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Old 07-04-2008, 05:35 AM
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As posted on the BRMB by Joris:

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Long debate in Dutch Parliament concerning the real total costs related to the Monarchy. PM had to answer many questions. Of course the PM and Ministers admitted that things were complicated, had gone wrong. The PM will co-ordinate things now. And we are promised to see the first audit for the budget year 2010... So one more year extra delay... No Prinsjesdag 2008 presentation but 2009? As I said before I am afraid that even "2010" will be an illusion. I hope I am still alive by then. What are they doing at those ministries? Casting paperclips towards eachother or having a little afternoon nap each day at 3 pm instead of starting the real work? "Complicated", "complicated". Yeah sure. In the meantime new "revelations" will come and the image of the Royal House damaged without any necessity. Of course PM will be irritated by all this because "The Queen and I fully agree on full transparancy".
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Old 07-29-2008, 03:17 AM
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You Dutch, you count your blessings!

After having read this thread it strikes me, that even though there seems to be much debate about the royal finances in Holland, you still have much more debate about the state of the royal finances than we do in Denmark. "All those nice pdf-files," as they are called only provide a small glimpse of our Queen's fortune - if inded she has one, because we are not to know - and does not in any way present a full picture. Our Queen does not pay ANY taxes on her personal income. "Tax assesment" is a very foreign word at our royal palace in Copenhagen. AND the Danish taxpayer is also paying alimony to the Queen's former daughter-in-law, Countess Alexandra. You Dutch, you count your blessings!
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Old 08-24-2008, 07:13 AM
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Gerrit Zalm has the task to sort out the costs of the RF that has been spreaded over various departments. From Dutchnews.nl:

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Royal budget probed by ex finance minister

Thursday 21 August 2008
Former finance minister Gerrit Zalm is to head up the investigation into the cost of maintaining the royal family, magazine Elsevier said on Thursday.
His appointment marks the next stage in a delicate process of ending the financial chaos surrounding spending on queen Beatrix and her close family.
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The former Mao-ist party critisizes Zalm's appointment. In short: Zalm was minister in the previoius 3 cabinets, and this means he has to sort out his own mess/mistakes.
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:19 AM
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According to the leaked budget of the next year the RF will have 900.000 euros extra to spend. For 2009 HM, Willem-Alexander and Maxima will receive 7 million euros.

Article in Dutch here.
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:12 PM
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It is said that the Royal family still owns grounds in Manhattan New York. Does anyone knows something more about this rumour?
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:58 PM
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It is said that the Royal family still owns grounds in Manhattan New York. Does anyone knows something more about this rumour?
That rumour is as old as Wilhelmina would be now,but it is just that.A rumour.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:23 PM
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After it became clear last weekend that princess Christina has the Daffodil trust in Guernsey so she pays less taxes, this weekend the Volkskrant revealed that there also is a Lys foundation, which has palace Noordeinde as postal adress. The Lys foundation is headed by the duke of Parma and the trust has the money that his children inherited from their Dutch grand parents.

A google translation of this Dutch article: Vertaalde versie van http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144868.ece/Weer_fiscale_constructie_via_Paleis_Noordeinde=

The 'problem' for some politicians is that those funds are directed from palace Noordeinde while the Parma's and princess Christina are no members of tyhe royal house.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:37 PM
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After it became clear last weekend that princess Christina has the Daffodil trust in Guernsey so she pays less taxes, this weekend the Volkskrant revealed that there also is a Lys foundation, which has palace Noordeinde as postal adress. The Lys foundation is headed by the duke of Parma and the trust has the money that his children inherited from their Dutch grand parents.

A google translation of this Dutch article: Vertaalde versie van http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1144868.ece/Weer_fiscale_constructie_via_Paleis_Noordeinde=

The 'problem' for some politicians is that those funds are directed from palace Noordeinde while the Parma's and princess Christina are no members of tyhe royal house.
Both,the Dafodyl and the Lys are perfectly legal.No-one,unless one is a bloody red creature full of himself,minds this.No-one.
It is all perfectly LEGAL and arranged from the Family´s main office:Noordeinde Palace.
It really absolutely is no-bo-dies business at all.

All members of the RF have their private offices centrally located at the Palace and that,except for some useless red crapule trying to make all see it in a illegal view,is nothing special.Furthermore it is stated in our Constitution that HM can arrange/make arrangements in Her House as She pleases.So,again,no-bo-dies business.Just a family affair.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:58 AM
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From www.dutchnews.nl:

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Royal spending clean up planned

Friday 27 February 2009
Queen Beatrix should get a proper budget of €39m to covering all the costs of running the royal household – apart from security, foreign travel and maintaining her palaces, says former finance minister Gerrit Zalm.
Zalm was commissioned to look into the royal finances last year after it emerged that no one actually knew how much the royals cost and that spending was spread across seven government ministries.
Read more here: DutchNews.nl - Royal spending clean up planned
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Old 05-25-2009, 05:55 AM
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According to a new proposal from the Netherlands’ largest opposition party SP (Socialist Party), the members of the royal family have to explain precisely how they spend their days and what they are doing with the 119 million Euros that the royal family costs each year.
Newspaper ‘De Telegraaf’ reports that SP parlamentarian Ronald van Raak will ask the minister of internal affairs, Guusje Ter Horst for a annual report on the royal family. The former Maoist party thinks it is high time for queen Beatrix, prince Willem-Alexander and princess Máxima to explain how they spend their money. He also thinks that the royal family should explain what thyey do all day: ‘which visits they paid, which heads of state they spoke, which schools and hospitals they visited, and where they travelled to’, according to Van Raak.
The SP emphasizes that their plea for more openess should not been seen as an attack on the royal house. ‘I think the Queen does an awful lot, only much of it stays hidden’, according to Van Raak. He also says that all the drama around the travelling costs of the royal family, the maintenance costs of of the ‘Groene Draeck’ (sail boat of the Queen) was caused by a lack of openess. ‘It doesn’t hurt to tell what you are doing, it suits a modern monarchy’, claims Van Raak.
This year for the first time the total costs of the monarchy became clear and were presented in one budget to parlament. The total costs of the royal house were 119 million Euros. The largest sums are payed for security (40 million euros) and the renovation of the palaces (43 million Euros). The Queen, prince Willem-Alexander and Princess Máxima together received a sum of 6,1 million Euros.
A few months ago the prince of Orange commented that he and his mother welcomed more clatrity about the financial dealings and that they were happy that a clear budget would be presented. However it remains to be seen what they think of explaining every minute of their time to parlamentarians. It is however very unlikely that the proposal of the SP will receive much support from the other parties in parlament though.
Read the article in Dutch here.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:36 AM
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So, the SP clearly wants an itemized and detailed budget showing every expenditure. It does not appear that the travel of the RF is actually being questioned but more the like the actual costs included. I have always thought that when members of the RF travel or make visits within the Netherlands there is usually some sort of coverage by the media. I suppose that details of the visit and the costs incurred or the issue here more than the when and where.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:39 AM
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According to the prime minister the so called Noordeinde construction will be altered. At the moment the postal adress of the palace is used by princess Christina to evade paying taxes (she evades it within the limits of the law though). The princess will need to find another adress for these trusts.
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Old 09-18-2009, 10:59 AM
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She's not only not evading,as a inhabitant of Great-Britain GB has provided for foreigners with distinguished funds to have that alternative to have it all on the Channel Islands instead of Britain itself as the taxes would be way too immense,even the UK gov. acknowkedges that.
Further,it is not out of the ordinary for family members in any family of sufficient substance to have the main addresses of every single one member of that family and their businesses at the families main address.
She's not living here so she is not in the reach of our taxes,and rightfully so,it would mean she would have to pay here there and another place which ofcourse is utterly rediculous.Really,this poor woman got so much flack over nothing by people smelling of brussels sprouts,it was nauseating.Some sprouts dropped over the address of big sister.The dear Lady has not ever done a wrong thing in her entire life,she really hasn't,I said it before,she and doing things deliberately wrong is so far apart it is a totally different univers.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:18 AM
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She is not evading it in a legal way indeed, everything the princess does is legal, but it isn't very chique, to say the least. I remember that one of the main poblems with Emily Bremers (ex girlfriend of the PoO) was that her father lived in Belgium, so he could evade paying as much taxes legally. Why the Dutch state has to finance such a thing is beyond me, so it is good that the princess is taking another adress.

This poor woman, as you name her, had the arrogance just to start a second trust, after there was so much upheaval about the first one half a year ago. Why the Queen agreed with this is a mystery to me, it isn't exatly good publicity and let's be honest, the RF has been in the news in a negative way frequently the last years, all for matters related to money. Setting up trusts isn't deliberately wrong indeed, but it isn't exactly the most common construction either, and esp. after the criticism of half a year ago I find this arrogance quite odd.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:56 AM
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From dutchnews.nl:

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Friday 18 September 2009
Two trusts used by princess Christina to avoid paying tax are no longer run through her sister queen Beatrix's official offices, prime minister Jan Peter Balkenende told MPs on Thursday.
This means the government has no control over the trusts, the prime minister is quoted as saying in the Volkskrant. MPs have accused the princess of setting a bad example.
The prime minister is technically in charge of the royal household.
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"Avoid paying taxes" sounds very illegal,but leave that to the press.
Again,she doesn't do anything illegal.Nothing at all,as I explained in the post before,the British Government has provided this construction especially for foreign residents in the same position as the Princess.
The address,like I said before all families with a larger chunk then social security have the main address of their family businesses at the families main address.Nothing wrong with that unless you live in the Netherlands and your name is Orange.

Really,the smell of sprouts that family has to keep up with,the frumpiness ago-go,those holyer then thou sickening mannenbroedertjes,really,HM and her family must have gained the skin of elephants against these sort of things.

And about setting an example.Is that for Princesses only or should that socialist critter that leaked the Speeech from the Throne be
setting an example in his position too?I say yes,and what he did was illegal and fully against decent requests to keep it under embargo.
MP's as examples of society.I will tell what I think on that after I've stopped laughing.Royalblog has a piece on that too.
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Old 10-08-2009, 05:02 AM
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According to the Volkskrant, princess Christina found a new route for the evasion of taxes. She stopped using Palace Noordeinde and moved her trust to 'Box Consultants' in Eindhoven. It is a so-called mailbox company that also has an office in Switzerland and that specialises in rich clients.
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The discussion about the budget of the RF has been moved to the thread about Prinsjesdag & the Budget for 2009, which you can find here.
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Published: 4 November 2009 15:22 | Changed: 4 November 2009 17:24

By Radio Netherlands Worldwide

Queen Beatrix and her family have fallen two places on Quote magazine's annual list of the Netherlands' wealthiest people. More importantly, their estimated wealth has for the first time dropped below the one-billion-euro mark. And it appears that they couldn't be happier about it.
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Dutch royals no longer billionaires

Wednesday 04 November 2009
The Dutch royal family's worth has shrunk by 20% because of the credit crisis, taking the Oranjes below billionaire status, according to the latest edition of the Quote 500 rich list.
The family's wealth is now put at €800m, putting them in 25th place on the list, the Telegraaf reports on Wednesday.
And, the paper says, this is the first time the queen's press office has officially commented on Quote calculations. 'Every downward revision brings the estimate closer to the reality,' the paper quoted the RVD as saying.
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Reports that the Queen's wealth has taken a slide. The best part about this is the statement put out by the Queen's press office. Shows a sense of humor about the whole thing.
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