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I would think the same as well, that Kate would make it her business to get plenty of practice in public speaking since that's a major role for her charities and other public appearances.
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I agree, it would have seemed to me that during this period of slowly introducing Kate into her role she would be learning in her down time. They were married almost 2 years before George she didn't 'work' wouldn't this have been a good use of her time.
I'm confused, what do you mean by she didn't work? She's been doing engagements since they married.

IMO, Kate has practiced her public speaking. She sounds much better than she did during her very first speech.
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Considering the first speech was apparently cringeworthy, the fact she has improved is not much of an achievement.
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I guess when I look at the number of engagements her father-in-law and Anne, Camilla, the Queen, Sophie (who has kids) does, sorry but what did she do? Stop stepping on eggshells there are those of us out there who have worked hard with and without children, I don't care that she is in the public eye. So what! She chose this life, she chose this when she agreed to marry Wills, so live it. No excuses, she has had time to 'learn' the role, practice and have access to those in the know.

BTW the Queen never expected to have to step into her role so quickly, but unfortunately her father died. She was then thrown into the role, while mourning, with young children, it would have been tough. Kate has the luxury of time on her hands, how long we don't know, but time. I don't think it is being nasty to say, use the time to learn.
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The Queen was born a royal and had the media eye on her from the moment she was born. She was young but she'd been in the spotlight her entire life. The situations are not remotely comparable- same with Prince Charles and Princess Anne.

Kate has adapted faster than any other spouse in recent memory- even Sophie had her hiccups.

Some of you have absurdly unrealistic expectations.

Also- for those comparing Kate unfavorably to Princess Anne, who has done this her whole life? Anne has had many moments of misspeaking to the press and saying things construed (wrongly, In my opinion) as cruel or callous or distant.
I can't even imagine how some of you would react if Kate said similar things to the press- Armageddon no doubt.

Many of you cut those who were born royal a lot of slack and are unrelenting on anyone dating or marrying into the various royal families.
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Some of you have absurdly unrealistic expectations.
In my opinion some here are prepared to indulge Kate far too much. She is a woman in her early 30s who is a university graduate. She accepted a job offer that required her to perform certain tasks in public for the rest of her life. In the three years since she took the job she has had ample opportunity to learn to do the things required of her in that position but doesn't seem to have advanced beyond the most basic level in some categories.
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In three years she's done two tours and is about to do a third, has become a mother, done more individual engagements than her husband, dealt with near constant public scrutiny (including greeting the world press only several hours after giving birth) and integrated herself into the royal family in a way that has them getting better PR than they've had in many years.

But sure, her public speaking is still a bit unsteady, so she's probably just lazy.
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The comments about Catherine tell us a lot about those people. They should remember that.
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In the long run, what is more important -William having a loving, supportive stable marriage with Kate with George and his future siblings growing up to be well adjusted adults or the perfect "Barbie" princess who never has a hair out of place or stumbles while making a speech.
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In my opinion some here are prepared to indulge Kate far too much. She is a woman in her early 30s who is a university graduate. She accepted a job offer that required her to perform certain tasks in public for the rest of her life. In the three years since she took the job she has had ample opportunity to learn to do the things required of her in that position but doesn't seem to have advanced beyond the most basic level in some categories.

Some people are too quick to give both her and William a pass because they're young and still transitioning into their roles.

William has been in the public eye his entire life and has long known what is expected of him, yet even now in his 30s he needs to take a year to transition into being a full time royal and determine what causes he wants to support? I have a hard time understanding how a fully grown, adult needs such time, especially given as he's known since he was a kid that this was coming.

In regards to Kate, yes she's only been married just shy of 3 years. Yes, she's only been a royal for that time. But he's known William for almost 13 years now and been with him for most of that time. She had the better part of 10 years to prepare for this role before even becoming a royal - yet, we're making excuses for her because she's so new at it? It's not she's new at it, it's she's not actively trying to fulfill the role that she's supposed to fill. She clearly wants the benefits of being a royal, but she doesn't want the work.

Even without her royal status, I kind of question just how she got through a university degree without developing some public speaking skills.
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HM and the DoE appear to want their own children on the forefront of royal engagements at this point in time. Their grandchildren are transitioning toward the full time list, but IMHO their grandparents "call the shots" on who does what and when in the BRF. This is a royal family in a very unique situation. There are far more representatives than any other European royal family and there is the unusual circumstance of having an adult heir-to-the-heir too. HM and the DoE most likely are choosing to introduce the younger generation to a full time royal role when they decide the time is right.
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The comments about Catherine tell us a lot about those people. They should remember that.
I don't know what it tells about people and what they should remember, but it's unproductive to turn around and point fingers at commenters who have the right to voice their opinions in a reasonable and constructive manner. That's something to remember, though.
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Some people are too quick to give both her and William a pass because they're young and still transitioning into their roles...
This is a re-run of what has been said by the "unhappy with Kate" brigade but there are 3 elements I'm going to answer.

Firstly, I have had to deal with university graduates for most of my career. They are not taught any aspect of public speaking in the UK. Only if they take an interest in a debating society will that skill be developed. Sad but true.

You may have all these expectations and it seems that if you are from Australia these expectations are particularly high. But they are not the expectations of HMQ or the PoW who made it very clear she was not a full time royal and being a wife and (eventually) a mother was the priority. In many ways she's only just starting out.

Finally - none of this debate has anything to do with her current events. If you want to discuss her abilities as a member of the BRF, then start a thread.
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:13 PM
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I don't know what it tells about people and what they should remember, but it's unproductive to turn around and point fingers at commenters who have the right to voice their opinions in a reasonable and constructive manner. That's something to remember, though.
The problem is that some people here has nothing reasonable and constructive to say. A few people here are just throwing their frustrations on The Duchess of Cambridge.
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No, it doesn't seem like people who are constructive, reasonable and make observations in an objective manner are frustrated at all. On the contrary, others get very frustrated when criticism is leveled at Kate. Everyone has the right to voice opinions here.
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No, it doesn't seem like people who are constructive and reasonable and point out things in an objective manner are frustrated at all. On the contrary, others get very frustrated when criticism is leveled at Kate. Everyone has the right to voice opinions here.
I think you haven't noticed that I clearly stated that there's a difference between people who makes constructive and reasonable comments and the frustrated ones.
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It seems that you are categorizing people who make criticisms as frustrated people, in other words, all those who criticize are frustrated and not constructive.
What I can't abide is the sarcasm used in many replies in this thread. It isn't a joke, it isn't funny, it is sarcasm. Communicating in a direct way is much more helpful.
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Finally - none of this debate has anything to do with her current events. If you want to discuss her abilities as a member of the BRF, then start a thread.
I disagree. This debate relates to the way in which she discharges her duties, and particularly they way she discharged them at her most recent current event. This is how she delivered her very short speech at her most recent current event:

I just wanted to say [looks at notes] how delighted I am [still looking at notes] to be here [looks at notes] [inappropriately long pause] this evening to celebrate the fantastic [looks at notes] work of the National Portrait [ looks at notes] Gallery [still looking at notes] [pause] The Gallery’s achievements are exceptional [looks at notes] [pause] They hold the most extensive [looks at notes] collection [still looking at notes] of portraits in the world [looks at notes] and their unique and brilliant [looks at notes] exhibition never fails to inspire us all [looks at notes][pause] but [looks at notes] it is more than [looks at notes] simply [still looking at notes] a world-renowned [looks at notes] visitors’ attraction [looks at notes]. The Gallery’s [looks at notes] outreach [still looking at notes] and [looks at notes] research program [looks at notes] [pauses] makes it one of the most [looks at notes] leading centres for the [still looking at notes] important study into [looks at notes] portraiture [still looking at notes] [pauses]. I simply could [looks at notes] not be more proud [still looking at notes] to be its patron.[looks at notes] [pauses] Thank you for being here tonight [looks at notes] and showing your support [looks at notes] I heeehope [blunders] [clutches chest] [embarrassed smile] I hope you have a wonderful evening. Sorry.

112 words, looking down at notes while speaking more than 17 of them, looking down at notes about 22 separate times.

Cutting out the commentary, this is all she had to say:

I just wanted to say how delighted I am to be here this evening to celebrate the fantastic work of the National Portrait Gallery. The Gallery’s achievements are exceptional. They hold the most extensive collection of portraits in the world and their unique and brilliant exhibition never fails to inspire us all. But it is more than simply a world-renowned visitors’ attraction. The Gallery’s outreach and research program makes it one of the most leading centres for the important study into portraiture. I simply could not be more proud to be its patron. Thank you for being here tonight and showing your support . I hope you have a wonderful evening.

Fairly straightforward stuff. Surely she could have learnt it rote within a few hours at the outside. She could have practised speaking it to a mirror, or to George, or to her mother if she wanted an audience. If she'd learnt it maybe she could have delivered it with a bit of passion and made us feel she meant what she was saying, and maybe she wouldn't have stuffed up at the end. That pause at the beginning before "this evening" made it appear as though this was the first time she'd ever seen the speech.

Three years in this job and this is the best she can do?
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I think you haven't noticed that I clearly stated that there's a difference between people who makes constructive and reasonable comments and the frustrated ones.
I did notice what you said, but people who make constructive criticism are not frustrated. And I certainly haven't seen anyone on this board who is not enamored of Kate to be visibly frustrated in their criticism. It does seem as if those who dislike this criticism get very frustrated themselves, however, and resort to sarcasm against the poster.
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Considering the first speech was apparently cringeworthy, the fact she has improved is not much of an achievement.
Her very first speech wasn't the greatest, but I didn't think it was cringeworthy. I re-watched it and some of the areas that she needed to improve (pausing too much, nerves) have gotten better. Of course there is still room for improvement, but she'll get there.

And as someone else mentioned earlier, Princess Diana wasn't a master at speeches, but she improved over time. The same for William and a Harry.

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I guess when I look at the number of engagements her father-in-law and Anne, Camilla, the Queen, Sophie (who has kids) does, sorry but what did she do? Stop stepping on eggshells there are those of us out there who have worked hard with and without children, I don't care that she is in the public eye. So what! She chose this life, she chose this when she agreed to marry Wills, so live it. No excuses, she has had time to 'learn' the role, practice and have access to those in the know.

BTW the Queen never expected to have to step into her role so quickly, but unfortunately her father died. She was then thrown into the role, while mourning, with young children, it would have been tough. Kate has the luxury of time on her hands, how long we don't know, but time. I don't think it is being nasty to say, use the time to learn.
Well Charles is the heir, so it's only natural that he does a lot engagements. As for Camilla, she started off in the low 200's and has worked her way up to the mid and high 200's. Sophie didn't start doing 200+ engagements until 2012, before that her engagement numbers were in the 100's. Both of these women started off slow and gained engagements over time. So I'm not sure why Kate is expected to do Charles and Anne numbers right off the bat. Plus, William and Harry have never done more than 90 engagements a year, so Kate is just following their lead.

But regardless of whether people think she's done enough work, she has worked.

The Queen is a born royal. She was brought up to be Queen. You can't compare her to Kate.
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