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Old 11-27-2013, 07:39 PM
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I'm sorry, but in the case of William and Kate I think this idea is rubbish. They are not ordinary parents. There's no need whatsoever for them to be hands on parents all the time, and if they are insisting on doing it, which I doubt because I believe they have more help than they admit to, they are fools. Thanks primarily to the fact that his parents divorced and Diana got a huge settlement and then promptly died, William is an extremely wealthy man and they could, and should, have engaged staff to look after their apparently difficult child when duty calls them both to other activities. Had a nanny been engaged at the beginning a close relationship would have been established with that nanny which would have allowed William and Kate to escape the screaming more often.
When William said he escaped from a screaming George, I took it to be a tongue in cheek remark. Although those times are harried and annoying for parents sometimes, its a part of being a new parent. I don't think either of them would really want to turn their child over to a nanny just to "escape" him.

Many parents, no matter the size of their bank accounts, really do prefer to be totally hands on and prime caregivers of their children. They feel that their child is the most precious thing in their lives and the child is their top priority and responsibility. IMO, Will and Kate are this type of parents. Just because George can be quite vocal and loud, it doesn't necessarily brand him a difficult child. Its how wee ones express themselves and also is quite good exercise to strengthen up the lungs.

The time will come in the future where as Will and Kate do take on full time royal duties and their calendars fill up, they will most likely have a full time, live in nanny that will be close to George as William and Harry were close to their nannies.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:47 PM
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William said that George was screaming when he left. That is what the early reports said.
Reporter license coupled with Harry's inane comments probably led to exaggeration. No surprise there.

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Old 11-27-2013, 07:48 PM
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really? you are criticizing them for being too hands on and depriving a nanny of establishing a relationship with their child?
No, I'm saying, or intended to say if I didn't make it clear, that they should have engaged a nanny from the start so she would have been a part of his life from the start and it would have been easy for them both to be away at the same time. Introducing someone later means that person has to establish a relationship with the child and that might not be easy.
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Old 11-27-2013, 07:54 PM
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Catherine is someone who likes to know all there is to know about everything. William wants his children to have as "normal" a life as possible. Catherine is still getting used to having staff.

She is someone who will understand bringing up a child before she hands them over to a nanny - because she wants to decide what it is she wants. When#2 comes along there will be a nanny. This "transitional" year will enable them to decide how to balance royal vs "normal"
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:08 PM
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Catherine is someone who likes to know all there is to know about everything. William wants his children to have as "normal" a life as possible. Catherine is still getting used to having staff.

She is someone who will understand bringing up a child before she hands them over to a nanny - because she wants to decide what it is she wants. When#2 comes along there will be a nanny. This "transitional" year will enable them to decide how to balance royal vs "normal"

I agree. The term "transitional" is correct as he is adjusting to life outside of the RAF, they'll both be taking on more royal duties and engagements and adjusting to being parents.
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No, I'm saying, or intended to say if I didn't make it clear, that they should have engaged a nanny from the start so she would have been a part of his life from the start and it would have been easy for them both to be away at the same time. Introducing someone later means that person has to establish a relationship with the child and that might not be easy.
Maybe its just me but I think doing that with a nanny from the start actually would be detrimental to the child. In the first year of their lives, its the crucial stage where an infant bonds with his parents and having nanny on board getting close to George would seem like he had three parents. This way, its Mom and Dad his inner circle. They know the difference between the cries. Hunger? Attention? Dirty diapers? Teething? This is a unique bond that parents establish with their children basically from being there, being hands on and dealing with the giggly child as well as the uncomfortable child.

Yes, in time he will form a relationship with a nanny but by that stage, he will be able to differentiate between his parents and other members of his own inner circle such as grandparents, siblings, nanny and the Cookie Monster. Its all part of the growing process.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:17 PM
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If George is known as a 'screamer', it may be that he has colic. This horrible situation is common in perhaps 20 percent of babies. No one knows what causes it, although theories abound. It can last for 4-6 months, perhaps a little longer, so there may be light at the end of the tunnel. My baby didn't have it- TG!- but I wouldn't have left him suffering on his own if I had a choice.

There is nothing in the UK- or the world- more important for W and K to do than to raise their child as they see fit. And if they see fit to almost never leave him with a nanny or a granny, good for them. Poor Catherine looks rather tired, but for a new mother that's a badge of honor. Of course she can put him on formula- if he isn't already- and hand him off to a nanny. But she's doing the natural thing in taking care of her own baby. Sooner or later he will sleep through every night, and life will return to normal for his parents.
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Wasn't Prince William a fussy baby also?


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Old 11-27-2013, 10:12 PM
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I'm sorry, but in the case of William and Kate I think this idea is rubbish. They are not ordinary parents. There's no need whatsoever for them to be hands on parents all the time, and if they are insisting on doing it, which I doubt because I believe they have more help than they admit to, they are fools. Thanks primarily to the fact that his parents divorced and Diana got a huge settlement and then promptly died, William is an extremely wealthy man and they could, and should, have engaged staff to look after their apparently difficult child when duty calls them both to other activities. Had a nanny been engaged at the beginning a close relationship would have been established with that nanny which would have allowed William and Kate to escape the screaming more often.
I could not disagree more. William and Catherine are trying to make sure that THEY are the main influence in the life of their child (and more than likely future children too). That is to be commanded, rather than criticized. As George gets older, he'll be bombarded with a lot of people; nannies, teachers, PPOs, etc., and it'll be very important for him to know who his parents are, and that THEY love him, care about him, and be there when something bad occurs. I've worked with a little girl last year, from what I gathered, she and her twin sister were brought up by TWO nannies from day one. The mother always complained that she needed 'adult' time, and chose to hand her daughters over to complete strangers as soon as they were born. It was heartbreaking to see them cry for their nanny when their mother came to pick them up from school. This year, I have at least two kids in my class who cry because they have to go home, and their parents have told me that they dread weekends, because the kids don't want to be with them. They want to be in school, because there they get some one-to-one attention they may not get at home, because the parents are busy, and employ a nanny, who on top of taking care of the children, has to take care of the house too. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to any other child. It's not healthy, and creates problems later on in life.

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really? you are criticizing them for being too hands on and depriving a nanny of establishing a relationship with their child?

Yes they have the resources to have around the clock nannies, but they have made a conscious choice to be the primary caregivers in their child's life for as long as reasonable. George will have nannies in his life, but I applaud the effort W&K are making in these early months to be the 'first responders'.
Exactly! I think we've become a society that has adopted the philosophy that 'it takes a village to raise a child', which results in nannies, and teachers being he primary caretakers of the children. I think that if a parents are able to get by without a nanny (even if it means not going to a function), then they should. It creates a strong bond, and gives the child a sense of security. Nannies can come and go, but parents don't, so the strongest bond needs to be with the parents. Caregivers can come later, when the child is aware of who 'Mommy and Daddy' are, and that they're the ones who will be providing for the basic needs of the child. The nanny is there to help, and not to raise, and the children need to understand that (along with the parents).

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Maybe its just me but I think doing that with a nanny from the start actually would be detrimental to the child. In the first year of their lives, its the crucial stage where an infant bonds with his parents and having nanny on board getting close to George would seem like he had three parents. This way, its Mom and Dad his inner circle. They know the difference between the cries. Hunger? Attention? Dirty diapers? Teething? This is a unique bond that parents establish with their children basically from being there, being hands on and dealing with the giggly child as well as the uncomfortable child.

Yes, in time he will form a relationship with a nanny but by that stage, he will be able to differentiate between his parents and other members of his own inner circle such as grandparents, siblings, nanny and the Cookie Monster. Its all part of the growing process.
You took the words out of my brain ! I cannot say how happy I am that William and Catherine are taking the 'hands-on parents' approach. All parties involved will be happier in the long run.
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What did Prince Harry say?
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Old 11-27-2013, 11:22 PM
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What did Prince Harry say?
I think it had something to do with William being jealous of Harry's trek to the South Pole and getting away from a screaming George. Just one of them little jibes that go on between the brothers when they're away from home. Always pickin on each other but its all in fun.
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The point is that people are assuming that Will and Kate are hands on parents, because they say they are, and we have never seen the KP payroll to verify.

If someone can tell us definitively who is caring for the child day in and day out, I am all ears, and will reserve judgment. Up to now all I am hearing is "oh, I'm sure Will is doing this," and "I'm sure Kate is doing that." But frankly, I don't know and neither do you.

There might be 10 nannies. There might be none. We might be being told the honest to God truth and we might be told a pack of lies.
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Old 11-28-2013, 03:33 AM
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The point is that people are assuming that Will and Kate are hands on parents, because they say they are, and we have never seen the KP payroll to verify.

If someone can tell us definitively who is caring for the child day in and day out, I am all ears, and will reserve judgment. Up to now all I am hearing is "oh, I'm sure Will is doing this," and "I'm sure Kate is doing that." But frankly, I don't know and neither do you.

There might be 10 nannies. There might be none. We might be being told the honest to God truth and we might be told a pack of lies.
Reliable journalists with good links to KP have written in UK press about the nanny situation. That is how they knew about Williams former nanny helping out on a part time basis. If there were a f/t nanny then they would know and write about it.

The story has been consistent since before the birth. Even those journalists who are negative about the Cambridges are saying the same thing.

We all rely on the media for info and over time learn who to trust on the facts (Richard Palmer of the Express) and who not (DMail). And take any opinion pieces with a ton of salt.
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Old 11-28-2013, 05:25 AM
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The point is that people are assuming that Will and Kate are hands on parents, because they say they are, and we have never seen the KP payroll to verify.

If someone can tell us definitively who is caring for the child day in and day out, I am all ears, and will reserve judgment. Up to now all I am hearing is "oh, I'm sure Will is doing this," and "I'm sure Kate is doing that." But frankly, I don't know and neither do you.

There might be 10 nannies. There might be none. We might be being told the honest to God truth and we might be told a pack of lies.
But isn't the real point that it is none of our business as to how much help they may or may not have with their childcare? George is still very young, but William and Catherine are there when duty beckons, so why should we care. There has been no official statement from KP in relation to domestic or childcare staff, and there really does not need to be one.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:31 AM
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Why would we even question that the Cambridges are hands-on parents? If there were a full-time nanny, we would've heard about it by now.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:38 AM
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Why would we even question that the Cambridges are hands-on parents? If there were a full-time nanny, we would've heard about it by now.
Yes - and it would have been advertised. We know about the housekeeper and the orderly, so no reason why we wouldn't know about the nanny.
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Old 11-28-2013, 11:58 AM
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The thing that points to "no nanny" for me is how much more generally tired the Duke and Duchess are looking.
It could be that they have both come down with insomnia, but I think the more likely culprit first parenthood.
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Baby is 4 mon, starting to teeth, hence the crying...he's at that age
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In many ways, taking care of an infant is the easiest and most joyous part of parenthood. I won't bother to explain why, because if you are a parent, you already know. Why in the world would W&K not want to experience this sweet period (screaming notwithstanding!)?

I don't find it remarkable that they choose to be almost totally hands-on. Ask any working mother if she would rather be home with her baby if she could. Most people who become parents have looked forward to having a baby for years. Anyone who is skeptical about the Cambridge childcare arrangements is not really thinking this through.
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In many ways, taking care of an infant is the easiest and most joyous part of parenthood. I won't bother to explain why, because if you are a parent, you already know. Why in the world would W&K not want to experience this sweet period (screaming notwithstanding!)?

I don't find it remarkable that they choose to be almost totally hands-on. Ask any working mother if she would rather be home with her baby if she could. Most people who become parents have looked forward to having a baby for years. Anyone who is skeptical about the Cambridge childcare arrangements is not really thinking this through.
IMO it has to be remembered that Kate unlike Diana, HM, Charles, William etc..didn't have a nanny while she was growing up. She might believe that it is her responsibility to be there for her nursing baby whenever she can. It's possible that she views a nanny more as a babysitter, not a full time fixture yet.
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