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Old 09-20-2009, 03:46 AM
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"Avoid paying taxes" sounds very illegal,but leave that to the press.
Again,she doesn't do anything illegal.Nothing at all,as I explained in the post before,the British Government has provided this construction especially for foreign residents in the same position as the Princess.
The address,like I said before all families with a larger chunk then social security have the main address of their family businesses at the families main address.Nothing wrong with that unless you live in the Netherlands and your name is Orange.

Really,the smell of sprouts that family has to keep up with,the frumpiness ago-go,those holyer then thou sickening mannenbroedertjes,really,HM and her family must have gained the skin of elephants against these sort of things.

And about setting an example.Is that for Princesses only or should that socialist critter that leaked the Speeech from the Throne be
setting an example in his position too?I say yes,and what he did was illegal and fully against decent requests to keep it under embargo.
MP's as examples of society.I will tell what I think on that after I've stopped laughing.Royalblog has a piece on that too.
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According to the Volkskrant, princess Christina found a new route for the evasion of taxes. She stopped using Palace Noordeinde and moved her trust to 'Box Consultants' in Eindhoven. It is a so-called mailbox company that also has an office in Switzerland and that specialises in rich clients.
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The discussion about the budget of the RF has been moved to the thread about Prinsjesdag & the Budget for 2009, which you can find here.
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From nrc.nl:

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Dutch queen responds to country's rich list

Published: 4 November 2009 15:22 | Changed: 4 November 2009 17:24

By Radio Netherlands Worldwide

Queen Beatrix and her family have fallen two places on Quote magazine's annual list of the Netherlands' wealthiest people. More importantly, their estimated wealth has for the first time dropped below the one-billion-euro mark. And it appears that they couldn't be happier about it.
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Dutch royals no longer billionaires

Wednesday 04 November 2009
The Dutch royal family's worth has shrunk by 20% because of the credit crisis, taking the Oranjes below billionaire status, according to the latest edition of the Quote 500 rich list.
The family's wealth is now put at €800m, putting them in 25th place on the list, the Telegraaf reports on Wednesday.
And, the paper says, this is the first time the queen's press office has officially commented on Quote calculations. 'Every downward revision brings the estimate closer to the reality,' the paper quoted the RVD as saying.
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Reports that the Queen's wealth has taken a slide. The best part about this is the statement put out by the Queen's press office. Shows a sense of humor about the whole thing.
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nrc.nl - International - Dutch royals do not come cheap

The Dutch monarchy is the second most expensive one in Europe, only after the UK’s, according to Belgian professor Herman Matthijs.
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nrc.nl - International - Dutch royals do not come cheap

The Dutch monarchy is the second most expensive one in Europe, only after the UK’s, according to Belgian professor Herman Matthijs.
It's in balance with our BNP,allthough a small country,we do belong in the top 10 of the worlds richest nations.It is peanuts really.
Other Monarchies might come cheaper on first look,but have a load of hidden costs too.So,in the end it maybe isn't us that comes
second at all.The Belgian professor says as much
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The dutch Royal family is the most expensive in Europe according to a new set of research by Belgian Professor Herman Matthijs. The Dutch Monarchy has overtaken the British to be most expensive, mainly as the British Monarchy have reduced their costs recentley.
I'm not sure if the Dutch figures would include security for the familywhich the british press constantly remind us the official UK figures do not.
Dutch royal family 'overtake Britain's as most expensive in Europe' - Telegraph
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This survey has been published several years now... and every year the professor notes that he basically can not compare the costs since the data provided in each country differ. But he does it anyway apparently. I am quite sure that they aren't the most expensive one (not the cheapest one either though).

As royalblog says: the Spanish RF has twice as many people working for them as the dutch RF. Only these employees are officially employed by the ministery of traffic, defence etc. and not by the Spanish RF, while in the Netherlands they are listed under costs for the RF.

Royalblog also notes that the Daily T. gets the article by the Belgian professor wrong and the UK still does have the most expensive monarchy according to the study.

Added to that RTL has enquired if HM also plans to cut her salary, like the king. The awnser of the RVD was: no. The salary o the RH has been linked to those of civil servants. Fortunately the politicians stayed quiet on this one, as they probably (rightly) expect that if the Queen cuts her salary, they would be suggested to follow that example.
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The 'No austerity cuts for Dutch royals' made its way into today's Irish Times!


No austerity cuts for Dutch royals - The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 23, 2012
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Dutch newspapers also reported it, just copy/pasted the whole thing from RTL it seems, even NRC and Volkskrant (the supposed quality newspapers) did it. Tehnically it is impossible for HM to decide such a thing btw, as parlament will have to vote on it.
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Question: are Dutch royal wills/probate public documents or is it like in the UK where royal wills are sealed? Can one go to the local court house and purchase a copy of Julianas or Bernhards wills if one were so inclined?

Does the Dutch monarch pay tax on her private fortune/income?
Are inheritances from monarch to monarch subject to inheritance tax or is there an exemption like in the UK?

Is the state allowance paid to the monarch and her son and his wife meant only to cover official expenses or can it also be used for personal expenses as they see fit? Basically are the amounts a salary or merely an operating budget for offical duties?
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I'm in a rush so don't have time to search for sources but my understanding (from reading about the inheritances from Beatrix's parents is that under Dutch law a certain percentage or share of a deceased persons estate goes to their children, remaining spouses, brothers sister, my understanding is that a set amount goes to each person in each category. Whether or not a person is free to write their own will and change these amounts I do not know.

the Dutch royal house website explains more about the finances Uitkeringen 2013 - Het Koninklijk Huis
but my understanding is that there are two parts to each allowance given to Queen Beatrix, The Prince of Orange and Princess Maxima, part A is their personal allowance or salary for themselves as private income from the state, part b is for the paying of private staff etc they need to carry out their duties. Currently Beatrix receives 825,000 euros as her personal allowance, the Prince of Orange and Maxima 245,000 euros each.
As for tax the dutch royal house website Veelgestelde vragen - Het Koninklijk Huis suggests at a quick glance that Beatrix, WA and Maxima do not pay income tax or inheritance tax. I guess other members of the family pay at least income tax if not inheritance tax.

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Question: are Dutch royal wills/probate public documents or is it like in the UK where royal wills are sealed? Can one go to the local court house and purchase a copy of Julianas or Bernhards wills if one were so inclined?

Does the Dutch monarch pay tax on her private fortune/income?
Are inheritances from monarch to monarch subject to inheritance tax or is there an exemption like in the UK?

Is the state allowance paid to the monarch and her son and his wife meant only to cover official expenses or can it also be used for personal expenses as they see fit? Basically are the amounts a salary or merely an operating budget for offical duties?
You can find all that here,like Tommy already said...Nowhere else has a more accurate account on anything related to the Royal House,so,in the Royal House web is where to look...but you already knew that didn't you...grin...

But yes,Members of the Royal House in The Netherlands are not excempt from paying taxes except for the specific regulations in charge for the Monarch and the Heir,all others pay all the taxes due.And the Monarch and Heir are,according to article 40 of the Constitution,free from inheritance taxes too.

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Since the abdication/inauguration the allowances for the King, Queen and Princess Beatrix are

The benefits include an income component (A) and one for personnel and material expenses (B). The other members of the royal family received no payment.

Benefits as assessed by May 1, 2013 (annual amounts)
King (Willem-Alexander)
A component: € 825,000
B component: € 4,408,000
Wife of the King (Queen Máxima)
A component: € 327,000
B component: € 574,000
King who has renounced the kingdom (Princess Beatrix)
A component: € 466,000
B component: € 947,000

taken from Veelgestelde vragen - Het Koninklijk Huis

It seems the new King has an allowance similar to what Beatrix had as Queen, Maxima has received a "pay rise" as Queen consort and Beatrix has taken a pay cut but still gets more than Willem-Alexander or Maxima got as heirs.
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Last week a member of the Labour Party in the Second Chamber (Lower House) of the Dutch Parliament thought that the King should become subject to the salary cap for the public and semi-public sector. That salary cap is € 230.000,-- (US $ 317,000.--). At present three members of the Royal House get an annual personal income from the State:
- HM The King € 825.000,-- (US $ 1,135,000.--)
- HM Queen Máxima € 327.000,-- (US $ 450,000.--)
- HRH Princess Beatrix € 466.000,-- (US $ 642,000.--)

The Minister of the Interior, also from Labour, disagreed and stated that the present arrangement was 'good'. He remarked that in 2009 the modernized Act on the Financial Statute of the Royal House was enforced. This Act regulates the incomes, the reimbursements for functional costs and the use of palaces for members of the Royal House. With this also the main difference is mentioned between the workers in the public and semi-public sector: their salaries and other arrangements fall under collective agreements between employers and unions. The members of the Royal House derive their income from an Act of Parliament.

It are (were) austere times in the world economy. It is improving but of course there have been serious budget cuts, rising unemployment, collapsing house markets, etc. One would say: a perfect moment to make draconic cuts in royal costs. The Dutch monarchy is -on paper- one of the most expensive ones. This weekend an opinion poll showed that only 31% was in favour of cutting the royal incomes back to the salary cap. A majority however thought it was a good idea to subject these incomes to taxation.

In Parliament there is no majority to cut the royal incomes. A large majority agrees with the Minister of the Interior that the present arrangements are 'good'. There is a majority however to bring the royal incomes under taxation. At the same time the political parties are aware that it is symbolic: the one hand of the State gives the income, the other hand of the same State takes income away, so why not keeping things simple and continue with the net income like always has been done? Other parties think it is a strong signal: "All Dutchmen are subjected to taxes, also members of the Royal House". There stops the agreement. Part of the Chamber wants to taxate the income as these are at the moment. Other part of the Chamber wants to rise the income (bruto) so that, after taxation, the King has the same net income. This means that little will happen so far.

The surprise for me was that only 31% thought the King's income indeed should be slashed back to the salary cap. Keeping in mind the open sewers and the vitriol in the comments sections of online newspapers, I expected a majority for draconic cuts in the royal incomes. Apparently the Dutch are pretty mild for the three members of the Royal House. To complete the overview: around 2.600 workers in the public or semi-public sector earn (far) more than the salary cap of € 230.000,--. In the television interview before the Investiture the then Prince of Orange stated that he would accept and understand budget cuts. At the same time he stated that budget cuts probably would lead to the firing of staff in the royal household. Since the crisis started, the incomes of the members of the Royal House have not been cut. Simply because these are indexed to the general pay rise for workers in the public sector. Is there a rise of 2,5 %? Then also the royal incomes rise with the same percentage. Is there no pay rise for the public sector? Then also the royal incomes have no pay rise. There have been efficiency cuts in some years, but this was for all departments and all public services, so also for the Royal House. There have been expensive events like the Investiture but all by all the crisis has not hit the Royal House too hard.
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Last week a member of the Labour Party in the Second Chamber (Lower House) of the Dutch Parliament thought that the King should become subject to the salary cap for the public and semi-public sector. That salary cap is € 230.000,-- (US $ 317,000.--). At present three members of the Royal House get an annual personal income from the State:
- HM The King € 825.000,-- (US $ 1,135,000.--)
- HM Queen Máxima € 327.000,-- (US $ 450,000.--)
- HRH Princess Beatrix € 466.000,-- (US $ 642,000.--)

The Minister of the Interior, also from Labour, disagreed and stated that the present arrangement was 'good'. He remarked that in 2009 the modernized Act on the Financial Statute of the Royal House was enforced. This Act regulates the incomes, the reimbursements for functional costs and the use of palaces for members of the Royal House. With this also the main difference is mentioned between the workers in the public and semi-public sector: their salaries and other arrangements fall under collective agreements between employers and unions. The members of the Royal House derive their income from an Act of Parliament.

It are (were) austere times in the world economy. It is improving but of course there have been serious budget cuts, rising unemployment, collapsing house markets, etc. One would say: a perfect moment to make draconic cuts in royal costs. The Dutch monarchy is -on paper- one of the most expensive ones. This weekend an opinion poll showed that only 31% was in favour of cutting the royal incomes back to the salary cap. A majority however thought it was a good idea to subject these incomes to taxation.

In Parliament there is no majority to cut the royal incomes. A large majority agrees with the Minister of the Interior that the present arrangements are 'good'. There is a majority however to bring the royal incomes under taxation. At the same time the political parties are aware that it is symbolic: the one hand of the State gives the income, the other hand of the same State takes income away, so why not keeping things simple and continue with the net income like always has been done? Other parties think it is a strong signal: "All Dutchmen are subjected to taxes, also members of the Royal House". There stops the agreement. Part of the Chamber wants to taxate the income as these are at the moment. Other part of the Chamber wants to rise the income (bruto) so that, after taxation, the King has the same net income. This means that little will happen so far.

The surprise for me was that only 31% thought the King's income indeed should be slashed back to the salary cap. Keeping in mind the open sewers and the vitriol in the comments sections of online newspapers, I expected a majority for draconic cuts in the royal incomes. Apparently the Dutch are pretty mild for the three members of the Royal House. To complete the overview: around 2.600 workers in the public or semi-public sector earn (far) more than the salary cap of € 230.000,--. In the television interview before the Investiture the then Prince of Orange stated that he would accept and understand budget cuts. At the same time he stated that budget cuts probably would lead to the firing of staff in the royal household. Since the crisis started, the incomes of the members of the Royal House have not been cut. Simply because these are indexed to the general pay rise for workers in the public sector. Is there a rise of 2,5 %? Then also the royal incomes rise with the same percentage. Is there no pay rise for the public sector? Then also the royal incomes have no pay rise. There have been efficiency cuts in some years, but this was for all departments and all public services, so also for the Royal House. There have been expensive events like the Investiture but all by all the crisis has not hit the Royal House too hard.
There are Always those around this time of eagerly awaited National celebrations who like to get into view over the back of the RF.Tough luck!It's the time of year.We know these symptoms in certain quarters,there IS NO crisis as such and never was here,at least not compared with Southern Europe pe,so,big deal.Willem-Alexander is worth every penny he earns!!Nada mas,and certainly nothing less!Basta,this is a non-discussion,but there are Always those that seem to have an urge to highlight the rediculous.Next!!!Have a wonderfull Kingsday all!!
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State Budget 2015 - Chapter 1 "The King"

The King will get a personal income of € 823.000,-- (appr. US $ 1,065,000.--). That is € 6.000,-- more than in 2014, due to indexation with the general rise of prices and wages. Besides his personal income the King will have a budget of € 4.495.000,-- (appr. US $ 5,820,000.--) for expenses.

Queen Máxima will get a personal income of € 326.000,-- (appr. US $ 422,000.--). That is € 2.000,-- more than in 2014, due to indexation with the general rise of prices and wages. Besides her personal income Queen Máxima will have a budget of € 585.000,-- (appr. US $ 757,000.--) for expenses.

Princess Beatrix will get a personal income of € 465.000,-- (appr. US $ 602,000.--). That is € 3.000,-- more than in 2014, due to indexation with the general rise of prices and wages. Besides her personal income Princess Beatrix will have a budget of € 965.000,-- (appr. US $ 1,240,000.--) for expenses.

€ 26.800.000,-- (appr. US $ 34,700,000.--) is earmarked for a variety of functional costs. These include, for example, staff at the palaces, the use of planes, the maintenance of carriages, heating and lighting of the palaces, the management of wildlife on the royal domains, etc.

€ 5,6 million (appr. US $ 7,250,000) is earmarked for the Kabinet van de Koning (the official secretariate) and the use of the State Information Service.

The costs of the (maintenance and use of the) royal residences, the royal transportation, the use of the Royal- and Diplomatic Protection Service, the security of the royal domains, the use of military for operational and ceremonial purposes, etc. are not enlisted in Chapter 1 "The King" but spread out over other chapters.
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The costs of the restoration etc. of the palaces will be 35 million euros.

Apparently the palace Noordeinde is too small and needs to be updated, among other things the kitchen for the staff and several offices. In the mean time a temporary structure will be built in the garden of Villa EIkenhorst, for 400.000 euros. It contains the offices of the king and queen and several meeting rooms. The structure will be broken down after the restorations ofthe palaces have finished. The Government Building Service says that this structure was a cheaper sollution than renting a space for a few years.

Since it is often said that Noordeinde palace is too small, I wonder what they will do to solve that. Ideally they could parts of Kneuterdijk palace (which is on the other side of the street), but that is not likely as it is occupied by the counsil of state and it will be extremely costly.
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The Prime Minister, Mr Mark Rutte, has published an agreement between The King and the State of the Netherlands regarding some costs for the holiday estate in Greece. This is the link to the pdf (in Dutch): Overeenkomst tussen Nederland en Koning over Griekse woning | Publicatie | Rijksoverheid.nl

Summary:

It is an agreement between:
the State of the Netherlands, represented by the National Coordinator Terrorism and Security, Mr H.W.M. Schoof - to be referred as "The State";
and
His Majesty Willem-Alexander Claus Georg Ferdinand, King of the Netherlands, Prince of Orange-Nassau, Jonkheer van Amsberg, represented by Mr E.A.J. Brouwers, Treasurer of His Majesty The King - to be referred as "HMK".

To be taken into consideration:
- In 2012 His Majesty The King purchased a private holiday estate near Porto Heli, Greece;
- In connection with the safety and security of His Majesty The King as well his family, it is neccessary to take additional and adequate provisions;
- His Majesty The King has given a lot of the domain to the State, for free, to be used to establish, maintain and use a building;
- for the security and safety His Majesty The King has given in usufruct strips of the domain at the North, the East and the South of the estate;
- the strips will be used to create fences and other security provisions and 7 parking places;
- to provide access to the domain it is necessary to establish some coastal works like a landing stage, a platform and a slipway.

AGREEMENT
1.1 - His Majesty The King gives the mentioned grounds in usufruct to the State, for free, to erect buildings, parking places and fences;
1.2 - When His Majesty The King is in the holiday estate, the buildings will be used 24 hours a day, seven days a week;
1.3 - The State is and remains the owner of the buildings and the provisions created for the security and safety of His Majesty The King

2.1 Both parties have agreed that the State does not need to pay for the use of the given grounds.

3.1 The costs of electricity, water, etc. used by the security is for the account of His Majesty The King;
3.2. The State has established a special generator on the domain, a distribution of the costs has been agreed between both parties.

4.1 The State will use the given grounds only for the security and safety;
4.2 His Majesty The King will not give the gronds in use to others than the State;
4.3 The State is bound to take care of good use and maintenance of the given grounds;
4.4 When the State considers it as necessary, it can give other services access to the grounds, in connection with the security and safety of His Majesty The King and his family, the State will given note on beforehand.

5. [About the maintenance of the building and the security and safety provisions]

6.1 The State holds the right to suggest changes in the provisions for the security and safety of His Majesty The King and his family but will give notice on beforehand;
6.2 As much as possible the State will keep attention to the fact that the domain is meant as a private estate and respect the private lifesphere of all on the domain;
6.3 and 6.4 about costs and maintenance of provisions attached to the villa itself.

7.1 and 7.2 The State is responsible for all possible caused damage to the properties of His Majesty The King.

8 About damage by nature, terrorism, sabotage, etc.

9 When the State adds or removes security provisions it must repair all damage to the properties of His Majesty The King.

10 to 12 various arrangements are described

12.2 The State has paid € 516.871,-- for a 30-year rent of a strip from a neighbour to erect security fences. When His Majesty The King passes away or sells the estate, therefore ending the need for the security and safety arrangements, earlier than the 30 years period of the rent, the King (or his Heirs) will re-pay the State the rest of the rent back.

13. His Majesty The King has ordered the provision of 6 special telephone landlines. The State has ordered the provision of a special mobile network to be used by the security. The arrangement is that His Majesty The King pays for 2/3rd of the telecommunication costs and the State for 1/3. At the end of every year both parties will meet to see if these costs were reasonably to both parties.

14, 15 and 16 To provide access to the domain it is necessary to establish some coastal works like a landing stage, a platform and a slipway. Both His Majesty The King and the State pay half of these costs as well the maintenance of it.

17-26 various arrangements

27 In case of the passing away of His Majesty The King, the State will end this agreement but will then try to make new and reasonable arrangements regarding the agreement Her Majesty Queen Máxima or the Heirs.

Etc. etc. etc. It is amazing how exhausting and in detail it al is... just for a holiday villa...

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