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Old 01-09-2006, 08:13 PM
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Exactly. I have never heard of Chelsy going off and hunting endangered animals...?? :) :)
That we know of
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Old 01-09-2006, 08:17 PM
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I suspect that what might happen is somewhat similar to what happened with Philip's sisters after WWII.

They weren't allowed to attend the wedding but did attend the coronation. They were being punished for being married to men who had served in the Germany military during the war (notice I did not say they were Nazis).


I think she might not be allowed to have her father at the wedding and be encouraged not to have him have a large profile in her life but other than that nothing much will happen. Sure not having her father at the wedding would be terrible but I just can't see the British government allowing him to have such a prominent role on the world stage even for a day.
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But to distance herself from her family? I wouldn't be able to do it.
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Old 01-09-2006, 11:58 PM
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Old 01-10-2006, 12:08 AM
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They weren't allowed to attend the wedding but did attend the coronation. They were being punished for being married to men who had served in the Germany military during the war (notice I did not say they were Nazis).

Some of them, like Christopher of Hesse, did join the Gestapo.
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:10 AM
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Some of them, like Christopher of Hesse, did join the Gestapo.
Prince Christopher of Hesse was a colonel of the SS on Himmler's personal staff.
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:38 AM
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Some of them, like Christopher of Hesse, did join the Gestapo.
Of Philip's three sisters Christopher was the only one who did join anything like this and he was dead by the time of the wedding.

The other brothers-in-law only served in the army not in groups such as the Gestapo. In other words they fought for their country not necessarily for Hitler.

My point was that because they had fought for Germany neither the husbands nor their wives (Philip's sisters) could attend his wedding three years after the war.

I was relating that to Chelsy's dad and suggesting that just as they were prevented from attending their brother's wedding because of the situation in the war he would be prevented from attending his daughter's wedding, if she married Harry, in order to show that past (and in his case present) associations can't be supported at the time of the wedding in question.
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:40 AM
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I've read several articles about her hunting, one of which refered to Harry accompanying her.
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Old 01-10-2006, 06:38 PM
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I've read several articles about her hunting, one of which refered to Harry accompanying her.
Could you post links, or maybe article locations. I've never heard of her hunting...at least not with Harry...

I'm not saying it would surprise me that she did, considering her fathers business.

On another note along those same lines-if people consider her father and Chelsy bad because of hunting-and hope for a boycotted marriage for that reason-they shouldn't hold their breath. Most people in the UK still support hunting (from my understanding) as does the British Royal Family.
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:25 PM
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Could you post links, or maybe article locations. I've never heard of her hunting...at least not with Harry...

I'm not saying it would surprise me that she did, considering her fathers business.

On another note along those same lines-if people consider her father and Chelsy bad because of hunting-and hope for a boycotted marriage for that reason-they shouldn't hold their breath. Most people in the UK still support hunting (from my understanding) as does the British Royal Family.

It's not the hunting that's the problem.

It is the association with Mugabe and the Zimbabwean Government. Chelsy's father seems to be supporting the policies of this government, which many countires and many people think are among the worst examples of ignoring human rights out there.

The hunting is his job but in order for a white man to be doing the things he is doing in Zimbabwe means he is close to the government.


It wouldn't matter what job he was doing - it is the association with Mugabe.
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Old 01-10-2006, 08:36 PM
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I understood that the argument from a political standpoint was the Mugabi alliance... other on the forum had stated the hunting thing as well-which was why I brought it up.
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Your English is fine Mariita. :)
Everyone has their preferences, so could you tell us why you don't really like Chelsy?
Warren I think she is unpleasant, she always looks serius

I think Kate is more cute!
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Old 01-10-2006, 09:41 PM
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I think hunting might be of issue. Mr. Davy's little hunting grounds are exactly swarming with little ducks and foxes. You can shoot wildlife that even might be endangered I believe. Anyway, paying somebody $30,000 so I can shoot an elephant or something is just wrong.
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Old 01-10-2006, 09:52 PM
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I think hunting might be of issue. Mr. Davy's little hunting grounds are exactly swarming with little ducks and foxes. You can shoot wildlife that even might be endangered I believe. Anyway, paying somebody $30,000 so I can shoot an elephant or something is just wrong.

His job isn't as important in the political scheme of things as his association with a man with the human rights record of Mugabe.


As a white man, to be successful in Zimbabwe, at the moment means doing things to suit Mugabe at a high level - what that might be I can only guess.

The hunting itself is not an issue, even though to many of us that is obscene but to the people's of many of these countries the money is important. Remember that hunting is legal in many countries, including Britain (they have banned hunting with dogs but not banned hunting per se) and the RF hunts every year at Balmoral and shoots at Sandringham.

The refusal of the government to have a legitimate opposition in existence, killing people for no apparent reason, both white and black etc are of concern to politicians and Davy senior's association with the government that does that is what makes Chelsy a controversial girlfriend to Harry.
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:41 PM
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Of course Chelsy's father's connections with Mugabe are much more important and controversial than the hunting issue. But it doesn't really help him or Chelsy! I'm not a fan of Chelsy's per se, but I feel bad for the girl. I'm sure she loves her father and everything, but if it's your own family getting in the way of "marital bliss," I'm sure there's some resentment.
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Old 01-11-2006, 08:53 AM
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Perhaps what keeps Harry and Chelsy together is that understanding about family connection and how the public prejudges him based on that family connection. As a member of RF, there will always be people trying to gain access to him and profit from that access. Harry strikes me as less guarded than William, but it must be in the back of his mind. In the press, Harry has been cast as the wild "spare" to the angelic heir. His partying and run-in with photographers gave the public further evidence of that impression. He gave a couple scripted interviews which helped for awhile until the next incident.

As for Chelsy, even less is known besides "accroding to friends" sort of news. Most children wouldn't be aware of everyone their parents work with, but all the press about her father's business associates can't be lost on her. Most of the chatter about her unsuitability, even as Harry's girlfriend, goes back to her father's association. Mr Davy could very well be sympathetic or even supportive of Mugabe. However, as far as I can find, there has been no reports of Mr. Davy actually participating in the campaign against white farmers or dissidents instigated by the Mugabe regime. He is condemned as guilty for the regime's repression by association and Chelsy is guilty by blood connection.
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I don't believe hunting is that much of a issue since the royals are known to hunt, even if it is for a different prey.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:18 PM
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He can't marry her and they both know that. Eventually, the relationship will have to end.
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Old 01-12-2006, 10:40 PM
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I suppose he could marry her if he gave up his position in the line of succession and any claim on public funding, like they were going to make Princess Margaret do if she married Peter Townsend, but I think it'd be very unpopular. People aren't going to look at this affair as romantically as they did at Margaret's; it just looks like a couple of privileged young idiots who don't know what their limits are.
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I don't think he really realizes that he won't be able to marry her. It just doesn't seem like a Harryesque thing to know.
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