General News about the Dutch Royal Family, Part 1 (September 2010 - )


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Ignored by both press and public. Nobody really cares about the minor members and like SLV said, us Dutch people are not impressed by titles.

If you are not impressed by titles, or what they stand for, monarchy means what? Genuine question here because Beatrix, WA and Maxima don't do anything else. I believe some Dutch RF members have other jobs, yes?
 
If you are not impressed by titles, or what they stand for, monarchy means what? Genuine question here because Beatrix, WA and Maxima don't do anything else. I believe some Dutch RF members have other jobs, yes?

They all have other jobs since they have the grey cells to lead succesfull lives in what they do,plus,we don't do free-loaders!!..Here only the Monarch,his or her spouse and the former Monarch get an allowance.And ofcourse Princess Amalia as soon as she reaches the age of 18.But only her,not her sisters.

Besides that they have a examplary role they all are very well aware of the need to have usefull lives,private lives,business lives and that living of the State is passé in this day and age.All have made careers of their own without making ass*s of themselves...No,we proud ourselves to have the bunch we have.Very much so.Tamam?..:)
 
Here only the Monarch,his or her spouse and the former Monarch get an allowance.And ofcourse Princess Amalia as soon as she reaches the age of 18.But only her,not her sisters.
I´m sure you meant to say that the Monarch, his/her Spouse, the former monarch and the heir get an allowance, right?

What about the spouse of the heir, does (s)he gets an allowance?
 
I´m sure you meant to say that the Monarch, his/her Spouse, the former monarch and the heir get an allowance, right?

What about the spouse of the heir, does (s)he gets an allowance?

It is as I said,and yes,eventually the spouse of the Heir gets an allowance too,I thought that obvious as that information is all on the Royal House website.:)
 
If you are not impressed by titles, or what they stand for, monarchy means what? Genuine question here because Beatrix, WA and Maxima don't do anything else. I believe some Dutch RF members have other jobs, yes?
I can't speak on behalf of every Dutch person ofcourse, but I think most of us see our Royal Family as our country's PR. We'd rather see Maxima and W-A representing us abroad than that loser that calls himself our prime minister.

I'd say we think of our family generally the same as the British.
 
Here only the Monarch,his or her spouse and the former Monarch get an allowance.And ofcourse Princess Amalia as soon as she reaches the age of 18.But only her,not her sisters.
I´m sure you meant to say that the Monarch, his/her Spouse, the former monarch and the heir get an allowance, right?

What about the spouse of the heir, does (s)he gets an allowance?
It is as I said,and yes,eventually the spouse of the Heir gets an allowance too,I thought that obvious as that information is all on the Royal House website.:)
Well, you just completely forgot about the heir in your post about who gets an allowance and when reading on one could understand it that way that Pss Amalia is in a special position, where she will gets an allowance under all circumstances :flowers: That´s why I wrote as I did (in this quote I have made the text in bold)
 
Edwin de Roy van Zuijdewijn

Today the Dutch TV program "Een Vandaag" had a 20 minute insert where they interviewed Edwin de Roy van Zuijdewijn.

He does not want to reveal where he is living, but appears to be southern Europe (Spain / Portugal maybe) and how he is destitute and lives off monies sent by family or odd friend. He does not interact at all with others, and lives totally alone with his dog. It appears that he is writing a book, appears to be in English.

They showed a letter written by King WA (and signed by himself) to say that Edwin and his then wife Princess Margarita were not really welcome at WA&M wedding in Feb 2002. Yet on the broadcast of the wedding it was mentioned that due to financial reasons they did not attend.

I guess where there is smoke there may be fire.

Wonder really what actually is the truth. It is mentioned a few times in this program that Prince Bernhard Senoir (who died in 2004) was behind some of the troubles...

The book may be interesting....
 
He has become a sad figure. I don't doubt that esp. prince Bernhard worked against him. I think it also quite clear that the research of the secret service was done illigally on Bernhards request. But in the end he proved to be his own biggest enemy. In the interviews on tv he seemed the ultimate snob and deranged, megalomanic and insane almost. I think that if he would have appeared more normal on tv he might have found a job (there are enough republicans around). But after the very odd appearances and tv interviews, Mc. Donalds wouldn't hire him to work in their kitchen even.

Tuesday the court in Amsterdam demanded a punishment of 240 hours of community service due to him allegedly fabricating a fake invoice of 238.000 guilders (+/- 100.000 euros) in 2001.

Eis: werkstraf maar geen cel voor de Roy van Zuydewijn - Binnenland - VK

The book may have some interesting details, but Edwin's contact with the RF has been very limited to say the least. And his chief enemy, prince Bernhard, has been dead for years and that the prince abused his influence won't come as a surprise to anybody. Bernhard's way of handling things has caused so much problems for his wife and daughter over the years, he has been the greatest risk for the monarchy in the 20th century IMHO. And yet many still seem to adore him, over the last years many tv series appeared about (parts of) his life.

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The broadcast:

EenVandaag: do 1 aug 2013, 18:15 - Uitzending Gemist (item starts after 5 minutes)

'They can't find me here' ... why on earth would anybody still want to find him?

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The question remains: why was prince Bernhard so much against him? I have never read an explanation for that. The prince called him a 'hostile projectile that needs to be made harmless'. But why Edwin was a hostile projectile (before he went public) is still a mystery to me. I suppose that we will never know, as the RF is unlikely to shed light on their version of the events.

Anyway, I wish they would settle this somehow, otherwise this will drag on for decades more like the case with Willem Oltmans (a journalist whose reputation and credibility was actively broken by the dutch state & esp. foreign minister/NATO secretary Joseph Luns). Despite Edwin appearing to be a rather odd figure who has lost touch with reality, it is still clear that the man has been mistreated by the state, as the many documents that he has dug up show. This could mean that even a Queen Catharina-Amalia will still need to handle problems that were caused by prince Bernhard. Again: that man was the worst thing that happened to the monarchy in the 20th century, he has harmed the monarchy over and over again. It is a pity that Juliana was not allowed to seperate/divorce him when she tried to curtail him in the late 40-ties/ 50-ties. He was actually supported by the government and it was Juliana who was defeated while she actually was very accurate in noticing that the prince's behavior would (and did) cause great problems.
 
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Marengo you really have given a lot of very interesting information here. I am Dutch born but lived 99% of my life outside the country but follow it closely - much easier now with internet and this sort of website.

however it is so interesting what you write about Bernhard Sr. Are there books, Dutch ones, which spell this out clearly. Would love to read up more and get a clearer picture of what has happened. History is so interesting as after the fact, years down the line things do become clearer to many (eg is even Diana in UK, what we think now is different to 20 years ago).

I am sure Edwin has many facts which are correct and he feels he has been wronged (might well have been too) but how could he fight the whole organisation. Just shows what power Royals have / can have. They are so well connected!

I was honestly fascinated when I saw the Een Vandaag program, and thanks for adding it here, I can relook at it.
 
Very interesting Marengo.
Why did Queen Wilhelmina nothing in the years 40-ties/50ties , She was Queen ?
 
Dutch Royal Family Christmas

Christmas this year will probably be a difficult one for the Dutch Royal Family, so soon after the death of Friso. I wonder where they might spend it, and if Mabel and her daughters will join them?
 
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The Dutch Royal Family never reveal their private plans for holidays, so this is just guessing on my part:
It could well be that Princess Beatrix will spend Christmas and New Years at castle Het Oude Loo in the woods near Paleis Het Loo in Apeldoorn.
She uses that castle often as a weekend retreat and is one of her most favorite places.
It is also near the house of her sister Margriet, who is also going through a difficult Christmas because of the serious illness of her son Bernhard.
I think it is most likely that Princess Mabel and her daughters will spend Christmas with Beatrix, just as Prince Constantijn and his family.
I am not sure about the King and Queen and their daughters. It could be that they are spending the holidays with Princess Beatrix or with the Queens' parents in Argentinia, which they usually do.
 
Do we know if the King and Queen & family went to Argentina this year or was Christmas spent in the Netherlands?
 
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King Willem-Alexander, Queen Máxima, Princess Beatrix, Princess Mabel and their five girls have spent some Easter holidays at the Villa in Tavarnelle, Italy, this month. On April 18 they were pictured in a café in Florence.



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Maxima n Beatrix looks very different with no make up wow specially maxima
 
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King Willem-Alexander, Queen Máxima, Princess Beatrix, Princess Mabel and their five girls have spent some Easter holidays at the Villa in Tavarnelle, Italy, this month. On April 18 they were pictured in a café in Florence.



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This is a breach of privacy and good chance for a succesful lawsuit, especially because minors (the three princesses and the two countesses) and non-members of the Royal House (Mabel) were pictured during perfectly private pastime outside any official framework.
 
Please tell me what is this...

I was just going through some old videos on Youtube, found this one..

Can someone tell me what this video is about..what is happening.. I didnt know whee to post this question....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwqDuIR8oJo

I want the full details.. was it a scandal.. or a diplomatic mishap or feud.. or just really some silly confusion..
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Irene_of_the_Netherlands

I'm thinking it has to do with Princess Irene's engagement/marriage to Prince Carlos Hugo in 1964.

Yes, that's it, and specifically the decision of P.Irene that she wishes to support the work of her fiancee (called "Prince Charles" in the clip) and that because of that she drew the consequence of that (meaning the conversion to roman-catholicism), because of this she couldn't get married in the Netherlands.
In the clip it is mentioned that Q.Juliana and P.Bernhard were not able to stop that decision and deeply regret it.
 
Thanks TLLK and LeeZ.. Interesting info..
 
The issue began earlier. Irene who fell in love with Carlos in Madrid, converted without even telling her parents. Would have been shocking enough without how they found out. A picture of her kneeling for communion hit papers, how her parents found out. They couldn't stop her converting as they didn't learn till after. The fact Carlo was also believed to support Franco added.

Juliana thought she convinced Irene to come home, and announced on radio, but the airplane sent for her came back empty. The couple wanted to get her, but parliament forbid them to go to Spain, thinking Irene was Franco's pawn. Her dad went alone, bringing her and Carlos back, where Irene gave up succession rights. Her involvement with Franco was publically shunned by cabinet and family.

The couple married in Rome, but no Dutch came. Her family watched on tv at Princess Armgard's house (Bernhard's mother). Armgard was catholic but she chose not to go either. Armgard lived in Netherlands with her life partner and former stable master Alexis, a Russian ex-pat who was the Only dutch athlete in 1956 Olympics. Bernhard's dad died in 1934, 3 years before he wed. Alexis,who taught him to ride, escorted the widowed Armgard to the wedding. Armgard's 2nd marriage to Bernhard sr (1st to a count she divorced) was morganatic and she was only countess on marriage. Her sons were born Counts. In 1917 her BIL Leopold, Prince of Lippe, elevated her and her sons to Princess/Princes.


Irene of course made peace. When she divorced, she brought her kids home and lived with her parents. Claus and Bea were big in their lives.
 
The issue began earlier. Irene who fell in love with Carlos in Madrid, converted without even telling her parents. Would have been shocking enough without how they found out. A picture of her kneeling for communion hit papers, how her parents found out. They couldn't stop her converting as they didn't learn till after. The fact Carlo was also believed to support Franco added.

Juliana thought she convinced Irene to come home, and announced on radio, but the airplane sent for her came back empty. The couple wanted to get her, but parliament forbid them to go to Spain, thinking Irene was Franco's pawn. Her dad went alone, bringing her and Carlos back, where Irene gave up succession rights. Her involvement with Franco was publically shunned by cabinet and family.

The couple married in Rome, but no Dutch came. Her family watched on tv at Princess Armgard's house (Bernhard's mother). Armgard was catholic but she chose not to go either. Armgard lived in Netherlands with her life partner and former stable master Alexis, a Russian ex-pat who was the Only dutch athlete in 1956 Olympics. Bernhard's dad died in 1934, 3 years before he wed. Alexis,who taught him to ride, escorted the widowed Armgard to the wedding. Armgard's 2nd marriage to Bernhard sr (1st to a count she divorced) was morganatic and she was only countess on marriage. Her sons were born Counts. In 1917 her BIL Leopold, Prince of Lippe, elevated her and her sons to Princess/Princes.


Irene of course made peace. When she divorced, she brought her kids home and lived with her parents. Claus and Bea were big in their lives.

Plus in the middle of all the engagement upheaval,Irene was supposed to go on a State Visit to Mexico with her parents and sister Beatrix.At the last moment she didn't show up at the airport and kept everybody waiting while they received a message from her saying in as many words that due to the recent situation she'choose to remain with Carlos Hugo and thus cancelled the trip for her part,to the huge disappointment & grief of her parents.

Queen Juliana,Prince B and Princess Beatrix finally left without her and the B-P family,old Xavier and the family,stayed at Soestdijk Palace still...and not just that...they tookover the place!!So much so to the immense annoyence of the courtiers and staff whom were ordered around like if the BP's owned them.Until finally,one staff member called Prince Bernhard in Mexico and complained about the BP's...That set an infuriated Prince Bernhard to get to the next phone,called the Palace and told the BP's to immediatly leave the Palace...Things never were the same after old Xavier was told off....The Dutch Royal Family made up with both Irene and Carlos Hugo not too long after the wedding on april 29th 1964 in Rome,one day before Queensday at that time...The young couple was soon seen holidaying at Porto Ercole with Juliana and Bernhard.

Despite their differences and desillusions,Irene and Carlos Hugo kept in touch,and after the pain of the divorce subsided,they were in touch especially on the education of the children as they lived with their mother here in NL.Carlos Hugo for his part was still held in high esteem by the Dutch RF and was more often then not in attendance at the main family events.Irene and the children at first lived at Soesdijk Palace for a while,then she purchased a villa close to the Palace and later moved to Wijk bij Duurstede.The children attended the International School in Amsterdam/Amstelveen and did very well there.The grandparents and uncles and aunts from Irene's side where very important to them,they were/are very much loved.

He,Carlos Hugo,lived a quiet live,very sober too.The friendliest and kindest of persons,a very warm human too.He had a very special way of welcoming someone,taking someones hand with both his hands.As a token of how much the RF cared for him Queen Beatrix send the government aircraft to Barcelona after Carlos Hugo died of cancer there and flew him here and he was lying in State at the Fagel Pavillion in the gardens of Noordeinde Palace.All,all Members of the RF came to pay their respects there which was a very moving sight indeed.

After that he was flown to Italy and the interment took place there in the presence of members of the RF and Princess Irene.
 
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