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Sorry are you referring to the japanese princess who is expecting or something altogether different?
Yes, I meant Kiko of Japan - the whole world thought her husband and she had stopped thinking about adding another child to their family with her being not quite young anymore but suddenly she was pregnant...
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Old 07-11-2006, 10:33 AM
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Well a 60-something woman just had a baby so its not out of the realm of possibility. I think its highly doubtful though.

I can't help thinking this talk about the lack of her solo engagements is a bit of a red herring. I think the first year was very successful in terms of publicity. She was getting out there, their events were pretty well covered and for the most part positively.

Whether or not she's lazy is another matter; but the effects of the public appearances she did make were on the most part very positive. If what little she does provides value, then I don't care if she's lazy in her own time or not.
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:03 AM
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I think that even if camilla did 1000 solo engagements per year, people will still be unhappy.Frankly she might as well please herself and start doing things slowly - what is the point of pleasing people who dislike her anyway?
i so agree shaan. you can't please everybody (especially the ones who will NEVER give her a break). the papers will always be making stuff up to sell papers and everything she does will be looked over and commented on. Camilla needs to just be herself and do her best, with a husband that adores and supports her i hope she's able to just blow off the negative stuff and enjoy her life (and if some people think thats lazy, thats just too bad)
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:32 AM
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Well a 60-something woman just had a baby so its not out of the realm of possibility. I think its highly doubtful though.

I can't help thinking this talk about the lack of her solo engagements is a bit of a red herring. I think the first year was very successful in terms of publicity. She was getting out there, their events were pretty well covered and for the most part positively.

Whether or not she's lazy is another matter; but the effects of the public appearances she did make were on the most part very positive. If what little she does provides value, then I don't care if she's lazy in her own time or not.
But is it really so little? I mean: 320 engagements in 365 days. Here in Germany, people work an average of 220 days (the rest ist weekends/holidays and public holidays). Let's assume it's similar in the UK: then it's about 2 engagements a working day. And it's not just showing up on the occasion, it's attending the conferences with the planning staff at Clarence House, it's dressing appropriately (which includes the shopping for clothes), putting on the make-up (Important if an elderly lady needs to look her best due to the photographers), getting briefed about each event and the people to be met there, driving to the place, appear, doing all there is to be done and driving/flying back. Quite a lot of work in order to only do 1! engagement.

While the queen can do real "series" of engagements while staying at BP and receiving people who do the traveling to meet her.

if you view it that way, it's quite impressive what the duchess did - certainly not the score of one "lazy" lady. Especially one who is close to reach "retirement age" and knows she can't ever retire (well, being one day the widow of king Charles with a new king William and his queen might mean that she can relax a little bit in her (then) old adage...)

I respect Camilla because she started her public career at an age when most people think of retirement. Or do you think we'll see so much of celebs when they reach the age of sixty-something?

I guess it's the "Against all odds"-factor that helps her keeping up her strength or maybe she thinks like empress Karoline Augusta of Austria (born princess of Bavaria) who married emperor Franz I. in 1816. The princess had been forced to marry the Crown prince of Wuerttemberg in 1808 due to Napoleon's machinations but the prince did not want her and she could get an annullment in 1816 due to the fact that the prince did not consummate the marriage and thus the pope dissolved the marriage. While Franz I. was double her age and three times widowed, the marriage was very happy. The empress wrote to her brother (king Ludwig I. of Bavaria) in 1821:
"Mein Kaiser lebt für seine Völker; ich für ihn; so ist unser Verhältnis, so wird es bleiben. Er freut sich meiner Liebe und Hingebung; ich bin selig, wenn ich bemerke, daß er sich dadurch glücklich fühlt, und ich bemerke es oft" (Translates to: My emperor lives for his people and I for him; this is the way we relate and thus it will stay. He enjoys my love and support and I feel blessed when I feel that he is happy because of that - and I feel it very often."). BTW - empress Karoline Augusta had quite an interesting life if someone wants to read about her. For Royalty fans (are there any?) - Karoline Augusta was the aunt of empress Elisabeth ("Sis(s)i"), emperor Franz Joseph I, queen Josefina of Sweden and the kings of Prussia and Saxony...



Maybe that's what Camilla feels as well: Charles lives for his people and she lives to support him.


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Old 07-11-2006, 02:54 PM
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But is it really so little? I mean: 320 engagements in 365 days. Here in Germany, people work an average of 220 days (the rest ist weekends/holidays and public holidays). Let's assume it's similar in the UK: then it's about 2 engagements a working day. And it's not just showing up on the occasion, it's attending the conferences with the planning staff at Clarence House, it's dressing appropriately (which includes the shopping for clothes), putting on the make-up (Important if an elderly lady needs to look her best due to the photographers), getting briefed about each event and the people to be met there, driving to the place, appear, doing all there is to be done and driving/flying back. Quite a lot of work in order to only do 1! engagement.
I don't think its that little; I'm just amazed at people's fascination with the number of royals events. Its true that Princess Anne outpaces them all in that respect but she had been keeping up an insane schedule for years before people noticed. I don't think quantity necessarily translates to quality.

I'm also reminded of something a member said in the Danish forums. He said that the DRF had just the right amount of exposure and if the Danish people saw them any more than they did now, they'd get sick of them.
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Jo, these documentaries don't have to be good quality. They just wheel out the chaffeur, the butler and the chap she once said hello to at Sainsburys and whap - you've made yourself a programme to sell to the Yanks.
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Jo, these documentaries don't have to be good quality. They just wheel out the chaffeur, the butler and the chap she once said hello to at Sainsburys and whap - you've made yourself a programme to sell to the Yanks.
The butler actually wasn't in the programme :). But I see your point.
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I watched this documentary yesterday. I was disappointed. IMO it was a pro-Diana film. All clisches and old (untrue?) stories were told. The comforting and supporting role of Camilla was underestimated. It wasn´t the quality I know from this chanel.:(
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The thread to discuss this documentary is here .
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Camilla, President of the National Osteoporosis Society, smiles during a visit to Guy's Hospital on July 12, 2006. The Duchess of Cornwall officially opened the SPECT scanner unit during her visit , a scanner which shows physiological and anatomical detail - wireimage

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HRH looks very smart indeed. And I think the last pic shows that her visits have a serious meaning behind them, not just a photo opportunity.
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HRH looks very smart indeed. And I think the last pic shows that her visits have a serious meaning behind them, not just a photo opportunity.
It depends on the question if you believe that a formal act aka a ritual makes something that would happen anyway more meaningful. I personally do - I personally think that work for a charity needs a reward. If the work happens in a society that believes in the concept of a monarchy, then the recognition of a Royal personage is a tremendous reward. Especially as it is one that has nothing to do with monetarian effects but appeals to the inner structure of mankind who so desperately seeks for something "higher" - as church has lost a lot of its moral and reward impact, especially as they can only promise but not deliver a reward - it is very positive IMHO that there is still something that gives people the feeling they are rewarded in the here and then.

I especially like that Camilla is obviously very good in giving people the feeling that they are and what they do is important. From the reactions in the media I concluded that she really is the person she appears to be - one who sees the sense in things and wants to be/ to do good. I like that! I wish we had someone like her instead of only charity socialites like this terrible Ute Ohoven!
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Thanks for all that info!
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I agree Jo and I think the term "charity socialites" is a brilliant one to apply to most celebrities who are involved with charities but the Royal Family seem (on the whole) to only accept Patronages etc of things they have an interest in so that they can give their all to it and I think that should be applauded.
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Camilla's security plans get green light

The Duchess of Cornwall will have extra security at her home near Lacock after plans for a police control base were voted through last night. http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news...reen_light.php
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Duchess will head hospice

The Duchess of Cornwall has agreed to be royal patron of the oldest hospice in the capital.
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"We know that she does not take on such commitments lightly."

Doesn't that just say it all?
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"The Duchess of Cornwall, Camilla Parker Bowles, accepted the invitation from Trinity Hospice in Clapham."

(Sigh.) Some people in the media have trouble remembering that she hasn't been "Camilla Parker Bowles" since April 9, 2005.
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Yes Tabby, people still forget. I have to admit, I said the same thing the other day and had to catch myself. HAHA She is such an amazing lady. She has her own class and style.
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The best summary of allegations about "laziness" IMO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...targetRule=0#6

Camilla is no slouch
If the Duchess of Cornwall hasn't responded to the suggestion in a tabloid newspaper last weekend that she was reluctant to take on public engagements, it is probably because she simply hasn't had the time.
"Last week, Camilla was busy working alongside her husband on four days of engagements in Wales. On Friday, she was in Scotland for more engagements, and this week she has another round of appearances, both on her own and with Charles, including two garden parties for Prince's Trust volunteers, the opening of a new osteoporosis bone scanner at Guy's Hospital, and a day of events in Yorkshire," one courtier tells me breathlessly.
"This is hardly the diary of someone who is not fulfilling her royal duties or, indeed, who needs to increase her workload."
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