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Old 05-07-2015, 04:07 AM
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And unsurprisingly, some criminal thought it was his/her right of free speech to spray the same words on the recently restored palace of Amsterdam - a national monument.

It happened last night, the city is busy cleaning up the palace wall. Let's hope that they find the criminal and that he will be dragged to court. Not for lese majeste but for vandalising a momument. Hopefully they will make him pay the costs of the clean-up, though it is likely that it is one of these squater types who does not have a penny (mummy and daddy usually do though ).

http://www.at5.nl/artikelen/142898/p...****-de-koning

If the person wanted to protest: hold up a sign. Don't vandalise ancient monuments in the middle of the night.
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:09 AM
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So his lawyer wants to call the King and Queen as witnesses to see if they felt offended?!

Al-Jaberi and his lawyer should both be frog-marched up to the Palace and made to apologise - Al-Jaberi for being rude and his lawyer for being stupid!

I am all for freedom of speech, but not if someone said that about me!
if someone,anyone,living here doesn't feel comfortable with a Monarchy,then let them please move,instead of provoking for provokings sake as this guy with the non dutch typical name!!In his country of origine he would be thrown in some jail and no-one would ever hear of him again...But here,in lala-land abuse of any freedom has become more rule then exception!I find that revolting,and it has to stop.
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Old 05-07-2015, 07:58 AM
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Anti-Monarchist graffiti at Amsterdam Royal Palace .

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Old 05-07-2015, 01:49 PM
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The public prosecutor's department has withdrawn the case ... for now. They say they need more time to look at the objections against the case.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/...g-in~a4006508/

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More time needed to assess ‘f*** the king’ court case, say officials

May 7, 2015
Dutch prosecutors have withdrawn a court summons for a man accused of insulting the monarchy by shouting ‘**** the king’ because they needs more time to assess the case.

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The public prosecution department is taking him to court because he has refused to pay a fine of €500 for the offence. The decision to prosecute him caused a storm of protest and raised questions about the right to free speech.
Read more here: http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...say-officials/
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Old 05-07-2015, 02:00 PM
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I think that's a good idea.

It would only lead to more graffiti against the King.

Fine the idiot for vandalism, because that is what he is and nothing else. And let him clean off his own mess and other graffiti.
No need to give him his fifteen minutes.
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I think that's a good idea.

It would only lead to more graffiti against the King.

Fine the idiot for vandalism, because that is what he is and nothing else. And let him clean off his own mess and other graffiti.
No need to give him his fifteen minutes.
I think that's a fine idea. He's more than entitled to his opinion, but he's not entitled to vandalism.
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Agree with you both GracieGiraffe and Muhler. He always had the option to spray paint the same message on a banner and hang it on the building, but to deface it is wrong. Let him find out how tough it is to scrub off the writing.
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:30 AM
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As expected: the whole issue is being milked to the fullest. People love these kind of discussions here.

Apparently people are now twittering with #f***dekoning. Apparently twitter blocked the hashtag from their trending topics.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/05/06/...en-op-een-rij/
Several political parties (D66, SP) want the law to be abandoned. There are many parodies, clips, drawings and articles about the issue. Some focussing on the king being the angry one and writing 'f*** the people', or something simular. I have found nothing yet that speaks in favor of the law. It seems that Arjen Lubach, a comedian who is against the monarchy and started a petition to call himself 'Farao of The Netherlands' a few months ago, has trown himself up as a representative of this group.

I am quite sure that the public prosecutors office must have expected this. If they didn't I wonder if they had interns working on it. They now issued a statement saying that the hashtag with the abusive remark is also punishable.
'Majesteitsschennis uit strafrecht als activist wordt veroordeeld' | RTL Nieuws

In the mean time the lawyer of mr. Al-Jaberi, who made the statements during a manifestation, says that his client never wanted to insult anybody. The poor thing; his words must have been misunderstood...

Somehow it is assumed everywhere that the king is also against the law. They base this on a remark of WA in an interview before his inauguration, where he said that protests against the monarchy should be possible.

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Since I really can't stand these people taking the moral high ground and claiming to do it for the greater good of freedom of speech, I would almost hope that they will put the whole lot of them on bread and water in jail for 5 years. Still, the law is rather odd in this day and age. It is doing more harm than good and needs to be withdrawn IMHO.

How irritating these people are. Anyway, the whole thing will probably blow over until the next professional protestor from the caviar left wants his/her 5 minutes of fame.
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Old 05-09-2015, 05:08 AM
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So the protester got what he wanted: "Everybody is looking at meeee. And everybody are doing like meeee".

The worst possible punishment he could get, is a job at a building site or a factory. - He would then quickly learn that was he did is not universally admired and that he is considered nothing but a no-good fool!

Let me guess: He's a professional revolutionary who hasn't got the foggiest idea about the working class, especially because he has never been anywhere near a regular job in his life?
A man who finds the proletariat "romantic", while sitting at a cafe agreeing with his friends that it really is a pity that the working men and women are too stupid to understand what is best for them - but fortunately this is where he comes in...
Never understanding that Karl Marx would gleefully have kicked him and his friends off to a field or a quarry in some remote place.
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Old 05-09-2015, 05:17 AM
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Just to make things clear: the protestor who is prosecuted is not the same person as the person who vandalised the palace.

The protestor, Mr Al-Jaberi, has shouted the statements while he was on a stage during a protest last autumn against 'Black Pete'. He had to pay a fine for his insults. He refused to do so the public prosecutor went to court (and went back).

The criminal who sprayed grafitti on the palace is still unknown, but it isn't mr. Al-Jaberi.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:04 AM
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It seems that he just finished his studies and he works as a freelance journalist.

He wrote an article a few days ago, explaining that his words were against racism and islamophobes. He claims that the state wants to silence those who fight against racism. The establishment is looking for ways to contain the growing anti-racism movement... etc etc.

Mijn arrestatie had niets te maken met majesteitschennis - Joop.nl

He claims that people of the movement lost jobs due to the state, that the state is bribing institutions with subsidies etc. Ironically while he has no problem labeling 'the establishment'' as racists with dark and evil plots, he get's angry at being labelled an 'antisemite' while he is protesting against Israel and supporting Hamas.

It seems to be a one-track mind. Of course racism is a problem and most likely will always be a problem. But a pro-racism campaign by the establishement seems rather far fetched and TBH quite batty. Anyway...., it places his words in perspective.

He does have a point that the discussion about 'can or can you not say f***' is useless and a waste of time. A mere disctraction from more pressing issues such as racism and islamophobia indeed. A pity he fails to see that he himself is responsible for this distraction.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:57 AM
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I fail to to see what "F*ck the King, f*uck the Queen, f*ck the Royal House!!!" has to do with Black Pete, the character which assists Saint Nicholas? Anyone has the right to be pro or against but this was just a grievious insult.

The interesting point is when you verbally abuse the police, a mayor, a civil servant, an ambulancier, whatever... you will be prosecuted. Apparently the same principle does not count for the chef of the whole stuff...

I hope that the Golden State Carriage (which also has a painting depicting the colonies in the East and the West bringing homage to the Motherland) will soon be in a long restoration and that for a few years the King will use the splendid Glass State Carriage for his ride to read his Address from the Throne. I can see why the eh... "ethnic minorities" feel this painting is an allegory to slavery. It will only provoke them for more protests. In my option this painting should be removed indeed and replaced with something else.
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Why do some people have to look for a reason to be offended?

The Netherlands had colonies but that was in the past and for better or worse it's part of the country's history and culture and as long as it isn't distorted and glorified, live with it.
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Dutch activist faces jail for royal insult under 19th century law | World news | The Guardian
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The article in the Guardian is wrong. The object thrown to the Golden State Carriage was not a 'crumpled candle foil' but a massive glass holder for such a candle. It is harder than a brickstone.
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The article in the Guardian is wrong. The object thrown to the Golden State Carriage was not a 'crumpled candle foil' but a massive glass holder for such a candle. It is harder than a brickstone.
http://www.tubantia.nl/polopoly_fs/1...ge-2308767.jpg
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Old 05-11-2015, 03:15 AM
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Approx. 100 people protested of the museum square in Amsterdam. A protest with the 'F*** racism, F*** the king. Freedom of speech'

I still don't see how these things are connected but well...

The protest was organised by a man called Samir, who did not want to tell his last name to the journalists. Another co-organiser was author Mariam el Maslouhi. Al-Jaberi was one of the speakers, as was 'poet' Kno'Ledge Cesar. They claim that the arrest of Al-Jaberi was just under a pre-text and that lese majeste was not the real reason for it.

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They could be correct about that: the authorities using that law as an easy way to remove difficult people and restoring public order.

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I loathe consipiracy theories in general and have little sympathy for this one.

I wonder if with the state conspiracy & people losing their jobs he was referring to the lady who works for the safety & justice department who supported the terrorist Hamas in a tweet (like Al-Jaberi does). She was only suspended and not fired.

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About the golden carriage: I am not in favour of falsifying history. It is not an allegory to slavery, which was abolished by the time when the carriage was made. It is an allegory of the colonies, bad enough perhaps. But white washing our objects of art for present day political correctness is a rather odd and even dangerous road to take. We will need to take away statues from a lot of buildings in our inner cities, we will have to burn many, many paintings etc. I suppose the colloseum in Rome will need to be demolished too, as slaves were fighting there, etc. etc.

It seems more healthy to use the paintings and such to explain these elemements of our history.
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A swastika has been painted on the doors of the Cabinet of the King on the Korte Vijverberg in The Hague last night. Cleaners have removed it already.

Kabinet van de Koning beklad met hakenkruis | NOS

Ironic as the building of the cabinet of the King was the confisquated by the Nazi's who first set up a casino in the building and later gave it to the Dutch Nazi party (NSB) as their secretariat. The leader of the Dutch Nazi movement was arrested in the building, now 70 years ago.

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In the mean time the saga with Al-Jaberi continues. He received letter urging him to pay the 500 euros on Monday, after the public prosecution said they would put the issue on hold. His lawyer -unsurprisingly- is 'outraged' and talks about 'dirty games', the office of the public prosecution says that the letter was an error indeed, due to miscommunication between their office and the debt collection agency.

http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMS...n-foutje.dhtml

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2015/05/12/...***-de-koning/
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So the protester got what he wanted: "Everybody is looking at meeee. And everybody are doing like meeee".

The worst possible punishment he could get, is a job at a building site or a factory. - He would then quickly learn that was he did is not universally admired and that he is considered nothing but a no-good fool!

Let me guess: He's a professional revolutionary who hasn't got the foggiest idea about the working class, especially because he has never been anywhere near a regular job in his life?
A man who finds the proletariat "romantic", while sitting at a cafe agreeing with his friends that it really is a pity that the working men and women are too stupid to understand what is best for them - but fortunately this is where he comes in...
Never understanding that Karl Marx would gleefully have kicked him and his friends off to a field or a quarry in some remote place.
Hahaha, I love this post.

It's rare that revolutionaries really know what they are talking about, which is why revolutions often make things worse, especially the socialist/communist ones. While I'm afraid that now that he's had a taste of fame, he might think he's just getting started. Fortunately, I'm sure the Dutch authorities are well ahead of me on that.
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I feel that many people have the lost the core understanding of the Act. It is not a limitation of the freedom of speech. Anyone can say that they want a republic. Shouting "F*ck the King!", painting it on the Royal Palace and even painting a swastika on the doors of the Kabinet van de Koning, it are all insults. That Act is precisely against inults towards the (office of) the inviolable head of state. A person whom is not able to speak out in public space. In principle there is no difference between insulting a civic servant, a policeman, an ambulancier or the King: in all cases the Public Prosecution will act.

I am still shocked that the King, who himself has done nothing wrong at all, suddenly is in the eye of a fierce (media) storm. If there are two persons whom have fought for the rights of minorities, for the integration into society, for understanding, also financially (via the Orange Fund) then it are exactly the King and the Queen. They are the last ones to deserves such insults, especially not by Islamitic zelots.

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