () but there is definitely wrong and mentally unstable about him. At the same time however I think he holds a certain power in that he was able to completely manipulate Margarita and isolate her so completely from her family and get her to turn against her own family with his misconceptions. He is in the least, for a lack of an official medical diagnosis, delusional.

I think his problem is that he can't hold a job. Either he doesn't want to work (he's bored, feels superior above being bossed around by someone else, etc.) or can't get a job because of some alleged stronghold that Beatrix has put out against any company hiring him, I think he is the kind of person who will always blame others for his failures and he'll never accept responsibility for his own actions.

The excuses are never ending with this guy:
>>He can't get hired in any position in the Netherlands because Beatrix has ruined his reputation.

>>His marriage failed because the royal family never liked him and they turned Margarita against him.

>>The royal family was spying on him because they were jealous of him and knew that he had controversial information on them.

Originally Posted by Marengo

To say how the RF has ruined Edwin is a bit dubious to, at the very least. I think Edwin did most of the damage to Edwin. If he wouldn't have been so completely delusional the serious press would have taken up his pledge much more fervently then they are doing now. Having that said, I wouldn't be surprised if some in the RF or their network is working against Edwin dRvZ, but as I said, most damage has been done by himself in all these interviews (where he seemed a mentally disturbed person).

I agree. In the end, even if Beatrix, Bernhard, or other members of the royal family played some part in his ultimate ruin, he was the one who started the ball rolling. Why would any of them have started up any machine against him, investigating him to such lengths if he hadn't done something to challenge them? More than 8 years after the marriages of Marilene van de Broek and Annette Skevre (spelling, sorry!) to Princess Margriet's eldest sons nothing has ruined them even if there was a possible initial investigation before they joined the royal family. Why? Because they didn't rock the boat in the royal family in such a manner that would require the family patriarch (Bernhard) and matriarch (Beatrix) defending themselves against such accusations.

Even after the whole scandal with Mabel, three years and two daughters later Mabel is relatively unaffected. No one has tried to ruin her. She has carried on with her job and her life in London.

The damage could have been lessened for Edwin however had he not persisted in this vendetta. Had he dropped the matters after Margarita left him. But he didn't; he continued to spread stories about the family and about why Margarita left him.

[Marengo]

Excellent post Alexandria. The reason that Margarita left him though was revealed when some of the divorce papers (or drafts?) were stolen from the car of the Princess: abuse. It didn''t say if the abuse was mental or physical (neither did it say that the abuse was proven, it was Margarita's version of the story).

He seems to enjoy blaming others for his hardship, and though up to a point they are probably responsible for some of it (the RF never gave him a warm welcome), most of it is his own responsibility.

The patriarch (Bernhard) researched Edwin before his marriage to Margarita, before anything was 'wrong' so to say. From what I have read Bernhard didn't have any reason to do that, apart from that he wanted to find out what kind of guy his granddaughter would be marrying. It was just abuse of power, which has been corrected.

- Funny how the guy allows himself to be used by some staunch republicans btw. He is a loose cannon, then claiming Wilhelmina's maternity (!), Bernhard & Juliana's letters to Nazi's (without proof) etc etc. I fear we will get more of that in the future, but is losing much of his 'podium', not to many reporters take him seriously.

[Alexandria]

Originally Posted by Marengo

but is losing much of his 'podium', not to many reporters take him seriously.

I think that part of the reason Edwin had any such podium in the first place was because at the time he started his long and vengeful campaign against the Dutch royal family, there was nothing much going on with the royal family. It was pretty much business as usual and that is boring for the media.

Maxima and Laurentien were relatively new on the scene and Maxima fever wasn't quite at its height yet. Mabel-gate was years down the line. No cute kids like Amalia, Alexia, Eloise, Claus-Casimir or Leonor, Luana or Zaria to steal the spotlight and make everyone ooh and aah. Prince Bernhard was still fairly active with royal activities while Queen Juliana was out of the spotlight in what would be her final years. Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven and their sons were as stable as could be, no marital scandals with Maurits and Marilene or Bernhard Jr. and Annette and no playboy escapades by Pieter-Christiaan or Floris. Christina's kids were so far away from the spotlight, as were Irene's other kids. Even Carlos Jr. having a child out of wedlock didn't raise many eyebrows.

But then along came Edwin with his stories and his accusations. Margarita, the Queen's own niece (and her godmother, too, I think) was agreeing with these things (eg. the Queen's sons cursing and giving the finger to the media or the public at a Queensday event), which only added some salaciousness to the whole ordeal with the added factor of family betrayal.

Were Edwin coming to the media at this point in time with the Prince and Princess of Orange having two adorable daughters and another one on the way, or in the post-Mabel-gate royal family, and an anti-paparazzi policy by the royal family (organized photo shoots rather than catching the royals in private moments such as the Crown Princely family in Italy or Marilene nursing her youngest daughter in a private garden), I think he wouldn't have been given as much coverage. There would've been some coverage for sure because it is controversial, but not to the extent and for the length of time this matter has received.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Marengo

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To awnser Olga: I sometimes see pictures of Masrgarita in the boulevard press. She has a new relationship now but tries to stay in the background. She is accepted back in the family on public events (how far the wounds are healed and how far it is about PR we do not know). She is probably still working as an interior decorator, as she did before and during her marriage, no new information about that has been released.

Thanks for the answer: I didn't realize Margarita's an interior decorator! I thought she was active in the field she majored in, antropology if I'm not mistaken. But perhaps I'm confused with her sister Maria Carolina on this one.