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She was by no means a saint, but I for one cannot see her smacking her children.
This was the only time I member her smacking William. It's also been brought up in a couple of books I've read
Diana, William, and Harry Also another incident that happened in the gardens of BP apparently has been discussed in some books.

But ya it's terrible to hear both your parents names dragged in the mud like that especially when one is not here to defend herself in any way. Also we have to remember this is by Penny Junor who famously wrote the very anti-Diana book back in 98 "Charles: Victim or Villain?' I believe the palace even dismissed some of the claims in that book. Sadly though I fear this will never stop especially since Diana and the marriage will probably a very popular topic for years to come.

Ugh I find this article awful. If William gets joy in flying a helicopter then let him plus he's doing his duty, for gods sake Charles isn't even King yet there's still time and plus William is helping alot of people out there.

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Old 05-05-2012, 02:30 AM
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Well from what I've read William was a kid who definitely needed some discipline, and I grew up getting spankings so Diana smacking William isnt some huge controversy for me.
As for the other article, wth is the rush?! His father was forced to sprint on his duties to prepare to be king and here he is in his 60s still waiting.
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Exactly plus what William is doing now like I mentioned is helping alot of people out there. So in a sense he is serving his country/his people.
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Is the article by Penny Junor not only part 1 of several excerpts? The reason I feel that this article might be seen as harsh on Diana is that it was primarily dealing with William and Diana. I think articles to come will focus more on the Charles/Camilla side of things.

But, ultimately, given that Diana is generally perceived as the 'good parent' to Charles's 'bad parent', this article is inevitable as those with more knowledge of both sides of the issue try to set the record straight. There have been innumerable articles and books (written with Diana's assistance) bashing Charles down the years and his reputation and public standing have never recovered. I can't feel too sorry that Diana's getting a bit of her own medicine. I think one thing we can all agree on is that the Panorama interview was a catastrophically stupid idea that not only damaged Charles, but also the institution of the monarchy and her own children. Agreeing to it and saying what she said was unutterably cruel and selfish. She obviously didn't care if she damaged her children.
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Isn't Penny Junor one of the "Highgrove"-Set of Charles and Camilla? I recall reading her biography on Charles some twenty years ago and she seemed to be totally in love with Charles back then. Not in an eriotic way, but she seemed to adore him absolutely. That was pre-Diana's Morton-book but she already was critically of her.
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For two young men that appear to be so totally committed and in love with their mom it makes no sense to assume all the allegations about her very questionable behaviour to be true. Most people have love and respect for our parents but Williams's and Harry's love and devotion to their mom is much beyond that. She was most likely a much more loving and caring mother than how she is presented here.
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I think William in particular ended up parenting Diana in a sense. I think he realised that his mother needed him and relied on him in a way that other mothers don't. He and Harry obviously felt very protective of her, and felt that she was hounded by the press in a way that was utterly wrong.

But ultimately, Diana was taken from them when they were very young. It's natural that they idolise her in a sense and try to remember only the good things. All parents are imperfect, but their kids still adore them. And as much as Diana loved her boys to distraction, it didn't stop her from hurting them very deeply.
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Well, the tone of the article isn't surprising since it was written by Penny Junor

I'm 22 and I find it astounding how some feel the need to put down one person to boost up the other. I think its been well established that both Diana and Charles love their children immensely and sadly deeply hurt them during the divorce. IMO both share equal blame. It appears that Will & Harry have forgiven them and moved on with their lives.

The question I have is why was this article even published? This isn't news and hasn't been for over 16 years. William appears happy with his new wife and someone feels the need to drudge up a painful period from his childhood...
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Book promotion - so its to make £ for the Mail and Penny Junor. And this site now has a thread dedicated to said book!
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It's been written because our future King is about to hit a landmark birthday - his 30th. It's entirely natural to profile public figures when they reach important milestones. It's interesting for me, as one of his future subjects, to know a bit more about what sort of person he is and part of that will entail the people and experiences that led him to become that person.

There are lots of books out at the moment about the Queen as she's hit the milestone of 60 years on the throne. Like Penny Junor's book, those books have looked back at those things which have shaped HM, and made her the monarch she is.

I take all books on the royals with a grain of salt, as everyone has different opinions. But I feel this book will be very interesting and a worthwhile study of Prince William.
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I think William in particular ended up parenting Diana in a sense. I think he realised that his mother needed him and relied on him in a way that other mothers don't. He and Harry obviously felt very protective of her, and felt that she was hounded by the press in a way that was utterly wrong.

But ultimately, Diana was taken from them when they were very young. It's natural that they idolise her in a sense and try to remember only the good things. All parents are imperfect, but their kids still adore them. And as much as Diana loved her boys to distraction, it didn't stop her from hurting them very deeply.
It's also not like William or Harry would ever say anything negative about their mother in public. If their parents' misadventures with the press in the 90s taught them nothing else I imagine it taught them that any negativity or ambivalent feelings regarding family relationships should be kept private.
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I took a good, long look at Diana's "Panorama" picture in the article. Most women put an up-flick on with their eyeliner to "lift" their eyes. Diana's eyeliner actually goes down below the outside corner of her eye. She was trying to make herself look sadder.

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For those of you too young to actually remember all these years, it was quite obvious from the beginning that Charles and Diana were a mismatch. The depth of the trouble was not spelled out, but the body language told all.
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It's also not like William or Harry would ever say anything negative about their mother in public. If their parents' misadventures with the press in the 90s taught them nothing else I imagine it taught them that any negativity or ambivalent feelings regarding family relationships should be kept private.
Absolutely agree, camelot. William in particular is extremely private, maybe even too much so. I imagine seeing all your parents' dirty laundry all over the papers and TV makes you pretty determined not to follow their lead. Great point.
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I didn't find anything in the article very surprising or terribly unbelievable.
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You know, as I've thought about it, I have to agree with you, NGalitzine. There's not really anything there that hadn't at least been hinted at before. Not really surprising either, as you say.
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I remember reading that Diana supposedly had a long talk with William about her interview either before or after it. This article states that she essentially had to be forced to talk to him and it wasn't actually a loving bonding moment between mother and son. I do admit that bit of the school aid having to beg Diana to come down seems sketchy to me.
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I remember reading that Diana supposedly had a long talk with William about her interview either before or after it. This article states that she essentially had to be forced to talk to him and it wasn't actually a loving bonding moment between mother and son. I do admit that bit of the school aid having to beg Diana to come down seems sketchy to me.
I'm not sure if the Headmaster is still alive, but it would be interesting if he responds. I think that it would be natural not to want to talk about it, but if she lied to him (possibly in a misguided attempt to protect him) then that would be wrong.

We'll never know until perhaps Charles authorises a biography later in his life. I say that because he's already admitted he was in a relationship with Camilla before the divorce; I think he personally isn't into having to justify it again (he's married and his boys are accepting of it); he wouldn't want to hurt Camilla, and I also think that he views it as past news. Perhaps we should all do the same.
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Prince Harry may have joked about entering William and Kate into the London Marathon, but his brother has serious hopes of running an African marathon. William, 29, wants to enter the Safaricom Marathon in Kenya’s Lewa Downs – the wildlife resort which is owned by Jecca Craig’s family and is where he proposed to Kate. An aide says he will not enter ‘this year’, but added: ‘It is something he would like to to do in the future.’
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I remember reading that Diana supposedly had a long talk with William about her interview either before or after it. This article states that she essentially had to be forced to talk to him and it wasn't actually a loving bonding moment between mother and son. I do admit that bit of the school aid having to beg Diana to come down seems sketchy to me.
I thought Junor got that from William's Master at Eton?

For me it doesn't really matter how long Diana spent explaining that interview, it was a very cruel thing to do to her boys. In a divorce parents should never, ever criticise their ex if their children can hear it. Diana chose to eviscerate Charles in front of 20 million people. I can only imagine how hard it was for William and Harry to be at school the morning after the interview was shown. No doubt they will have received some abuse as a result of Diana's actions.
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