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Old 07-07-2012, 02:26 AM
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You're so right; I thought the same thing about Kate. I don't think she should co-present the Wimbledon trophy; it's too soon in her role and it could give the impression that she's edging in on the Duke of Kent. He's a venerable royal and has been doing the presentation for many years and I think him as much of an tradition to Wimbledon as the strawberries and cream they serve there. I can see her doing award presentations at polo matches, which she's done, but for these major competitions she's got time enough ahead of her for any transition to take place.
I agree with you here. We had a saying in USSR, that went something like 'don't stick out', and if Catherine were to co-present that trophy at Wimbledon on Sunday, she would be doing just that. She's not the patron, the Duke of Kent is, and therefore, the honor should be his. Catherine may, at some point, choose to take over for him, and then she'll present the trophies to the winners. As someone else noted, Catherine knows how to balance being in the limelight and stepping back. She's not pushing herself in everyone's faces, nor is she sitting at home, hiding from the world. I get that it's a big year for Great Britain, but having Catherine presenting a trophy at Wimbledon would be an over-kill (and it's not her year, but Her Majesty's, so if anyone should have that spotlight, it ought to be her, and as I understand she's unable to attend due to prior engagements).
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:51 AM
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I certainly won't be stopping on Sunday to watch this final, I find tennis boring and Murray rather arrogant. I'll be cheering for Federer while I'm at work.

As for Catherine knowing her place, even if she's visiting privately she's going to be splashed over every newspaper to next day never mind who wins. She'll steal the limelight without even knowing it, but that's just what happens when she's around.
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I certainly won't be stopping on Sunday to watch this final, I find tennis boring and Murray rather arrogant. I'll be cheering for Federer while I'm at work.

As for Catherine knowing her place, even if she's visiting privately she's going to be splashed over every newspaper to next day never mind who wins. She'll steal the limelight without even knowing it, but that's just what happens when she's around.
Which is why part of me wishes she wouldn't attend at all.

It's unfortunate because it's not Catherine's fault and there's nothing she can do about it, but Sunday should be about Roger Federer and Andy Murray - not someone looking decorative in the Royal Box.

I'll also be cheering for Federer. Not only is he a tennis genius, as someone said, he is an absolute gentleman and his style of tennis is beautiful and graceful
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:02 AM
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Which is why part of me wishes she wouldn't attend at all.

It's unfortunate because it's not Catherine's fault and there's nothing she can do about it, but Sunday should be about Roger Federer and Andy Murray - not someone looking decorative in the Royal Box.

I'll also be cheering for Federer. Not only is he a tennis genius, as someone said, he is an absolute gentleman and his style of tennis is beautiful and graceful
It is definitely not her fault, I agree. But surely there is a way she could watch without out shining the players. What was on the cover of the newspapers on Thursday? Murray making it to the semi final? Nope Catherine's facial expressions.

Also, we have a men's doubles finalist who plays on Centre Court today.

The last time a British man won Wimbledon was Fred Perry in 1936. The last time we had a British finalist was 1938 with Bunny Austin. Fred Perry and Bunny Austin were English, a point I think should be highlighted as I saw more Scottish flags than Union ones on the news this morning.


On another NOTE: Catherine's being "used" again, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Republic.html
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:41 AM
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If Kate were suddenly going to Wimbledon out of the blue to see the final, I would think that odd. Fact is though, Kate has been a fan of tennis since long before marrying William. She's not just going along to get her photo in the paper or take attention away from the players. She's going because she loves the sport, as apparently do all her family.

Does anyone seriously think that if Murray wins Wimbledon tomorrow there'll be anyone other than him getting anywhere near the front pages of the British papers on Monday? Don't be silly. The nation will stop tomorrow to watch the final, be in no doubt.

Wimbledon are very clearly courting Kate as a potential President of the All England Club after the Duke of Kent retires. They've been all over her and William, and also her parents and siblings, giving them seats in the Royal Box etc. Given Pippa's membership at Queen's (where Kate apparently goes to play privately), it wouldn't surprise me if the Wimbledon hierarchy are anxious that Kate not give her patronage to Queen's Club, but rather take over from the Duke of Kent at Wimbledon.

Personally, I think the Duke of Kent should leave the position as President. It was him who instigated the end of the bow and curtsey at Wimbledon, which I felt was totally wrong.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:51 AM
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The "nation" will not stop tomorrow. Life does not revolve around Murray playing a tennis match. There are way more important things than a Scot potentially winning this tournament. Tennis fans will stop, Murray fans will, everybody else will go about their business.

Catherine like tennis, evident that this isn't an engagement neither was Wednesdays outing. My argument is that saying she knows her place IMO is wrong, she knows she attracts the most amount of attention and she probably plays up to it.

You choose to bow and curtsey to a Monarch it should not be forced upon anyone.
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It was never 'forced' upon anyone. No-one complained about having to do it, and it actually added something to Wimbledon whose uniqueness is in its sense of history and tradition, along with its royal patronage. The Duke of Kent decided to unilaterally end one of those traditions, despite there having been no sense that it was a problem for anyone. His presidency of the All England Club has been more or less a complete non-entity otherwise. We're still no closer to having even a small proportion of children playing tennis regularly, which means that Andy Murray aside, we have no world class tennis players in this country. All this while the formerly Eastern Bloc countries, for example, have been churning out world class players on a conveyor belt.

Kate took a couple of shots with a hockey stick and sales of hockey equipment soared 300%. That's what tennis in this country needs, a public figure whose support makes things happen, rather than simply sitting almost anonymously in the Royal Box.

You state that Kate 'probably plays up' the amount of attention she receives. What is the evidence for this statement? When has she 'played up' to the press, or tried to insert herself above her appropriate station among the royals? We've only ever seen her be extremely careful when among other royals to not step on anyone's toes.

You may not be interested in watching Andy Murray tomorrow, but I'm pretty confident in saying that you're in the minority in that. His semi-final managed to pre-empt the 6 O'Clock News on BBC1, who actually switched the evening's main news bulletin to BBC2. I have never seen that happen. The news on all the channels last night dedicated at least the first 10 minutes of their 30 minute bulletins to the story, despite the fact that, among other things, we've seen some of the worst summer flooding ever. I have no doubt whatsoever that viewing figures for the final tomorrow will be enormous in the UK.
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:54 AM
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I was thinking more of the Duke, as he's 76, but since it's a private visit by Catherine, I don't think she'll be "'edging in on the Duke," so no danger of giving that impression.
That impression could only happen, IMO, if she co-presented the trophy with the Duke of Kent as you had originally mentioned, not remain in the royal box as a private spectator. But we can only wait and see what will happen, if she even shows up!
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:30 PM
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The "nation" will not stop tomorrow. Life does not revolve around Murray playing a tennis match. There are way more important things than a Scot potentially winning this tournament. Tennis fans will stop, Murray fans will, everybody else will go about their business.

Catherine like tennis, evident that this isn't an engagement neither was Wednesdays outing. My argument is that saying she knows her place IMO is wrong, she knows she attracts the most amount of attention and she probably plays up to it.

You choose to bow and curtsey to a Monarch it should not be forced upon anyone.
I will respectfully disagree here. I haven't seen her push her way into the limelight, even when she was the one performing the engagement. She strikes me as a person who can handle being the center of attention, but not necessarily enjoy it (yes, she smiles to the camera, but that's part of her job). I felt that whenever she was doing anything (solo or otherwise), she was trying to divert the attention to the cause she was supporting, hence the modest dress and recycling of outfits.
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Old 07-07-2012, 04:10 PM
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I will respectfully disagree here. I haven't seen her push her way into the limelight, even when she was the one performing the engagement. She strikes me as a person who can handle being the center of attention, but not necessarily enjoy it (yes, she smiles to the camera, but that's part of her job). I felt that whenever she was doing anything (solo or otherwise), she was trying to divert the attention to the cause she was supporting, hence the modest dress and recycling of outfits.
I agree, she is an avid fan of the game and is enjoying the sport and is obviously supportive of the sport. Which kings, queens and the royal family have done for years. Yes she is very popular right now, but some fans of the game feel that this is a good thing... Shining light on the sport. The royal family and the long British tradition is part of what sets Wimbledon apart from the other majors. I have been associated with the business side of the tennis industry for years and the All England Club is very proud of its affiliations with the Royal Family; they are a part of all of their marketing materials.

It is not dissimilar to the Royal Family's presence at Ascot.
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Personally, I think the Duke of Kent should leave the position as President. It was him who instigated the end of the bow and curtsey at Wimbledon, which I felt was totally wrong.
Sorry but there was something ridiculous about citizens of foreign countries bowing to a box. The US fought a war to rid themselves of the British monarchy; other countries, while they may not have made quite such a spectacular statement, also chose not to have the British Monarch as their head of state. IMO it's rude to require citizens of countries who have no allegiance to the British crown to bow or curtsey to its representatives.

IMO the Duke of Kent was correct and, after all, it was to him and his family that people were being asked to bow/curtsey. If he didn't mind then why should anyone else? As we have discussed in the protocol thread, the Royal Family's website says that bowing and curtseying are optional when meeting any member of the Royal Family (the Queen included).

The Duke of Kent, his wife and his mother have been longstanding and loyal patrons of Wimbledon. I don't think he should give up his position until he wants to - and hopefully not for many more years to come.
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Sorry but there was something ridiculous about citizens of foreign countries bowing to a box. The US fought a war to rid themselves of the British monarchy; other countries, while they may not have made quite such a spectacular statement, also chose not to have the British Monarch as their head of state. IMO it's rude to require citizens of countries who have no allegiance to the British crown to bow or curtsey to its representatives.

IMO the Duke of Kent was correct and, after all, it was to him and his family that people were being asked to bow/curtsey. If he didn't mind then why should anyone else? As we have discussed in the protocol thread, the Royal Family's website says that bowing and curtseying are optional when meeting any member of the Royal Family (the Queen included).

The Duke of Kent, his wife and his mother have been longstanding and loyal patrons of Wimbledon. I don't think he should give up his position until he wants to - and hopefully not for many more years to come.
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It is definitely not her fault, I agree. But surely there is a way she could watch without out shining the players. What was on the cover of the newspapers on Thursday? Murray making it to the semi final? Nope Catherine's facial expressions.

Also, we have a men's doubles finalist who plays on Centre Court today.

The last time a British man won Wimbledon was Fred Perry in 1936. The last time we had a British finalist was 1938 with Bunny Austin. Fred Perry and Bunny Austin were English, a point I think should be highlighted as I saw more Scottish flags than Union ones on the news this morning.
Slightly off topic, but Marray (not Murray) just won men's double - first time a Brit hasdone so since 1936. Congratulations!

Marray's done it - now for Murray! Yorkshireman storms doubles to become first Briton to win Wimbledon men's doubles title since 1936
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Andy Murray was not the only one to make history on Saturday, as compatriot Jonny Marray became the first Briton to win a men's doubles title at Wimbledon since 1936. Marray and playing partner Freddie Nielsen needed a wild card to get into the tournament but followed up their victory over defending champions Bob and Mike Bryan in the semi-finals by beating fifth seeds Robert Lindstedt and Horia Tecau 4-6 6-4 7-6 (7/5) 6-7 (7/5) 6-3 in the final.
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But when the webpage of the British Monarchy says that there is no requirement for anyone to now/curtesy, it's hardly a case of when in Rome.
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I didn't intend for my musings to trigger so much comment, I didn't realize that the Duke of Kent's position at the tournament was a part of his Royal duties, ie: he is representing the Queen and in that capacity he presents the trophy. I sometimes forget how formal these things are, although I do occasionally read the precedent thread w/ interest.
I seriously doubt that Catherine has any interest in displacing or stealing attention from anyone in her husband's family, she seems, judging by the long courtship, to be a patient woman not prone to impulsive or rash actions.
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That's the whole basis of these forums and what keeps it going, to trigger comments and lively discussions, so there's nothing wrong with your musings! I would have never found out that the Duke of Kent eliminated the practice of bowing/curtseying at Wimbledon if he wasn't brought into the discussion, so you learn something new every day when a topic comes up.
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I have to agree Baroness. I learn so much on these forums its mindboggling. I think everyone is entitled to say what they have to say, in a curteous way of course, and if it brings lively conversation, so be it. As long as we are not rude then carry on. And good show for Murray. :)
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I'd like to note that Richard stresses that the Duchess' attendance is not listed in the court circular therefore it will be a "private visit"


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It isn't in the Court Circular because the Court Circular is only ever published AFTER events. If Richard Palmer is claiming that she isn't listed in the CC for an event yet to happen he isn't such a knowledgeable royal commentator as people think. You only have to go to the monarchy webpage to see the difference between the CC and the Future Engagements.

They do publish a 'future engagements' list but this isn't definitive - and sometimes events listed here are incomplete.

The only royal visitors this year which have been there officially have been Charles, Camilla and the Duke of Kent. No other royal visitor as been mentioned in the CC and so no other royals have been there except as a relaxing day at the tennis.
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BTW anyone else noticed that Kate has gained some weight atleast in her face. It looks healthier and better in my opinion.
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