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Old 09-23-2019, 04:38 PM
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Does Carlos Hugo Klynstra have any relationship with his grandmother or aunts?
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Old 09-23-2019, 04:40 PM
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Does the rest of the family speak with a similar Dutch accent? I was surprised at how different her English accent is from her sisters'. Beatrix says some words with a slight North American intonation -- maybe owing to her years in Canada? -- but she sounds more European overall than Irene does. Margriet's accent is more like Beatrix's.

Somehow, Willem-Alexander seems to have the most American-sounding accent to me. Interesting, as I don't think he ever went to school here.
Indeed,but he went to school here!Plus the numerous contacts with numerous people in numerous places of the globe.plus the talk of pilots and the usual "english" here unless one loves to pha pha pha a lot,which he doesn't.
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Old 09-23-2019, 04:44 PM
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Does Carlos Hugo Klynstra have any relationship with his grandmother or aunts?
It doesn't look like he has any relationship with his paternal relatives. His grandmother talks about her 9 grandchildren (3 by Carlos, 2 by Margarita, 2 by Jaime and 2 by Carolina), so excludes him in her counting.
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Old 09-23-2019, 04:47 PM
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that is rather unfortunate but then we don't know the ins and outs of the relationship or family history.
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Old 09-23-2019, 05:31 PM
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Last week a nature-themed birthday performance was held in Amsterdam; many members of the royal family attended.
Photos and and a video have been posted at the family's current events thread.
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Old 09-23-2019, 05:34 PM
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that is rather unfortunate but then we don't know the ins and outs of the relationship or family history.
What we do know is that shortly after the birth Carlos declared that he respected Brigitte Klynstra's 'independent decision to want to become a mother' but that there would not be any (legal) family relationship with the child (now young adult). Two years after the birth Brigitte ensured that Carlos was legally named as Hugo's father (which wasn't included in his birth certificate). Since Hugo turned 18, Carlos has been legally fighting Hugo in all possible ways to avoid him gaining the 'prince de Bourbon de Parme' title. Currently, it seems inevitable that Hugo will become a prince de Bourbon de Parme but, so far, there is still no 'Royal Decree' to make that official.

All in all, that doesn't sound as an environment for positive relationships with other paternal relatives. Princess Irene never included Hugo among her grandchildren (when counting); and I don't see that changing.
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Old 09-23-2019, 07:39 PM
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Wow, Carlos is quite the jerk.
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:06 AM
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I am not sure if that is the case. In 2016 information was published from which it seems that the mother actively blocked any contact between father and son. Some claimed that it was out of revenge, for the father refusing to marry her. The present duke was allowed to contribute financially, which he did. There were a few meetings between the present Duke and Carlos Hugo Klynstra -who goes by the name Hugo in the mid. 2010s.
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Thank you for the clarification.
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:33 AM
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Has King Willem-Alexander signed the decree confirming Hugo's name change to (Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Carlos Hugo Roderik Sybren prins de Bourbon de Parme) and entry to the Dutch Nobility?
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:53 AM
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Has King Willem-Alexander signed the decree confirming Hugo's name change to (Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Carlos Hugo Roderik Sybren prins de Bourbon de Parme) and entry to the Dutch Nobility?
There is no such Royal Decree and on the website of the Hoge Raad van Adel (the High Council of Nobility) there is no mention of it either. It is Carlos himself who has to start a procedure to be incorporated into the Adelslijst (List of Nobility).

It is also possible that a Royal Decree simply is not published in full in the State Gazette but is only mentioned by number. Maybe that happened with Carlos' incorporation.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:29 AM
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Has King Willem-Alexander signed the decree confirming Hugo's name change to (Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Carlos Hugo Roderik Sybren prins de Bourbon de Parme) and entry to the Dutch Nobility?

I suspect he already did so, without any publicity.


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There is no such Royal Decree and on the website of the Hoge Raad van Adel (the High Council of Nobility) there is no mention of it either. It is Carlos himself who has to start a procedure to be incorporated into the Adelslijst (List of Nobility).

It is also possible that a Royal Decree simply is not published in full in the State Gazette but is only mentioned by number. Maybe that happened with Carlos' incorporation.
I think it has already happened, but only the necessities. So actually the latter thing that you mention.
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:50 AM
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I suspect he already did so, without any publicity.




I think it has already happened, but only the necessities. So actually the latter thing that you mention.
Maybe there is no Royal Decree needed at all. Hugo Klynstra wants to be known with his father's surname, which comes with a title and a form of address.

Maybe it is enough to have an Act on the change of the surname added to his birth certificate in the municipal registers. After all, any child older than 16 can request to be known with the name of one of the parents.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:39 PM
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Maybe. We could only hope for the best. But the question now is, since the Dutch law and the royal decree's scope is for Hugo to have de Bourbon de Parme as surname with accompanying style and rank and an entry to the Dutch nobility, has it been made known if he will also get the same treatment in the House of Bourbon Parma considering their own house rules and regulations per se (of which the Dutch law has no access to)?
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:05 PM
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Maybe. We could only hope for the best. But the question now is, since the Dutch law and the royal decree's scope is for Hugo to have de Bourbon de Parme as surname with accompanying style and rank and an entry to the Dutch nobility, has it been made known if he will also get the same treatment in the House of Bourbon Parma considering their own house rules and regulations per se (of which the Dutch law has no access to)?
No, we have effectually different Houses now:

By Dutch law:
The princely House de Bourbon de Parme in the Nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands
Carlos and his four children
Jaime and his two children
Margarita
Carolina

For Dutch law Carlos is ZKH prins Carlos de Bourbon de Parme

By House law, titles in pretension:
The Royal House Bourbon-Parma (Prince of Bourbon, Duke of Parma and Piacenza etc.)
Carlos and his three youngest children
Jaime and his two children
Margarita
Carolina

For Spanish law Carlos is just Don Carlos de Borbón-Parma y Orange-Nassau, unless they refer to him by his Dutch style (el príncipe Carlos) or by his pretended title (el Duque de Parma)
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Old 09-24-2019, 03:36 PM
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