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Old 06-12-2005, 09:58 PM
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Warning over traditional skills

Traditional skills have been boosted by Prince Charles

Training in traditional building skills is vital if Scotland's heritage is to be preserved, according to experts.

What has been described as the crisis in old-fashioned skills is due to be discussed at conference in Aberdeen.

Historic Scotland and the National Trust for Scotland said there was a major shortage of people coming into the industry.

Both the general construction trade and the more specialist traditional trade are facing a major skills shortage.

Scotland's ancient properties, from castles to cottages, require constant and costly maintenance.

Experts at the summit - backed by Robert Gordon University - will include master craftsmen in skills such as masonry, ironmongery, slate and timber.

Specialists will even examine how the decline in traditional craft skills has been tackled in places such as Romania.

Traditional craftsmen

Prince Charles visited the site of the pioneering traditional skills training centre at Fyvie Castle last year.

It is expected to accept its first pupils after the summer. The centre, believed to be the first of its kind north of the border, will offer courses such as traditional joinery and garden maintenance. The project will teach stone masonry, traditional joinery, lime pointing and rendering, path-making, dry-stone dyking and garden and landscape maintenance.
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Old 06-12-2005, 10:50 PM
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Honestly, these journalists really P*#%s me off!
So what if Camilla wore her outfit from the civil ceremony. Very frugal if you ask me. Heavens, she only wore it in public for about an hour on her wedding day.
As to her failing to find her place in the family, if she had been standing next to the Queen she would have been accused of elbowing more deserving relatives out of the way!
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CAMILLA: BRITAIN'S FOURTH LADY: A snub with her official status? Sunday, 12 June 2005 The Official status of the Duchess of Cornwall in the pecking order of the Royal Family has been revealed for the first time.

As the Duchess, looking happy and radiant in an ivory suit and hat, took her place on the Buckingham Palace balcony for the first time, a confidential Buckingham Palace document revealed that she is ranked below Princess Anne and Princess Alexandra in the official list approved by the Queen.


The document, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, is the first to include Camilla since she married Prince Charles - and last night led to speculation of a Royal snub.

Her new position is below that held by Princess Diana when she was married to the Prince of Wales. Then Diana was ranked above all women in the Royal Family apart from the Queen and Queen Mother.

And the Duchess of York, who had a similar title to Camilla, was listed third in the order of precedence when she was married to Prince Andrew.

A Royal snub?

But the new official list, drawn up after Camilla married Prince Charles earlier this year, puts her behind Anne and the Queen's cousin Princess Alexandra.

At Camilla and Charles's marriage in April there was speculation that Anne and other senior Royals would bridle at having to curtsy to the controversial second wife of the Prince.

But this potential embarrassment is avoided in the new list, marked 'Private' and entitled 'Precedence of the Royal Family to be observed at Court', which in practical terms determines the seating arrangements for State occasions.

Constitutional experts last night claimed that the move is a snub to Camilla, who legally will become Queen when he is crowned King. Charles Moseley, editor-inchief of Debretts, the respected publisher of the reference guide to the aristocracy, said there was no doubt that Camilla - when compared to Diana - had been demoted.

He said: "Camilla coming below the Princess Royal and Princess Alexandra marks a change from the previous position.

"When Diana was married to Charles his Royal rank ensured that she was second only to the Queen. Camilla in that case would be second behind the Queen and Sophie Wessex would come next.

"The new list changes all that and now gives seniority to the blood relatives of the Queen - Anne and Princess Alexandra. This represents a major demotion for Camilla."

But last night Buckingham Palace insisted Camilla had not been demoted by the Queen. A spokesman said: "To reflect the Duchess's wish to be called Duchess of Cornwall rather than the Princess of Wales, the Queen took the opportunity to clarify the private administrative Precedence for the Palace. This is not a downgrading of the Duchess but merely reflects that the Duchess is a Duchess, not a Princess."

'Reflected her wishes'

Senior Royal sources said the Duchess was "relaxed about the arrangement" which "reflected her wishes".

Yesterday she took her place with the Royal Family for her first appearance on the balcony of Buckingham Palace. Where Diana, Princess of Wales had once stood, alongside Charles and Prince William, Camilla now assumed centre stage, standing between William and her husband, alongside the Queen and Prince Philip.

Earlier, in another first for both Camilla and William, they rode in the Trooping The Colour carriage procession, accompanied by the Earl and Countess of Wessex. The Queen, in cornflower blue, and Prince Philip - celebrating his 84th birthday - were driven in a Victorian open-top phaeton pulled by two grey geldings.

Prince Charles joined the procession on horseback as Colonel of the Welsh Guards.

Prince William was crowned Britain's brainiest Royal yesterday after gaining a 2:1 honours degree in geography from St Andrews university.

The 22-year-old Prince, who logged on to a secure university website to find out his grade, was said to be "absolutely delighted" to become the first Royal to be awarded more than a 2:2.


By JASON LEWIS, Mail on Sunday 12th June 2005
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:16 AM
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MIRROR NEWSPAPER

13 June 2005
CROWN FOOLS
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PRINCE Charles and new wife Camilla have caused astonishment by choosing a royal insignia for the Duchess of Cornwall that is strikingly similar to Princess Diana's.

The mark at the head of Camilla's stationery - seen by the Daily Mirror - is a simple C. Diana's, of course, was D. But, just like the princess's, Camilla's personal cipher lies beneath a crown and is almost a style "double".

It is believed the Royal Household approved Camilla's stationery mark several weeks ago.

She will use the insignia at the head of both official and personal correspondence, as wife of Charles.

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But last night royal watchers were surprised at its lack of individuality - leaving the couple open to claims of being copycats.

Amid speculation over Camilla stepping into Diana's shoes, two sheets of crested paper from Clarence House and Highgrove were handed to the Mirror.

On Saturday Camilla, 57, made her first major appearance as Charles' wife during the Trooping the Colour ceremony to mark the Queen's birthday.

She was at her 56-year-old husband's side among a group of royals on the Buckingham Palace balcony.

It was a further subtle sign that the Queen has finally accepted Camilla, even though she kept a discreet distance from her as the royals viewed an RAF fly-past.

It emerged yesterday that Camilla is Britain's fourth lady, behind the Queen, Princess Anne and Princess Alexandra. Diana was ranked three.

Camilla, it is said, chose the title of duchess rather than princess to avoid accusations of attempting to match Diana.
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Geez, I have no love for Camilla, but I'm beginning to wonder if she or Diana ever had a chance with Charles' family.
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anyone has the two insignias? want to see them! :)
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Geez, I have no love for Camilla, but I'm beginning to wonder if she or Diana ever had a chance with Charles' family.
did you read in mirror articles?

but i havent no choices about that! but Princess Diana is popular Princess than Camilla!

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How can she be below Princess Alexandra but above the Countess of Wessex and the Duchess of Gloucester? Women take their husbands' titles when they marry into the royal family. Don't the Gloucesters take precedence over any of the Kents? Or is this some extrapolation from the fact that Princess Anne and Princess Alexandra are the only Ladies of the Garter apart from the Queen?

That whole article doesn't make sense.
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TELEGRAPH NEWSPAPER

Feathers are order of the day at Garter service
By Caroline Davies
(Filed: 14/06/2005)

The Duchess of Cornwall may not have been entitled to wear the ostrich plumes of the Order of the Garter but she was not to be outdone on the feather front when she attended the Garter service at Windsor Castle yesterday.

Sporting a black and white feathered headdress in the same style as her wedding day creation, she joined the ceremony's royal carriage procession for the first time, seated next to her sister-in-law, the Princess Royal, and opposite her husband, the Prince of Wales.

The Duchess was not permitted to walk in the arrival procession, arriving at St George's Chapel in a Rolls-Royce. She joined the carriages after the service.

Sir John Major, the former prime minister, took his place as a Knight of the Garter for the first time after being invested with Britain's highest honour by the Queen yesterday morning.

Sir Winston Churchill's daughter, Lady Soames, 82, became a Lady of the Garter. Lord Bingham of Cornhill, the former Lord Chief Justice, was the third of the new appointments.
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Duchess in historic garter service, Former PM Major gains Garter honour Monday, 13 June 2005 The Duchess of Cornwall may not have been entitled to wear the ostrich plumes of the Order of the Garter but she was not to be outdone on the feather front when she attended the Garter service at Windsor Castle yesterday.

Sporting a black and white feathered headdress in the same style as her wedding day creation, she joined the ceremony's royal carriage procession for the first time, seated next to her sister-in-law, the Princess Royal, and opposite her husband, the Prince of Wales.

The Duchess was not permitted to walk in the arrival procession, arriving at St George's Chapel in a Rolls-Royce. She joined the carriages after the service.

Sir John Major, the former prime minister, took his place as a Knight of the Garter for the first time after being invested with Britain's highest honour by the Queen yesterday morning.

Sir Winston Churchill's daughter, Lady Soames, 82, became a Lady of the Garter. Lord Bingham of Cornhill, the former Lord Chief Justice, was the third of the new appointments.

By Caroline Davies (Filed: 14/06/2005)
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I think its pretty stupid that they don't treat her like a normal royal.
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i agree... i think they should treat her like the others, it's ashaming for her and for the other royals if they do not do so. camilla is another member of the royal house now...
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One article noted, "The new list changes all that and now gives seniority to the blood relatives of the Queen - Anne and Princess Alexandra." Hasn't this been the problem all along? blood relatives are seen as real royals, and the ones who marry into the family aren't.

Legally, Camilla's and Sophie's title is Princess, though they use the titles of Duchess and Countess, and their rank is derived from their husbands standing in the order of precedence. How did the Queen's cousin get ahead on the line?

I never had much patience with Diana's and Sarah Ferguson's whining but maybe this aspect of their complaints were true, that they did not feel a part of the family.

Now though Queen is being overt about putting blood family over in-laws. It's insulting to Camilla and Sophie, and bad PR.
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is that list trustworthy, i saw on another website a list she was ranked 2nd, below the Queen only. i guess i saw that list on wiki
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Camilla unveils the Duchess of Cornwall rose at the BBC Gardeners' World Live show in Birmingham
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The Duchess is met with a smile from her husband the Prince Of Wales as she enjoys the blossom's spicy fragrance
Photo: EMPICS15 JUNE 2005
The Prince of Wales' wife was in the pink on Wednesday, unveiling a blossom which bears her name at the BBC Gardeners' World Live show in Birmingham.

Accompanied by her husband, the newlywed looked thrilled to introduce the Duchess of Cornwall rose for the first time. The new variety, which is pink with a spicy fragrance, was a perfect match with the rosy-hued ensemble Camilla had selected for the day.

Proceeds from the sale of the rose will go to the National Osteoporosis Society, of which the Duchess is president.

The BBC Gardeners' World Live show runs at the National Exhibition Centre through June 19.
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Here is the pictures from ANP Photos:
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That's not a very pretty looking rose.
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HRH The Prince of Wales, President of The Prince's Foundation for the Built Environment, attends the unveiling a statue of the Duke Of Wellington during his visit to view the restoration of the Royal Arsenal, at Woolwich on June 16, 2005 in London, England.
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