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Old 07-01-2012, 11:56 AM
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Well, what can you do?
There is nothing anyone can do!
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:05 PM
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The Duchess raises money for charity in her own way. As a Patron, she meets with representatives of the various organisations and meets those affected. Because of her high public profile, she can draw attention to issues that need our attention. That's the whole point of having a royal patron, the unique position can be used for good. But I'm not sure why spending a night on the streets would make her any more keen on helping a homeless charity, surely she's doing that already? If she had to prove her interest for every cause, the poor girl would never have a day to herself.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:28 PM
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Well, what can you do?
There is nothing anyone can do!

It's not a question of making excuses; it's a grim fact of life on the streets.

So many people think if you can get the homeless into housing and get them jobs, the problem will be solved.
BUT- they can't hold jobs. Many can't even function at all; they are hardcore addicts and/or mentally ill.

It's against the law to institutionalize anyone against his will, or to force them to take medication.

Locally we have people who go out in vans on cold nights to try to persuade the homeless to go to shelters. Mostly they refuse, and they can't be forced.
So then what?
Yes, there are those who don't want to come back into society in exchnage for a warm place to sleep. But there are others who due to circumstances have lost their home, their work, don't have family and simply cannot afford to stay in rented accomodation and prefer to sleep "rough" as long as they can in the hope that they get another chance tomorrow because going to shelters mean in a way accept life on the street, at the bottom of society, they get registered and regulated etc., somnething you need time to accept.

Especially in times of recession, lots of people loose their home, people who never knew how homeless people live and have no idea to inquiry where they can find help for fear to be marked fro life. (I read in a book taking place in the Uk that it is impossible to remove certain information from your social services papers, even after you got out of trouble and no longer need help. Not sure if this is true, but go figure! )

So when Catherine goes sleeping rough in order to help Centerpoint getting more attention, she does two things: highlight the fact that there is Centerpoint at all and that's an acceptable way to look for help. But much more important is highlighting that sleeping rough as a woman is different than doing it as a man. Sure she'll be protected, but I guess her protection officer will only intervene if something threatens to happen actively, not clearing the place in advance and cordon it off with the help of police collegues. It will be an important experience for Catherine and I wonder if she will sleep at all for feeling insecure and threatened at night, outside, on a pavement in London. I'm sure it will be an experience that gives her an insight into the fact that poor women are at the bottom of it all.

And that might change her whole view on life and on her duty to help. IMHO, of course.
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Old 07-01-2012, 12:45 PM
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I think royals have very specific roles they can play, and very specific things they can do when it comes to charities and social issues. What people like William and Catherine have to offer that's unique is the level of public attention that's focused on them no matter what they're doing. People pay attention to them when they go to the movies or take their dog for a walk. When they become involved with a charity or social group then some of that public attention gets diverted to the cause. William and Kate both seem like sensible people - I doubt they'd take any offence at the notion that the main thing they bring to the table for these organizations is publicity. Publicity is not a dirty word!

In other ways I think they're much more limited than most of us in terms of how involved they can get with any particular organization or issue. Royalty is a great job for generalists but I imagine it would be frustrating for someone whose interest or passion was more focused on one particular issue.
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:45 PM
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Yes, there are those who don't want to come back into society in exchnage for a warm place to sleep. But there are others who due to circumstances have lost their home, their work, don't have family and simply cannot afford to stay in rented accomodation and prefer to sleep "rough" as long as they can in the hope that they get another chance tomorrow because going to shelters mean in a way accept life on the street, at the bottom of society, they get registered and regulated etc., somnething you need time to accept.

Especially in times of recession, lots of people loose their home, people who never knew how homeless people live and have no idea to inquiry where they can find help for fear to be marked fro life. (I read in a book taking place in the Uk that it is impossible to remove certain information from your social services papers, even after you got out of trouble and no longer need help. Not sure if this is true, but go figure! )

So when Catherine goes sleeping rough in order to help Centerpoint getting more attention, she does two things: highlight the fact that there is Centerpoint at all and that's an acceptable way to look for help. But much more important is highlighting that sleeping rough as a woman is different than doing it as a man. Sure she'll be protected, but I guess her protection officer will only intervene if something threatens to happen actively, not clearing the place in advance and cordon it off with the help of police collegues. It will be an important experience for Catherine and I wonder if she will sleep at all for feeling insecure and threatened at night, outside, on a pavement in London. I'm sure it will be an experience that gives her an insight into the fact that poor women are at the bottom of it all.

And that might change her whole view on life and on her duty to help. IMHO, of course.

On top of that, there is more of a chance of being knifed in a shelter than on the street. It is just a fact and those who have been homeless for a while know it. That is a greater incentive to stay on the street.

I don't know if it is still a policy in New York or if something is similar in effect in the UK but there are sometime limits to stays in shelters. It was about 3 months in the 1990s. And yet you were arrested for sleeping in public parks... giving you an unnecessary criminal record. Again, I don't know if something similar is in effect in the larger cities in Britain.

What bothers me is that being homeless is not merely sleeping in the cold at night. It is hunger with pain. It is not being able to have a warm shower and clean clothes on your body. You get physically sick and your self-esteem is close to zero. It is an experience that can not be fully understood by one night on the street for Catherine and William (even without protection). And that is just from working with a homeless charity for a few months. I can't imagine what those who did speak with me didn't tell me.

Hopefully Catherine and her office can think of a much more useful way of tackling the problem of homelessness, especially for children, families, and the elderly.
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Old 07-01-2012, 07:38 PM
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We all need to be more realistic in terms of what royals can and should do for charities they become involved with. Lots of people say, the royals should pick a charity and actually work for them 9-5, get qualifications, become an expert and dedicate their lives to that issue. This is just not realistic. The royals have the power to shine the light of publicity on people and organisations who do wonderful things tackling a whole range of social problems. They have what Prince Charles calls 'convening power'. Any of the senior royals can get the movers and shakers in almost any arena into one room to try and make things happen. They can see the relevant government minister, or the PM, or high-ranking civil servants anytime they want.

It would be sad if the royals only used that power in one particular area. Would Kate make more of a difference working in an office job stuffing envelopes for EACH, or by bringing the world's press to their hospice, wearing their campaign bracelet and telling the world about the wonderful work they do? I think the answer is obvious. On top of that, it gives Kate the opportunity to offer the same benefits to lots of other charities and campaigns.

Surveys have shown that those charities who have a royal patron are more well thought of by the public than those who don't. The royal connection gives them a certain cache, and suggests that they're trustworthy and capable. That's why the royals spread their patronage around.

I don't think William and Kate went on a 'poverty tour' when they were in LA last year. They attended a swanky party at the British consulate and a black-tie Holywood dinner with lots of famous people to try and boost the careers of up and coming British talent. The events with the US military and the charity introducing kids from tough backgrounds to art were entirely in keeping with the themes that Will and Kate have focused on here in the UK. Harry has also undertaken public duties in the US which concentrated on veterans and their welfare. To me, there was absolutely nothing to the LA visit that anyone could find fault with.
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:32 PM
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Well now that we have all said what we have had to say regarding the Duchess sleeping in the streets it turns out it was just a rumor? So we now know she will not be doing this according to the palace? Well at least it was quite a lively conversation. :)
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:44 PM
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Old 07-02-2012, 05:21 PM
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Are they serious? Im sorry but I find that insulting and in very bad taste. What is the reason for this mocking? What has the BRF done to China that warrants this offense? Or is it that whoever did this is just an idiot and has no class whatsoever?
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:09 PM
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The Chinese city got exactly what it was looking for - publicity. Had they produced a standard tourism advert with some government official encouraging foreigners to visit their city does anyone think it would've made it onto the most visited newspaper site in the world?
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Old 07-03-2012, 01:13 PM
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:10 PM
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This is a riot - along the lines of Monty Python, wouldn't you say? There is some cutting-close-to-the-chase dialog. The actors are doing a great job - I assume the guy playing William has cotton balls stuffed into his cheeks. The actress playing Kate has her mannerisms down to her even doing her signature 'fiddling with her hair'.

Since when do advertisements have to be 'relevant' to what is being advertised? At least in the US it's become very disconnected - cave men and car insurance? Funny as all heck, though - as is this. Want a cab? Even the BRF uses Panda Cabs and gets to the Jubilee on time, no less. Ha!
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:26 PM
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Calling those impersonators 'actors' would be like calling me a brain surgeon. None of them look or sound anything like the people they're meant to be impersonating. Plus, it's just not funny. Maybe comedy isn't something at which the Chinese excel?
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I agree EIIR. Not funny and definitely in bad taste. And no, I dont think the people involved know anything about comedy.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:50 PM
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Calling those impersonators 'actors' would be like calling me a brain surgeon. None of them look or sound anything like the people they're meant to be impersonating. Plus, it's just not funny. Maybe comedy isn't something at which the Chinese excel?
I suspect this was not written by a Chinese person.

Is no one here a Monty Python fan?
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Old 07-03-2012, 03:09 PM
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Is no one here a Monty Python fan?
I'm a huge Monty Python fan, but I didn't really see similarities.
This said, I did find this spoof somewhat amusing and not at all offensive.

However, I'm not British and it wasn't my royal family that was mocked.
Can't say how I would react if it were about Armenian President, although I'd probably be glad someone managed to find Armenia on the globe.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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Monty Python was before my time, but I do know they had such an impact on comedy worldwide that they're regarded as 'The Beatles' of comedy. They created some of the funniest comedy sketches of all time.

This advert doesn't make me think of Monty Python any more than Justin Bieber makes me think of Mozart.
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Old 07-03-2012, 04:17 PM
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Monty Python was before my time [...] This advert doesn't make me think of Monty Python any more than Justin Bieber makes me think of Mozart.
:???: Can't have it both ways - either they were before your time and you don't know them - or you know them and this doesn't remind you of them. Which? They can't "not" remind you of someone you have never seen.

In fact - this is tame by Monty Python standards. They were pretty rude. I was never a fan of Monty Python - like many things one can't help being exposed - and from what I have seen over the years this definitely has their sensibility. I guess it's okay to skewer your own but dast those 'outsiders' who would do so?

What's surprising about it is the edgy reality with the back-and-forth between William and Kate. (And the Panda Eyes - Panda Cab - oh la! definitely a Kate send-up). The Queen, I admit, except for the hat, doesn't come close to being 'like her'. It's William and Kate that are being lampooned - which is why I think it's unlikely to have been someone Chinese who wrote this ad. Someone who has a pretty close understanding of the situation must have.
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:???: Can't have it both ways - either they were before your time and you don't know them - or you know them and this doesn't remind you of them. Which? They can't "not" remind you of someone you have never seen.
Monty Python was before my time, I never watched it when it came out but I sure as dammit know what Monty Python is and their style. I'm sure the same goes for EIIR.
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Exactly, Lumutqueen. I wasn't born when the Pythons were taking comedy by storm in the late '60s/early '70s. Some of their stuff is repeated on BBC from time to time, and I've seen a bit of Life of Brian. I'm a big football fan and when a team are really slaughtering the opposition their fans sing 'Always Look on the Bright Side of Life' to the opposition fans. I didn't realise until about 5 years ago where that song is from.

I've seen very little Monty Python but I'm not entirely culturally illiterate. I've heard of them and have some idea of what they did.
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